Rockley or Rokeley family
mj...@btinternet.com
published material on them is also a bit of a mess.
The Visitation of Yorkshire 1563-1564 has an outline pedigree which
runs thus:
1. Henry Rockley
2. Robert Rockley married Cecily
3. Robert Rockley married Elizabeth
4. Sir Robert Rockley married Elizabeth, daughter of Sir William
Fitzwilliam of Sprotborough by the daughter and coheir of Ralph, Lord
Cromwell
5. Robert Rockley
6. Sir Robert or Roger Rockley
Roskell et al (History of Parliament 1386-1422, vol 4) add further
details about Sir Robert Rokeley, MP. They say he was born about
1340, son of Robert Rokeley (d 1340) by Cecily Oxspring. He is given
Elizabeth Fitzwilliam as a first wife (and they are said to have had
three sons: Thomas, pardoned with his father in 1393; Robert, the
eventual heir, and John, died 1419) and Alice Sheffield as a second,
and is said to have died about 1415.
HoP alleges that Hunter inserted an additional generation - at (3)
above, but it seems to me that it is HoP that is likely in error here.
(a) they dismiss the statement that Thomas Sheffield (ff 1402) was Sir
Robert Rokeley's grandfather, and decide he must have been father-in-
law instead. If Sir Robert was the son of the man born c1340, there
is no chronological objection to his having an elderly maternal
grandfather as late as 1402 - cf Elizabeth Fitzwilliam, whose maternal
grandmother (Maud Bernake) survived until 1419.
(b) it is chronologically impossible for Elizabeth Fitzwilliam to fit
into the place HoP gives her in their deconstruction of the Rokeley
pedigree. Her grandmother Maud Bernake (Lady Cromwell) was born circa
1337, which makes it unlikely that she would marry a man born circa
1340; her earliest birth date must be circa 1363 - although 1370 is
more likely (her oldest surviving brother was born in 1377)..
(c) it seems Sir Robert survived past 1415, for he appears as one of
the witnesses to a deed dated 3 May 1422 (WWM/D/84, Wentworth
Woodehouse Muniments); another document from these archives (WWM/D/74)
shows he was knighted by 10 April 1390, when he witnessed an earlier
deed. Robert Rokeley, junior, is named in a deed of 7 May 1416 (WWM/D/
80).
It seems to me that the Visitation pedigree is correct in the number
of generations it gives, and that Sir Robert Rokeley, MP, was likely
the grandson rather than son of the Robert who died in 1341.
A descent from the Rokelys may be found in the pedigree of the Drax
[Drakes] family, also in the Visitation; Robert Drax married Eleanor,
the daughter of Robert Rokeley - presumably Robert Rokeley, jumior,
the son of Sir Robert.
MA-R
John P. Ravilious
Dear Michael,
Thanks for bringing up those problems relating to the Rockley
pedigree. Based on what you have at present, and minus those things
we do not have to hand (direct evidence as to several relationships
being the greatest), I agree that Hunter is more likely correct that
the HoP account.
The following is my poorly documented pedigree of Rockley as I
have it at present, down to the marriage of Eleanor Rockley and Robert
Drax. The one thing of substance this may add is the connection
(courtesy of Alfred S. Ellis) provided by the marriage of Henry de
Rockley and Constance, daughter of Richard le Tyes and Alice de
Tankersley. By virtue of this connection, the Rockleys have an early
collateral relationship with the Wentworths, and descents from the
Elands, Thornhills, and Adam fitz Swain (via Nevill of Mirfield and
Redburne, and by my conjecture also via Thornhill). This may provide
some weak additional chronological basis for further research on the
Rockleys.
Cheers,
John *
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1 Richard le Tyes
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Death: bef 2 Jan 1328[1]
Father: Richard le Tyes (->1278)
Mother: Ellen de Neville
of Farnley Tyas, co. York
' Richard le Tyays ', witness together with Hugh de Eland
and others, to Feoffment dated 12 Dec 1284 :
' Between John le Carleton, of the one part, and Elias de
Midehope, of the other part; of all his Manor of Pengeshale,
with appurts. in Langsett, Swyndone and Billeclif, at a rent
of 1d. to the grantor, and 100s to the Abbot and Convent of
Kyrksteade in Lindesaye.
Witnesses: Franco le Tyays, Nicholas de Wortelay,
Hugh de Elaunde, Richard le Tyays, Matthew de Ospring,
Thomas de Irelaunde, Bailiff of Stafford, and others.'
[Seal: brown wax, on tag, sewn in bag. Endorsed: Penisalle.
Kareleton. 194. 13.] - A2A, West Yorkshire Archive Service,
Bradford: Spencer-Stanhope Manuscripts [SpSt/1 - SpSt/4],
SpSt/4/11/95/3[2]
' Richrd Tyeys', witness (together with Thomas de Foljambe,
Simon de Kyme, Thomas de Savile and others) in the IPM of
Richard Foliot and Jordan Foliot, ' made at York, 23 June,
27 Edward (1299), before Mr. Richard de Haveringg',
Escheator,..'
