Long Patrilineal Line
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1 Count JOSCELINE d: 12 September 1015
2 Count JOSCELINE d: in Battle of Florimel
.... +Gerberga d: 1025
3 Gilbert JOCELYN b: Abt. 1005 in Chateau de Josceline,
Normandy d: in Semperingham, co. Lincoln, ENG
4 Sir Gilbert JOCELYN b: in ENG
5 Geoffrey JOCELYN b: Abt. 1091
.... +.... de Bisset m: Abt. 1106
6 William JOCELYN b: Abt. 1107
.... +Oswalda GOUSHALL
7 Robert JOCELYN b: 1129
.... +.... FLEMING
8 James JOCELYN b: Abt. 1150
.... +Joan THRECKENHOLM b: in of Co. Essex
9 Henry JOCELYN b: 1174
.... +Jane CHASTELIN m: 1198
10 Ralph JOCELYN d: Aft. 1202
.... +Beatrice ....
11 John JOCELYN d: Aft. 1225
.... +Katherine BATTELL
12 Thomas JOCELYN b: Abt. 1227 d: Aft. 1277
.... +Maud HIDE/HYDE m: Abt. 1248
13 Thomas JOCELYN b: Abt. 1249 in of Hide Hall, Sawbridgeworth,
HRT, ENG d: Abt. 1284
.... +Alice LISTON
14 Ralph JOCELYN b: 13 December 1275 in Shellow-Bowels,
Willingale-Doe, ESS, ENG d: Bef. 1323
*2nd Wife of Ralph JOCELYN:
.... +Maud SUTTON m: 1301 d: Abt. 1354
15 Jeffrey JOCELYN b: in Hide Hall, Sawbridgeworth, HRT, ENG
d: Bef. 1373 in Sawbridgeworth, HRT, ENG
.... +Margaret ROKELL
16 Ralph JOCELYN b: in Sawbridgeworth, HRT, ENG d:
Abt. 1383 in Sawbridgeworth, HRT, ENG
.... +Margaret de PATMER
17 Jeffrey JOCELYN d: 1425 in Sawbridgeworth,
HRT, ENG
.... +Joan BERRIE m: 1394
18 Jeffrey JOCELYN b: in Sawbridgeworth, HRT, ENG d: 02
January 1470/71 in Sawbridgeworth, HRT, ENG
.... +Katherine Le BRAYE
19 John JOCELYN d: Bef. August 1524 in High
Rodyng, ESS, ENG
.... +Anne LAVENHAM
20 Ralph JOCELYN b: Abt. 1475 in Sheering, ESS, ENG
d: Abt. 31 May 1525 in Moche Canfield, ESS, ENG
.... +Elizabeth CORNISH b: Abt. 1480 in ESS, ENG
d: Abt. 1546
21 Ralph JOCELYN b: Abt. 1503 in Much Canfield, ESS, ENG
d: 1546 in Fyfield, ESS, ENG
22 John JOCELYN b: Abt. 1525 in Fyfield, ESS, ENG
d: 18 February 1578/79 in Roxwell, ESS, ENG
.... +Alice .... m: 15 January 1544/45 in Fyfield,
ESS, ENG
23 Ralph JOCELYN b: Abt. 1556 in Chignal-Smealy, ESS, ENG
d: 19 March 1631/32 in Roxwell, ESS, ENG
*2nd Wife of Ralph JOCELYN:
.... +Mary BRIGHT b: Abt. 1562 in Roxwell, ESS, ENG m: 22
May 1583
24 Thomas JOCELYN b: Abt. 1592 in Roxwell, ESS, ENG
d: 03 January 1660/61 in Lancaster, Worcester, MA
.... +Rebecca MARLOWE b: 1592 in London, ENG m: 1615 in
Lancaster, Worcester, MA d: 1673 in MA
25 Abraham JOCELYN b: 1619 in London, ENG d: 09 July
1670 in at sea
.... +Beatrice HAMPSON b: 15 July 1623 in London, ENG m:
1646 in Lancaster, Worcester, MA d: 11 January 1711/12 in Boston,
Suffolk, MA
26 Nathaniel JOCELYN b: 04 July 1660 in Boston, MA
.... +Mary ....
