de Chaworth of Kempsford, Gloucs. and les Seigneurs de Mondoubleau
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Dear Linda, Paul, Douglas, Rosie, Chris, Cris, Kay, et al.,
The ancestry of Sir Patrick de Chaworth of Kempsford, co. Gloucs. & c.
(d. bef 7 July 1283) includes his paternal gg grandfather Payn or Pain 'de
Mundubleil', successor to his father Patrick de Chaworth before 1155 [1].
As to this Patrick de Chaworth and his son Payn, Sanders cited:
' Ancient Charters, P.R. Soc. x, pp. 56-57. Patrick II m.
Wilburga, da. of Pain de Mundubleil, and his son used his
mother's surname (Dunstable Cartulary, B.H.R.S. x, pp. 304-6.' [2]
The following provides a extended (not complete) AT for Sir Patrick de
Chaworth, including the seigneurs de Mondoubleau and Freteval. The
connections
to these seignorial families of Maine should come as no surprise, given the
Chaworth origins in the same comte. These connections impact the ancestry of
many individuals, including Queen Elizabeth II, most of the royalty of
Europe,
and many others (colonial emigrants and not), given the marriage of Sir
Patrick's daughter and heiress Maud to Henry, Earl of Lancaster (d. 1345).
Any and all additional documentation, comment and criticism is welcome as
always.
Cheers,
John *
NOTES
[1] "English Baronies: A Study of Their Origin and Descent, 1086-1327,"
I. J. Sanders, Oxford: Clarendon Press, 1960, p. 125.
[2] Ibid., p. 125, note (2).
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1 Sir Patrick de Chaworth.[1] Sir Patrick died bef 7 Jul 1283.[1]
of Kempsford, co. Gloucester, Kidwelly, Carmarthenshire and Steeple
Lavington, co. Wilts.
'Patrick de Chawars holds half knights fee in Stepullavynton in chief, which
Henry of Lancaster now holds of the inheritance of his wife, Patricks heir.
c. 1315 ' [10]
Sir Patrick married Isabel de Beauchamp (she m. 2ndly Hugh le Despenser)
2 Patrick de Chaworth.[1] Patrick died in 1258.[1],[2]
of Kempsford, co. Gloucester and Steeple Lavington, co. Wilts.
'Patrick de Charwurtes holds a carucate of land in Lavynton of the heirs of
William Bruere, who hold in chief for an unknown service [1242-3 Bk of
Fees, ii 742] ' [10]
Patrick married Hawise de London[1].
3 Hawise de London.[1]
first wife; heiress of Kidwelly, Carmarthenshire
'Patricius de Chaurc et Hawis[a] ux[or] ejus', fined 100 marks for seisin
in the lands of Kidwelly 'which the same Hawise claimed as her inheritance',
19 Dec 1243 [Excerpta I:410] [3]
4 Payn de Chaworth. Payn died in 1237.[2]
of Kempsford, co. Gloucester
Payn married Gundrada de la Ferte.
5 Gundrada de la Ferte.
heiress of her mother
her inheritance included 2 knights' fees in Costock, co. Notts.
(Sanders p. 123 n6)[2]
6 Thomas de London. Thomas died bef 19 Dec 1243.[3]
of Kidwelly, Carmarthenshire
Thomas married Eve.
7 Eve.
she m. lstly Oliver de Tracy,
2ndly Thomas de Londres (London)
8 Patrick de Chaworth. Patrick died ca 1199.[2]
of Kempsford, co. Gloucester
10 William de la Ferte. William died in 1216.[2]
William married Margery de Briwere.
11 Margery de Briwere. Margery died aft 1232.[2]
5th daughter, and coheiress of her brother William de Briwere
she m. lstly William de la Ferte,
2ndly Eudo de Dammartin,
3rdly Geoffrey de Say
16 Payn de Mondoubleau. Payn died in 1170.[2]
of Kempsford, co. Gloucester
he assumed his mother's surname (was named for his maternal grandfather)
concerning his English lands,
'He appears to have lost control of his lands some time between
March 1166 and Mich. 1167, but to have regained possession
of them by 1168' (Sanders p. 125) [2]
20 Mathew de la Ferte.
said to be descended from sister of Odo, Bishop of Bayeux
Mathew married Gundreda Paynel.