[Yorks. Inqs. III:102-3][3]
presented John de Lekes to the living of Tankersley,
together with Hugh de Eland, on or before 17 Feb. 1289/90:
' John de Lekes instituted 13 kal. Mar. 1290, and 16 kal.
April 1291, on the presentation of Richard Tyas and Hugh
Eland. ' [Hunter, South Yorkshire II:303][4]
presented Richard le Tyas (possibly his son) to the living
on or before 24 Apr 1312:
' R. le Tyas, acolitus, 8 kal. May 1312, on the
presentation of Richard Tyas and Alice his wife.
Died here. ' [Hunter, South Yorkshire II:303-4][4]
' Fines, A'o 10 & 12 E. 2 [1317 & 1319] .
H. 35 [vol. 129]. Between John de Wintworth & Jone his
wife comp't & Richard Tyars & Alice his wife deforciant of
one Mess'e 30 Acres of Land 3 acres of meadow with the
Appurtnances in Green in Balne. If John & Jone died
without issue, remaind'r to the right heires of Alice. '
[Holmes, YAJ X:351[5], cites ' Mr Gascoigne's Notes.']
cf. Vis. Yorkshire, pedigree of Wentworth[6]
Ellis, Wapentake of Agbrigg (YAJ VII:132[7], pedigree
of Teutonicus (Tyas)
____________________
re: his wife:
coheiress8
' Ales = to Richard Tyas. ' [HSP 16:318[6], pedigree of Thornhill]
Grant dated at Pontefract, Monday, the morrow of the Circumcision
(Jan. 2), 1328-9:
' Grant in tail, with reversion to her right heirs, by Alice,
relict of Richard le Tyeis, in her pure widowhood and lawful power, to
Richard le Tyeis, her son, of all her rent in the vill of Meltham,
paying a rose on St. John the Baptist's day.
Witnesses, William de Birton, Alan de le Storthes, Adam son of
Matthew de Farnley, Roger de Seham of Pontefract, Adam le Chaumberlayn
of the same. ' [YAS XXXIX:110, no. 304][1]
Spouse: Alice de Tankersley
Death: aft 2 Jan 13281
Father: Sir Richard de Tankersley
Mother: Sarah de Thornhill
Children: Jane, m. John de Wentworth
Richard
Constance (->1316)
1.1 Constance le Tyes
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Death: aft 13167
cf. Ellis, Wapentake of Agbrigg (YAJ VII:132[7], pedigree of
Teutonicus (Tyas)
Spouse: Henry de Rockley
Children: Robert
1.1.1 Robert de Rockley
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Spouse: Cecilia de Oxspring
Children: Sir Robert (>1319-)
1.1.1.1 Sir Robert de Rockley
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Birth: aft 1319[4]
Spouse: Alice de Sheffield
Children: Sir Robert
1.1.1.1.1 Sir Robert Rockley
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cf. Foster I: pedigree of Rockley, of Rockley[9]
Spouse: Elizabeth FitzWilliam
Father: Sir William FitzWilliam (-1398)
Mother: Maud Cromwell (->1411)
Children: Robert (-ca1448)
1.1.1.1.1.1 Robert Rockley
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Death: ca 14484
of Rockley, co. Yorks.
cf. Foster I: pedigree of Rockley, of Rockley[9]
Spouse: Agnes Duckenfield
Children: John (->1450)
Eleanor
1.1.1.1.1.1.1 Eleanor Rockley
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' Elenor d. to Robart Rokby of Rokby Fulthivatt ' [pedigree of Drax,
Surtees Vis. North IV:62][10]
re: her husband:
of Woodhall, co. Yorks.