27 Nathaniel JOCELYN b: Abt. 1695 in Boston, MA
d: in New Haven, CT
.... +Abigail ABBOT b: 15 August 1700 in Waterbury, New Haven, CT
m: 15 March 1719/20 in Waterbury, New Haven, CT d: 1770 in East Haven,New
Haven, CT
28 Joseph Jocelyn b: 03 May 1727 in New Haven, New Haven, CT
.... +Sarah Parmelee b: 28 November 1732 m: 03 April 1753 in
New Haven, New Haven, CT d: 29 November 1757
29 Reuben Jocelyn b: 09 August 1755
I'm sure someone out there could carry this line forward to the present day,
if not with Reuben or Joseph, some other male offspring of Nathaniel. And, I
know the spelling could be one of many variations--I chose Jocelyn.
Always optimistic--Dave
D. Spencer Hines
ginned this one up.
DSH
--
D. Spencer Hines --- "Probitas Laudatur et Alget" [Honesty is praised
and starves.], Decimus Junius Juvenalis (Juvenal) [c. 50 A.D.-- c.130
A.D.], _Satires, I, line 74_
Todd A. Farmerie <ta...@po.cwru.edu> wrote in message
news:379A94...@po.cwru.edu...
> U...@aol.com wrote:
> >
> > Direct Descendants of Count JOSCELINE
> >
> > 1 Count JOSCELINE d: 12 September
1015
> > 2 Count JOSCELINE d: in Battle of
Florimel
> > .... +Gerberga d: 1025
> > 3 Gilbert JOCELYN b: Abt. 1005 in Chateau de
Josceline,
> > Normandy d: in Semperingham, co. Lincoln, ENG
> > 4 Sir Gilbert JOCELYN b: in ENG
>
> This looks . . ., well . . ., I'll just say it. It looks like
something
> the Burke's threw together. Patronymics were not all that common in
> France at this time, and likewise, I would doubt a frenchman born in
> 1005 would end up in Lincolnshire at a young enough age to have a
son
> born there. Any idea what territory "Count" Josceline was Count of?
or
> where "Josceline's Castle" is?
>
> taf
Todd A. Farmerie
Dennis J. Cunniff
I'm descended from this line but I am afraid I'd lop off the first 4 generations
as unproven. From generation 3 onward to Thomas Joslin the immigrant ancestor
the line presented is as published in the NEHGR [1], but Elizabeth French there
seems to identify the wrong father of Geoffrey Joslin, generation 5. She says
he was "Sir Gilbert Jocelyn, [who] settled in Lincolnshire, where he held of
Gilbert of Gaunt the lordships of Semperingham and Tyrrington," father of St.
Gilbert of Semperingham. But St. Gilbert's siblings were named Roger and Agnes
[4,5], and Agnes was her father's eventual heir - no Geoffrey. The father of St.
Gilbert would also seem to have been "a Domesday tenant of Alfred of Lincoln
with holding which amounted to some twelve carucates, concentrated in Lincoln"
rather than a tenant of Gilbert of Gaunt.
One possible candidate for father of Geoffrey was "Gozelin Filius Lanberti,
Tenant-in-chief in Domesday Lincolnshire who held in 1086 lands previously held
by his father Lambert. Probably a Norman. His son Gilbert had succeeded as lord
of Redbourne by 1115/18." [7]
Lanbert, a Norman, occurs "Domesday Lincolnshire as tenant of Jocelyn fitz
Lambert, to whom he was perhaps related. Perhaps the same as Lambert tenant of
Odo of Bayeux." [7]
I don't know if Keats-Rohan plans to publish anything further on these families
and I don't know of anyone else doing research on them.