21 Gundreda Paynel.
22 Sir William de Briwere. Sir William died in 1226.[1]
of Horsley, co. Derby
had the wardship of his grandson Reynold de Mohun, 1222
received the manor of Horsley, co. Derby in 1204 exchanged for
Litchurch, co. Derby by Peter de Sandiacre (Sanders p. 122-3)
received the manor of Bridgewater, Somerset in 1199
'as part of an exchange, a grant which was confirmed by the Crown and by
Fulk [Pagnell]'s son William.'
held the manor of Bridgwater, Somerset: charter for a market granted by
King John on 26 June 1200,
'... to William Briwerr. Day of the market not given (RCh, p. 73a).
On 22 Aug 1221, K Hen III granted William Briwer that he could change
his Thurs market to a Mon market (RLC, i, p. 469).'
Sir William married Beatrice de Vaux[4].
23 Beatrice de Vaux.[4]
32 Patrick de Chaworth. Patrick died bef 1155.[5],[2]
of Kempsford, co. Gloucester
styled 'Patrick II' [2]
Patrick married Guiburge de Mondoubleau[6],[7].
33 Guiburge de Mondoubleau.[6],[7]
called 'Wilburga, da. of Pain de Mundubleil' (Sanders p. 125 note 2,
citing Dunstable Cartulary, B.H.R.S. x, 304-6) [2]
she evidently m. 1stly Patrick de Chaworth,
2ndly Barthelemy de Bouchet [6], [7]
42 Fulk de Paynel. Fulk died ca 1165.[2]
of Bampton, Devon (de jure uxoris) [2]
Fulk married Juliana de Douai.
43 Juliana de Douai.
46 Hubert de Vaux, lord of Gilsland.. Hubert died ca 1165.[4]
of Gilsland, Cumberland
had grant of the barony of Irthington, Cumbs. ca. 1156 (DD, p. 756) [5]
witness to charters of Maud fitzEmpress and Henry II; had charter of
Gilsland of Henry II, 1158 [4]
Hubert married Grecia[4].
47 Grecia.[4]
64 Patrick de Chaworth.[4] Patrick died aft 1132.[5]
of Kempsford, co. Gloucester (de jure uxoris)
made gifts to St. Peter's, Gloucester, 1096 (Sanders, p. 125) [2]
Patrick married Maud de Hesdin[4].
65 Maud de Hesdin.[4]
66 Hildebert Payen de Mondoubleau, seigneur de Mondoubleau. Hildebert died
ca 1110.[8]
seigneur de Mondoubleau, ca. 1075 - 1110
granted the church of St. Hilaire la Gravelle to the Abbey of
Marmoutier, 1105 [8]
Hildebert Payen married NN.
67 NN.
84 William de Paynel. William died bef 1148.[2]
William married NN.
85 NN.
86 Robert de Douai. Robert died in 1136.[2]
of Bampton, Devon [2]
130 Arnulf of Hesdin. Arnulf died aft 1091.[2]
of Keevil, co. Wilts. and Kempsford, co. Gloucester
tenant in cos. Wilts. and Gloucs. at Domesday Book, 1086 [2]
132 Payen de Freteval. Payen died in 1044 in siege of Freteval.[9]
lst husband of Helvise
slain in battle against Geoffrey Martel, count of Anjou [8]
Payen married Helvise de Mondoubleau.
133 Helvise de Mondoubleau.
heiress of Mondoubleau
she m. lstly Payen de Freteval;
2ndly Hamelin II de Langeais [8]
168 Ralph de Paynel. Ralph died bef 1125.[2]
Ralph married Maud de Surdeval.
169 Maud de Surdeval.
172 Walter de Douai. Walter died in 1107.[2]
Walter married NN.
173 NN.
264 Nivelon I de Freteval, seigneur de Freteval et de Meslay. Nivelon died
ca 1059.[9]
Nivelon I married Ermentrude[9].