' Robert Drax of Drax mar: to his 1 wiff Elenor d. to Robart
Rokby of Rokby Fulthivatt = Katherin d. to Wm Mirfeld of
Yorkshier ' [pedigree of Drax, Surtees Vis. North IV:62][10]
' Robert Drax, succeeded his brother John at
Woodhall = Ellinor, dau. of Robert Rockley, Esq. '
[HSP 94:167, pedigree of Drax, of Woodhall][11]
'Robert Drax', plaintiff with his cousin William Bosvile:
' The record in a case at Westminster, 1446, of Will. Bosvyle
and Robert Drax against Will. Mauleverer, Knt., and ors.,
recites that the manor of Wodonson was given by Robert
Berley, Knt., to his son, Richard, temp. Edw. III; Richard
had a son and heir, Thomas, who in 1392 married Isabel Fitz
William, the heiress of Woodhall, who settled all her lands
at Woodhall, Darfield, Wombwell, etc., in trust on her
marriage. Thomas and Isabel Berley had two daughters
co-heiresses, Mary, who married John Bosvyle, and Margaret
the wife of John de Drax: in the proceedings the two sons
of these marriages, namely, William Bosvyle and Robert Drax,
claimed recovery of the properties against Mauleverer and
ors., the Trustees, the Mauleverer pedigree showing
marriages in the fourteenth century with both Bosvyle and
Berlay. ' [Barlow p. 161[2], cites De Banco Rolls, No. 741,
m. 328; Cal. Pat. Rolls, Hen VI, 1425, Feb. 12]
held the moiety of the advowson of Darfield, presenting John
Waryn to the living:
' John Waryn, 16 April 1451, presented by Robert Drax, of
Woodhall. ' [Hunter, South Yorkshire II:115][4]
Spouse: Robert Drax
Death: aft 16 Apr 14514
Father: John Drax
Mother: Margaret Barley (-<1434)
Children: Alexander (-1501)
Robert (-<1472)
Margaret
Katherine
Agnes
Alice
1. William Brown, F.S.A., ed., "Yorkshire Deeds," The
Yorkshire Archaeological Society, Record Series, 1909,
Record series vol. XXXIX - for the year 1907.
2. "Access to Archives," http://www.a2a.pro.gov.uk/
3. William Brown, B.A., ed., "Yorkshire Inquisitions," The
Yorkshire Archaeological Society, Record Series), various
dates:, Vol. I (Record series vol. XII) - 1892, Vol.
II(Record series vol. XXIII) - 1898, Vol. III (Record
series vol. XXXI) - 1902, Vol. IV (Record series vol.
XXXVII) - 1906.
4. Rev. Joseph Hunter, "South Yorkshire: the History and
Topography of the Deanery of Doncaster, in the Diocese
and County of York," Vol. II:, London: Printed for the
Author, by J. B. Nichols and Son, 1831.
5. Richard Holmes, "Wapentake of Osgoldcross," The Yorkshire
Archaeological Journal, Vol. X (1889), London: printed
for the Association by Bradbury, Agnew and Co.,
Whitefriars, E.C., pp. 250 et seq.
6. "The Visitation of Yorkshire," Harleian Soc., William
Flower, Esquire, Norroy King of Arms, Harleian Series,
Vol. 16, Mitchell and Hughes, Printers, London, 1881,
pp. 154-156: pedigree of Hastings of Elsing
('Hastynges..' of Fenwick, co. Yorks.), 'The Visitation
of Yorkshire in the Years 1563 and 1564'.
7. Alfred S. Ellis, "Dodsworth's Yorkshire Notes (Agbrigg),"
The Yorkshire Archaeological and Topographical Journal,
Vol. VII (1882), Vol. VIII (1884), London: printed for
the Association by Bradbury, Agnew and Co., Whitefriars,
E.C.
8. Paul C. Reed, "De La Mare," Feb 24, 1999, GEN-MEDIEVAL-
L...@rootsweb.com.
9. "Pedigrees of the County Families of Yorkshire," compiled
by Joseph Foster, London: W. Wilfred Head, 1874
(2 Vols.).
10. "Visitations of the North, Part IV:," Visitations of
Yorkshire and Northumberland in A.D. 1575, and A Book of
Arms from Ashmole MS. No. 834, Publications of the
Surtees Society,Vol. CXLVI, Durham: Andrews & Co.,, 1932.
11. J. W. Walker, O.B.E., F.R.C.S., F.S.A., "Yorkshire
Pedigrees," (Harleian Series, vol. 94), London: Harleian
Society, 1942.
12. Montague Barlow, "Barlow Family Records," London: Printed
by Bemrose & Sons, 1932, .pdf image files provided by
Ancestry.com www.ancestry.com.
* John P. Ravilious
mj...@btinternet.com
> Thursday, 27 September, 2007
>
> Dear Michael,
>
> Thanks for bringing up those problems relating to the Rockley
> pedigree. Based on what you have at present, and minus those things
> we do not have to hand (direct evidence as to several relationships
> being the greatest), I agree that Hunter is more likely correct that
> the HoP account.
Dear John
Many thanks - that's very helpful indeed. I attach some brief
comments - I will try to do some work on this family in London next
week.
>
> 1.1.1 Robert de Rockley
> ----------------------------------------
>
> Spouse: Cecilia de Oxspring
>
> Children: Sir Robert (>1319-)
>
> 1.1.1.1 Sir Robert de Rockley
> ----------------------------------------
> Birth: aft 1319[4]
>
> Spouse: Alice de Sheffield
I am sympathetic to your view that there were two Sir Roberts, father
and son. You may have seen the online article by William Morton
detailing the history of the chantry that Sir Robert Rockley and his
wife Elizabeth set up; this refers to a deed of 1386 in which he is
called a knight. Assuming that this is the elder Robert (son of
Cecily Oxspring) it seems the Visitation is right in calling his wife
Elizabeth. Do you have a source - other than HoP - for the Sheffield
marriage being to an Alice?