The links beyond Geoffrey, though, ought to be considered unproven, though they
were asserted as fact in the Joslin book by Edith Wessler [2]. The purported
linkage to Gerberga and to Lambert of Louvain all seems to stem from this
source, and lacks evidence.
The pertinent references are:
1. French, Elizabeth, "Genealogical Research in England: (Joslin Family)," New
England Historical and Genealogical Register, vol. 71, 1917, pp. 236-257.
2. Wessler, Edith S., Jocelyn-Joslin-Joslyn-Josselyn Family, The, Tokyo;
reprinted, Higginson Books, Salem, Massachusetts, 1962.
3. Genealogies of the Stranahan, Josselyn, Fitch and Dow Families, privately
published, Brooklyn, NY, 1868. New York Public Library call number: APV
(Stranahan)
4. (probably Ralph de Insula), St. Gilbert, The Book of, Foreville, Raymonde,
and Gillian Keir, Clarendon Press, Oxford, England, 1987.
5. Golding, Brian, Gilbert of Semperingham and the Gilbertine Order c.
1130-c.1300, Clarendon Press, Oxford, England, 1995.
6. Whittemore, Henry, History of the Sage and Slocum Families of England and
America, 1908.
7. Keats-Rohan, K.S.B., Domesday People: A Prosopography of Persons Occurring in
English Documents 1066-1166: I. Domesday Book, The Boydell Press, Woodbridge,
1999., 0 85115 722 X, 98-47670.
Dennis.
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U...@aol.com wrote:
> Direct Descendants of Count JOSCELINE
>
> 1 Count JOSCELINE d: 12 September 1015
> 2 Count JOSCELINE d: in Battle of Florimel
> .... +Gerberga d: 1025
> 3 Gilbert JOCELYN b: Abt. 1005 in Chateau de Josceline,
> Normandy d: in Semperingham, co. Lincoln, ENG
> 4 Sir Gilbert JOCELYN b: in ENG
Renia Simmonds
> U...@aol.com wrote:
> >
> > Direct Descendants of Count JOSCELINE
> >
> > 1 Count JOSCELINE d: 12 September 1015
> > 2 Count JOSCELINE d: in Battle of Florimel
> > .... +Gerberga d: 1025
> > 3 Gilbert JOCELYN b: Abt. 1005 in Chateau de Josceline,
> > Normandy d: in Semperingham, co. Lincoln, ENG
> > 4 Sir Gilbert JOCELYN b: in ENG
>
> This looks . . ., well . . ., I'll just say it. It looks like something
> the Burke's threw together. Patronymics were not all that common in
> France at this time, and likewise, I would doubt a frenchman born in
> 1005 would end up in Lincolnshire at a young enough age to have a son
> born there. Any idea what territory "Count" Josceline was Count of? or
> where "Josceline's Castle" is?
>
> taf
There's a castle at Josselin in Brittany. They are currently "doing it up",
quite good, but a way to go yet. We stood on the ramparts there, and watched a
young, presumably local boy, kick a kitten to death, right in front of us,
where he stood in the moat.
I believe the medieval family there were the Rohans.
Renia.
D. Spencer Hines
classical' and one needed a few of them in the pedigree for seasoning.
These genealogies must have made for enthralled readings in the 19th
century parlours of the bourgeoisie.
_Gilbert of Gaunt_ is a nice touch too. "Here, Madam, if we can't
give you John of Gaunt in the pedigree you can at least have Gilbert
of Gaunt as a surrogate. And here's my invoice for your sterling
"Royal Descent" Madam. I'm sure you understand that my research in
the British and French archives was _exhaustive_, dear lady."
<fx> Charlatan Genealogist presents invoice for $10,000 to matronly
Gibson Girl, in her mauve parlour circa 1895.