265 Ermentrude.[9]
266 Eudes Doubleau I de Mondoubleau, seigneur de Mondoubleau. Eudes died
ca 1056.[8]
Eudes Doubleau I married Plaisante de Montoire.
267 Plaisante de Montoire, heiress of the seigneurie de Montoire [8].
338 Richard de Surdeval.
532 Hugues Doubleau de Mondoubleau, seigneur de Mondoubleau. Hugues died
bef 1017.[8]
534 Nihard de Montoire, seigneur de Montoire.[8] Nihard died in 1059.[7]
1. "The Magna Carta Sureties, 1215," Frederick L. Weis, Th. D., Gen Pub Co.,
Baltimore, MD, 5th ed., 1997 (W. L. Sheppard Jr & David Faris).
2. "English Baronies: A Study of Their Origin and Descent, 1086-1327," I. J.
Sanders, Oxford: Clarendon Press, 1960.
3. "Excerpta ex Rotulis Finium," Charles Roberts, The Commissioners of the
Public Records of the Kingdom, Vol I (1216-1246), 1835, full title:
Excerpta e Rotulis Finium in Turri Londinensi asservatis, Henrico Tertio
Rege, A.D. 1216-1272.
4. "The Complete Peerage," G. E. Cokayne, 1910 -
The Complete Peerage of England Scotland Ireland Great Britain and the
United Kingdom.
5. "Domesday Descendants," K. S. B. Keats-Rohan, The Boydell Press,
Woodbridge,
2002.
6. FranceBalade, "Les Seigneurs du Haut Vendomois,"
www.francebalade.com/vendome/sgrvendom1.htm
7. FranceBalade, "Les Seigneurs du Bas Vendomois,"
www.francebalade.com/vendome/sgrvendom2.htm
8. FranceBalade, "Les Seigneurs de Mondoubleau,"
www.francebalade.com/vendome/sgrmondoub.htm
9. FranceBalade, "Les Seigneurs de Freteval,"
www.francebalade.com/vendome/sgrfreteval.htm
10. Rosie Bevan, "Clemence de Verdun and Steeple Lavington", SGM, Nov 20,
2001.
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* John P. Ravilious
Cristopher Nash
called Pain de Chaworth -- I'd just been blindsided by the toponymic
you've accurately lent him, viz. de Mondoubleau. I've really gotta
keep stumm till I can think straight!
Cris
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The...@aol.com
Dear Cris,
Thanks for the good post, Cris.
Right you are re: Patrick de Chaworth (#32 in the AT) and his wife
Guiberge/Wilberga (#33) being the parents of Pain/Payn who d. 1170. In the
format used, they are the parents of #16 above, which taken from the original
post reads as follows:
"16 Payn de Mondoubleau. Payn died in 1170.[2]
of Kempsford, co. Gloucester
he assumed his mother's surname (was named for his maternal grandfather)
concerning his English lands,
'He appears to have lost control of his lands some time between
March 1166 and Mich. 1167, but to have regained possession
of them by 1168' (Sanders p. 125) [2] "
Sorry for any Confucian. If you should have any other questions, just
Sinkiang I will get Bactria shortly.
Cheers,
John
Phil Moody
I appear to have missed your original post which Chris commented on; so
I am curious where you initially posted the thread? I have not set my
newsgroups back up since switching to my Office XP Outlook; so was it on
sgm by chance?
Cheers,
Phil
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From: The...@aol.com [mailto:The...@aol.com]
Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2003 1:18 PM
To: GEN-MED...@rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: de Chaworth of Kempsford, Gloucs. and les Seigneurs de
Mondoubleau
Sunday, 25 May, 2003
Cristopher Nash
Pagnell/Paynel, I'm wondering whether anyone here has made further
progress in sorting out relationships among the numerous more-or-less
contemporaneous appearances of individuals bearing this name about
which I raised queries under <Paynel/FitzAnsculf> last year? I'm
thinking in particular of
Fulk->Ralph->Hawise who m. John de Somery of Dudley
Fulk->Gundred who m. Matthew de la Ferte
Fulk->Agnes (Bainard?) who m. Robert II de Brus
Fulk who m. Beatrice da. of William FitzAnsculf
Thanks!
Cris
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