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lab...@ezinfo.ucs.indiana.edu

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Looking for anyone who may know of the Vipont family in Scotland of the
1200's and 1300's. Specially looking for a Helen Vipont who may have
married a Sir Robert Bruce, bastard son of King Robert I the Bruce.
Thanks.

Larry L.S. Bruce
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Richard Borthwick

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I don't have any information about the liaison you mention but here is what
I have of the Vipont family.

1. William de VIPONT, of Hardingstone & Alston ( - After 1199) m. Maud de
MOREVILLE dau. of Hugh de Moreville by Beatrice de Beauchamp
[Maud may been from the family of Thomas fitz Gospatric or daughter of Hugh
de Moreville of Oswaldkirk [DNB XX:304-05] . Turton notes that Blore makes
Maud the daughter of Roger de Moreville but rejects this in favour of
Planche's filiation to Hugh de Moreville by his wife Beatrice de Beauchamp
[TPA , 137, 142, note 145]. Stringer [Stringer 1985-1 in Stringer 1985:47]
confirms this last proposed filiation.]

2. Robert de VIPONT, of Appleby, Westmorland ( - 1228) m. Idonea de BUILLI ( -
? 1240) dau. & heir of John de Builli by Cecily de Bussy
[This and the next three generation see Sanders 1963, 103-04, 133]

3. John de VIPONT, of Appleby (About 1212 - 1241) m. (Sibyl de FERRERS dau.
of William earl of Derby by Agnes dau. of Hugh I earl of Chester)
[See TPA, 137, Burke 1883, 197. The latter has Sibyl as dau. of William earl
of Derby by his first wife Sibyl Marshal. Neither source is overly reliable,
especially the latter.]

4. Sir Robert de VIPONT, of Appleby (1233/1235 - Before 7 Jun 1264) m.
Isabel FITZ JOHN dau. & eventual coheir in her issue of John Fitz Geoffrey
by Isabel Bigod dau. Hugh earl of Norfolk
[See CP V:437]

5. Isabel de VIPONT (1254 - 1291), coheir of her father, m. Roger de
CLIFFORD ( - 6 Nov 1282)
[See CP III:290]

TPA Turton *The Plantagenet Ancestry*
CP *The Complete Peerage*
Burke 1883 *Burke's Dormant and Extinct Peerages*
Stringer 1985 *Essays on the Nobility of Medieval Scotland*

I would be interested to know the source you have used for the Bruce/Vipont
connection. Helen de Vipont was not a daughter & coheir of 4. She may of
course belong to a cadet line or was herself illegitimate.


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