D. Spencer Hines
Lux et Veritas
--
D. Spencer Hines --- "Probitas Laudatur et Alget" [Honesty is praised
and starves.], Decimus Junius Juvenalis (Juvenal) [c. 50 A.D.-- c.130
A.D.], _Satires, I, line 74_
Renia Simmonds <PSim...@cwcom.net> wrote in message
news:379B4B4D...@cwcom.net...
> Todd A. Farmerie wrote:
>
> > U...@aol.com wrote:
> > >
> > > Direct Descendants of Count JOSCELINE
> > >
> > > 1 Count JOSCELINE d: 12 September
1015
> > > 2 Count JOSCELINE d: in Battle of
Florimel
> > > .... +Gerberga d: 1025
> > > 3 Gilbert JOCELYN b: Abt. 1005 in Chateau de
Josceline,
> > > Normandy d: in Semperingham, co. Lincoln, ENG
> > > 4 Sir Gilbert JOCELYN b: in ENG
<snip>
taramark
Itallian proverb
Corinne
tara...@netins.net
-----Original Message-----
From: D. Spencer Hines <D._Spence...@aya.yale.edu>
To: GEN-MED...@rootsweb.com <GEN-MED...@rootsweb.com>
Date: Saturday, July 24, 1999 11:39 PM
Subject: Re: Long Patrilineal Line
>I'd love to know the professional history of the Genealogist who
>ginned this one up.
>
>DSH
>--
>
>D. Spencer Hines --- "Probitas Laudatur et Alget" [Honesty is praised
>and starves.], Decimus Junius Juvenalis (Juvenal) [c. 50 A.D.-- c.130
>A.D.], _Satires, I, line 74_
>
>Todd A. Farmerie <ta...@po.cwru.edu> wrote in message
>news:379A94...@po.cwru.edu...
>> U...@aol.com wrote:
>> >
>> > Direct Descendants of Count JOSCELINE
>> >
>> > 1 Count JOSCELINE d: 12 September
>1015
>> > 2 Count JOSCELINE d: in Battle of
>Florimel
>> > .... +Gerberga d: 1025
>> > 3 Gilbert JOCELYN b: Abt. 1005 in Chateau de
>Josceline,
>> > Normandy d: in Semperingham, co. Lincoln, ENG
>> > 4 Sir Gilbert JOCELYN b: in ENG
>>
>> This looks . . ., well . . ., I'll just say it. It looks like
>something
>> the Burke's threw together. Patronymics were not all that common in
>> France at this time, and likewise, I would doubt a frenchman born in
>> 1005 would end up in Lincolnshire at a young enough age to have a
>son
>> born there. Any idea what territory "Count" Josceline was Count of?
>or
>> where "Josceline's Castle" is?
>>
>> taf
>
>______________________________
U...@aol.com
tara...@netins.net writes:
<< his looks . . ., well . . ., I'll just say it. It looks like
>something
>> the Burke's threw together. Patronymics were not all that common in
>> France at this time, and likewise, I would doubt a frenchman born in
>> 1005 would end up in Lincolnshire at a young enough age to have a
>son
>> born there. Any idea what territory "Count" Josceline was Count of?
>or
>> where "Josceline's Castle" is?
>> >>
Thought this might stir up the beehive a bit.
The line comes fro "The Jocelyn-Joslin-Joslyn-Josselyn Family" compiled by
Edith S. Wessler, 1961? complete with rendering of Chateau De Jocelyn in
Brabant. I will quote: "Our primal ancestor seems to be Lambert I, or
Josceline d'Albro [or Altho?]. He was one of Louis Outremer's chief officers
in the battle against the Danes in 945, and was Count of Brabant." [Palgrave
states that Lambert I was Count of Hainault.] Since he is the first known
ancestor by the family name, he shall be considered the first generation..."
Paraphrasing:
The next Count Jocelyn, or Lambert II, succeeded his father as Count of
Brabant in 1005, married the Duke of Lorraine's daughter Gerberga, a marriage
by which a long line of French Dukes, Counts, and Barons have descended.