I note in the index to York wills, there was a probate grant of 4
March 1433 for "Dame Alice Rokley of Shirwodd" (Vol 3 folio 375) -
could she have been a second wife and widow of the younger (Sir)
Robert, whose marriage to Elizabeth Fitzwilliam is noted below?
>
> Children: Sir Robert
>
> 1.1.1.1.1 Sir Robert Rockley
> ----------------------------------------
>
> cf. Foster I: pedigree of Rockley, of Rockley[9]
>
> Spouse: Elizabeth FitzWilliam
> Father: Sir William FitzWilliam (-1398)
> Mother: Maud Cromwell (->1411)
>
> Children: Robert (-ca1448)
>
> 1.1.1.1.1.1 Robert Rockley
> ----------------------------------------
> Death: ca 1448
>
> of Rockley, co. Yorks.
As you probably know, the York probate index shows his will was dated
the Saturday after the feast of the Nativity in 1448, and was proved
at York 11 February 1448-9 ("Robert Rokley, Esquire").
>
> cf. Foster I: pedigree of Rockley, of Rockley[9]
>
> Spouse: Agnes Duckenfield
Thanks - that's new to me too.
>
> Children: John (->1450)
> Eleanor
>
> 1.1.1.1.1.1.1 Eleanor Rockley
> ----------------------------------------
>
> ' Elenor d. to Robart Rokby of Rokby Fulthivatt ' [pedigree of Drax,
> Surtees Vis. North IV:62][10]
>
> Spouse: Robert Drax
> Death: aft 16 Apr 14514
> Father: John Drax
> Mother: Margaret Barley (-<1434)
>
> Children: Alexander (-1501)
> Robert (-<1472)
> Margaret
> Katherine
This Katherine was the wife of Thomas Wakefield of Newark, Notts,
whose daughter and heir Isabel (Pedigree of the Frecheville and Musard
Families, p 4) married Aucher Frecheville.
MA-R
mhol...@mac.com
Years 1563 and 1564" by William Flower, ed. Charles B. Norcliffe
(London, 1881), p. 74-5, the wife of Sir Richard Conyers (son of
Christopher and Eleanor (Rolleston) Conyers) was Alice Wycliffe,
daughter of John Wyclifee and Ann Rokeby (sic). I'm wondering if
Rokeby is a mistranscription of Rockley/Rokeley and she should be
placed in that family. They were all Yorkshire families.
Kay Allen
Dear John etal.,
I have a Rockley dtr. married to John Savile (c.
1225-bef. 1276). Can anyone enlighten me about this
connection?
TIA
Kay Allen AG
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Subj: Re: Rockley or Rokeley family
Date: 9/28/2007 3:50:32 PM Eastern Daylight Time
From: Therav3
To: gen-me...@rootsweb.com
CC: all...@pacbell.net
Dear Kay,
Unfortunately I don't see anything too helpful in my notes for
those early generations. I do have the following, from Baildon's work
on the Saviles (Yorks. Arch. Journal), for which I can give more
detailed citation if needed.
" 1252, Martinmas. - Ralph son of Hugh de Balnia demised to John de
Seyvill 2? bovates of land in the field of Smitheton [Kirk Smeaton]
and his rent in Skelbroke for 16 years, paying yearly 16s. Witnesses,
Richard Foliot, Robert de Stapilton, Robert Butiller, Reynald Conan.
In the writings of Robert Rockley of Rockley, esq. (Yorks. Arch.
Journal, vol. 12, p. 70).
" 1252. - John de Seyvill held in Smetheton, for the term of 16
years, lands of Ralph son of Hugh de Balnia, and rent in Skelbroke
[Will's Sayvill de eodem (Dodsworth)]. Witnesses, Robert Foliot,
Robert Stapleton, Robert Butiler. In the writings of Robert Rockley,
esq. (Yorks. Arch. Journal, vol. 12, p. 68). This appears to be a
variant of the last note, with the curious interpolation from
Dodsworth, which is not explained by the editor; it is probably one of
Dodsworth's numerous cross-references to other documents, and may
refer to Peter de Saville's inquisition."
The following are taken from W. Paley Baildon, The Family of
Savile, YAJ 28:389-392.
That there would have been a Rockley - Savile marital connection
in the period would not be surprising; I will keep my eyes open for
additional evidence.
Cheers,
John
On Sep 27, 1:45?pm, Kay Allen <all...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> Dear John etal.,
>
> I have a Rockley dtr. married to John Savile (c.
> 1225-bef. 1276). Can anyone enlighten me about this
> connection?
>
> TIA
>
> Kay Allen AG
>
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