There is also an excellent article in The Journal of American History, by
Laura Elmendorf Skeels, from which I quote:
The name of Joscelin and its variants is derived from the Chateau de Jocelin,
the
stronghold of Lambert 1, known as, Joselin d'Albou, who became Count of
Brahant early in the Eleventh Century. His son, Lambert II, married Gerburga,
granddaughter of King Louis IV of France, and their son, Gilbertus
Joscelinus, as his name appears in the old Latin form, is stated in the
following article by Mrs. Skeels to have gone from Brabant to England and to
have there founded the illustrious Joscelin family whose descendant came to
America in the Seventeenth Century.
THE GENEALOGICAL EDITOR."
This gets even better!! All you DFA experts sharpen your pencils:
"The primal ancestor, so far as the records show, of the famity of Joscelin
(Jocelin, Josselin, Joslin, etc.) was Aesyetes, born about 1204 B. C., a
Trojan of noble family, who, by his wife, Cleomaestra, was the father of
Anterior, born about 1239 B. C., who, according to the Homeric account, was
not only a Trojan of high rank and one of the wisest among the elders of his
native city, but also King of the Cimbri, a people living along the shores of
the Black Sea, whose country was a province of Troy. Antenor married Theano,
a (laughter of the Phrygian Dymos, or, according to another story, of
Cisseus. Her sister, Hecuba, was the wife of Priam, the last King of Troy,
and mother of Hector and Paris. Theano, according to the Oracles, was
begotten and born under the inspiration of the Goddess Minerva, and was
consecrated at an early age a Priestess of Athena.
Antenor is claimed as ancestor of Marcomir I, said to have been the first
King of the Sigambri, which tribe eventually became incorporated with the
Franks.
Pharamond, a descendant of Marcomir I, and Duke of Friesland, was chosen Duke
of the Franks in Franconi, April 24th, 418, and, on July 23d, he took the
title of King. He married, first, Imbeltrude, daughter of Bassogast; second,
Argotto, daughter and heiress of Genebald, and granddaughter of Marcomir V.
also a descendant of Marcomir I. Pharamond died in 427, having reigned nine
years. Tradition says that he was a descendant in the thirty-seventh
generation from Antenor.
Clodion, the successor of Pharamond, was called "Long Locks," because lie
introduced a custom that those of their blood should wear long hair. He left
as his successor his youngest son, Albro, who married Argotta. Their son,
Vanburtis, died in 528, leaving as his successor Anselbert, who died in .571,
leaving two children. Arnold was the eldest. He was Marquis of a territory
near tile Scheldt. He married Doda of Saxony, and, after her death, entered
tile Priesthood and became Bishop of Metz. He died in 64o, leaving one soil,
Ansigise, who married Begga, (daughter of Pepin of Lauden, who belonged to a
noble Frailk family, akin to the Merovingians.
Pepin of Hiristal, son of Ansigise and Begga, was born in 631. He was Mayor
of the Palace in Austrasia under Clovis III. He married Chrotrude, and
died December 16th, 714. Pepin inherited the whole of tile family estates,
and held the ancestral office of Mayor of the Palace of Austrasia from 688
until his death. By his wife, Chrotrude, lie had four children, the eldest
being Charles Martel, born in 690
There's lots more and please excuse any scanning errors I missed.
Always optimistic--Dave.
taramark
I am not the author of this episode!
Corinne
tara...@netins.net
-----Original Message-----
From: U...@aol.com <U...@aol.com>
To: GEN-MED...@rootsweb.com <GEN-MED...@rootsweb.com>
Date: Sunday, July 25, 1999 8:55 AM
Subject: Re: Long Patrilineal Line
>______________________________
D. Spencer Hines
He tells me I've left out a significant detail and obliterated some of
his best work. He's quite right. A thousand pardons; I really should
have been more precise.
[Scene, as before, in the mauve parlour of the Gibson Girl [New York,
Boston, San Francisco, Buenos Aires, it doesn't really matter], circa
1895.]
<fx> Gibson Girl notices that the oleaginous little genealogist has
left a large stain on the antimacassar. As soon as he departs, she
tells Brigitte, her downstairs maid, to wash and iron it and have it
back on the large, overstuffed, mauve, velvet, Victorian chair by tea.
D. Spencer Hines
Lux et Veritas
Fortem Posce Animum
--
D. Spencer Hines --- "Probitas Laudatur et Alget" [Honesty is praised
and starves.], Decimus Junius Juvenalis (Juvenal) [c. 50 A.D.-- c.130
A.D.], _Satires, I, line 74_
D. Spencer Hines <D._Spence...@aya.yale.edu> wrote in message
news:7nfgqq$r0j$2...@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net...
> I particularly like the filiation to the Trojans. Trojans were
'like
> classical' and one needed a few of them in the pedigree for
seasoning.
>
> These genealogies must have made for enthralled readings in the 19th
> century parlours of the bourgeoisie.
>
> _Gilbert of Gaunt_ is a nice touch too. "Here, Madam, if we can't
> give you John of Gaunt in the pedigree you can at least have Gilbert
> of Gaunt as a surrogate. And here's my invoice for your sterling
> "Royal Descent" Madam. I'm sure you understand that my research in
> the British and French archives was _exhaustive_, dear lady."
>
> <fx> Charlatan Genealogist presents invoice for $10,000 to matronly
> Gibson Girl, in her mauve parlour circa 1895.
>
> D. Spencer Hines
>
> Lux et Veritas
> --
>
> D. Spencer Hines --- "Probitas Laudatur et Alget" [Honesty is
praised
> and starves.], Decimus Junius Juvenalis (Juvenal) [c. 50 A.D.--
c.130
> A.D.], _Satires, I, line 74_
>
> Renia Simmonds <PSim...@cwcom.net> wrote in message
> news:379B4B4D...@cwcom.net...
> > Todd A. Farmerie wrote:
> >
> > > U...@aol.com wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Direct Descendants of Count JOSCELINE
> > > >
> > > > 1 Count JOSCELINE d: 12
September
> 1015
> > > > 2 Count JOSCELINE d: in Battle
of
> Florimel
> > > > .... +Gerberga d: 1025
> > > > 3 Gilbert JOCELYN b: Abt. 1005 in Chateau de
> Josceline,
> > > > Normandy d: in Semperingham, co. Lincoln, ENG
> > > > 4 Sir Gilbert JOCELYN b: in ENG
>
> <snip>
>
>
>
>
>
Todd A. Farmerie
>
> Thought this might stir up the beehive a bit.
>
> The line comes fro "The Jocelyn-Joslin-Joslyn-Josselyn Family" compiled by
> Edith S. Wessler, 1961? complete with rendering of Chateau De Jocelyn in
> Brabant. I will quote: "Our primal ancestor seems to be Lambert I, or
> Josceline d'Albro [or Altho?]. He was one of Louis Outremer's chief officers
> in the battle against the Danes in 945, and was Count of Brabant." [Palgrave
> states that Lambert I was Count of Hainault.] Since he is the first known
> ancestor by the family name, he shall be considered the first generation..."
Ugh. Josceline d'Albro OR Lambert I. She has taken two entirely
different people and pasted them together. Lambert of Brabart is a well
known person, be was not name Josceline or anything like it.
>
> Paraphrasing:
>
> The next Count Jocelyn, or Lambert II, succeeded his father as Count of
> Brabant in 1005, married the Duke of Lorraine's daughter Gerberga, a marriage
> by which a long line of French Dukes, Counts, and Barons have descended.
Ditto here of Count Jocelyn/Lambert II.
> There is also an excellent article in The Journal of American History, by
> Laura Elmendorf Skeels, from which I quote:
>
> The name of Joscelin and its variants is derived from the Chateau de Jocelin,
> the
> stronghold of Lambert 1, known as, Joselin d'Albou, who became Count of
> Brahant early in the Eleventh Century. His son, Lambert II, married Gerburga,
> granddaughter of King Louis IV of France, and their son, Gilbertus
> Joscelinus, as his name appears in the old Latin form, is stated in the
> following article by Mrs. Skeels to have gone from Brabant to England and to
> have there founded the illustrious Joscelin family whose descendant came to
> America in the Seventeenth Century.
> THE GENEALOGICAL EDITOR."
If the journal in question actually published something like this, they
should be ashamed of themselves.
"We trace back to this completely obscure person, who is actually
identical to an extremely famous person with an entirely different
name"? This speaks loads about the human psyche, that people need so
much to glorify their ancestry that they turn their backs on common
sense.
taf
Todd A. Farmerie
>
> There's a castle at Josselin in Brittany. They are currently "doing it up",
> quite good, but a way to go yet. We stood on the ramparts there, and watched a
> young, presumably local boy, kick a kitten to death, right in front of us,
> where he stood in the moat.
>
> I believe the medieval family there were the Rohans.
Perhaps, but the tradition in question places the people in Brabant, so
they would not have had a castle in Brittany.
taf
D. Spencer Hines
> identical to an extremely famous person with an entirely different
> name"? This speaks loads about the human psyche, that people need
> so much to glorify their ancestry that they turn their backs on
> common sense.
>
> taf
> > "The Jocelyn-Joslin-Joslyn-Josselyn Family" compiled by
> > Edith S. Wessler, 1961
Did Wessler do the genealogical research herself, or just cut and
paste the work of others?
Who was, in fact, the dirtbag, charlatan, fraudulent genealogist?
I suspect she's not the culprit. Where did she get her material? Her
book probably says. Her book is dedicated to Gustave Anjou, you say?
I envision a small, pimply-faced, oleaginous, rodent-faced, pogue
sitting under a gaslight with a quill pen early into the morning
hours, laboring over his fraud throughout a week of deception. He
stokes himself on a mixture of laudanum and cheap rum as he grinds out
the balderdash for his client, Mrs. Jocelyn, in 1895.
Perhaps Wessler is just his latest victim.
D. Spencer Hines
Lux et Veritas
Exitus Acta Probat
D. Spencer Hines
sending her outgoing post?
I feel a Polish joke coming on --- my Polish ancestors are looking
down and smiling, I'll wager.
_Brabant_ and _Britanny_ both start with "Br" --- so it's really quite
easy to get them confused, right Renia?
DSH
Lux et Veritas
--
D. Spencer Hines --- "Probitas Laudatur et Alget" [Honesty is praised
and starves.], Decimus Junius Juvenalis (Juvenal) [c. 50 A.D.-- c.130
A.D.], _Satires, I, line 74_
Renia Simmonds <PSim...@cwcom.net> wrote in message
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> I realise that now. Didn't realise at the time of posting. Thanks.
>
> Renia
>
> >
> >
> > taf
Renia Simmonds
taramark
a goat might preach.
Danish proverb
Corinne
tara...@netins.net
-----Original Message-----
From: D. Spencer Hines <D._Spence...@aya.yale.edu>
To: GEN-MED...@rootsweb.com <GEN-MED...@rootsweb.com>
Date: Monday, July 26, 1999 8:20 PM
Subject: Re: Long Patrilineal Line
>So, she didn't actually read the incoming post carefully before
>sending her outgoing post?
>
>I feel a Polish joke coming on --- my Polish ancestors are looking
>down and smiling, I'll wager.
>
>_Brabant_ and _Britanny_ both start with "Br" --- so it's really quite
>easy to get them confused, right Renia?
>
>DSH
>
>Lux et Veritas
>--
>
>D. Spencer Hines --- "Probitas Laudatur et Alget" [Honesty is praised
>and starves.], Decimus Junius Juvenalis (Juvenal) [c. 50 A.D.-- c.130
>A.D.], _Satires, I, line 74_
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