Proposed DFA through Georgia
Shawn
in FMG by David H. Kelley and information from several posts on this
site by Don Stone and Igor Sklar several years ago. I don't recall
where I found the information for generations 25-52, but I suspect I
found it in The Encyclopedia Judaica--these generations in the lineage
also can be found on a number of web sites, including one on the
ancestry of the Dayyan family. I believe the two most hypothetical
links that require further proof at this point are the connections
between generations 6-8 and 21-22.
96. Abraham = Sarah [Gen 11:26; Matt 1:6]
95. Isaac = Rebecca [Gen 21:3; Matt 1:6]
94. Jacob = Leah [Gen 25:26; Matt 1:6]
93. Judah = Tamar [Gen 38:29; Matt 1:6]
92. Perez = ____ [1 Chr 2:4; Matt 1:6]
91. Hezron = ____ [1 Chr 2:9; Matt 1:6]
90. Ram = ____ [1 Chr 2:10; Matt 1:6]
89. Amminadab = ____ [1 Chr 2:10; Matt 1:6]
88. Nahshon = ____ [1 Chr 2:10; Matt 1:6]
87. Salmon = Rahab [1 Chr 2:11; Matt 1:6]
86. Boaz = Ruth [1 Chr 2:12; Matt 1:6]
85. Obed = ____ [1 Chr 2:12; Matt 1:6]
84. Jesse = ____ [1 Chr 2:13-15; Matt 1:6]
83. David, King of Judah & Israel 1010-970 BC = Bathsheba [Matt 1:6; 1
Chr 3:5]
82. Solomon, King of Judah & Israel 970-930 BC = Naamah [Matt 1:6, 7;
1 Chr 3:5, 10; 1 Kin 14:21]
81. Rehoboam, King of Judah 930-913 BC = Michaiah [Matt 1:7; 1 Chr
3:10; 2 Chr 13:2]
80. Abijam, King of Judah 913-910 BC = Ana [Matt 1:7; 1 Chr 3:10; LXX
3 Kin 15:10]
79. Asa, King of Judah 910-869 BC = Azubah [Matt 1:7, 8; 1 Chr 3:10; 2
Chr 20:31]
78. Jehoshaphat, King of Judah 869-848 BC = ____ [Matt 1:8; 1 Chr
3:10]
77. Joram, King of Judah 848-841 BC = Athaliah [Matt 1:8; 1 Chr 3:11;
2 Chr 22:2]
76. Ahaziah, King of Judah 841 BC = Zibiah [omitted in Matt; 1 Chr
3:11; 2 Chr 24:1]
75. Joash, King of Judah 835-796 BC = Jehoaddan [omitted in Matt; 1
Chr 3:11; 2 Chr 25:1]
74. Amaziah, King of Judah 796-767 BC = Jecholiah [omitted in Matt; 1
Chr 3:12; 2 Chr 26:3]
73. Uzziah, King of Judah 767-740 BC = Jerusha [Matt 1:8, 9; 1 Chr
3:12; 2 Chr 27:1]
72. Jotham, King of Judah 740-735 BC = Azrikam [Matt 1:9; 1 Chr 3:12;
1 Chr 9:44]
71. Ahaz, King of Judah 735-726 BC = Abijah [Matt 1:9; 1 Chr 3:13; 2
Chr 29:1]
70. Hezekiah, King of Judah 726-697 BC = Hephzibah [Matt 1:9, 10; 1
Chr 3:13; 2 Kin 21:1]
69. Manasseh, King of Judah 697-642 BC = Meshullemeth [Matt 1:10; 1
Chr 3:13; 2 Kin 21:19]
68. Amon, King of Judah 642-640 BC = Jedidah [Matt 1:10; 1 Chr 3:14; 2
Kin 22:1]
67. Josiah, King of Judah 640-609 BC = Zebudah [Matt 1:10, 11; 1 Chr
3:14, 15; 2 Kin 23:36]
66. Jehoiakim, King of Judah 609-598 = Nehushta [1 Chr 3:15]
65. Jeconiah, King of Judah 598 BC = Tamar [1 Chr 3:16]
64. Padaiah = ____ [1 Chr 3:17-18]
63. Zerubbabel, Exilarch in Babylon 545-510 BC = Esthra [1 Chr 3:19]
62. Hananiah, Exilarch in Babylon = ____ [1 Chr 3:19]
61. Jeshaiah, Exilarch in Babylon = ____ [1 Chr 3:21]
60. Rephaiah, Exilarch in Babylon = ____ [1 Chr 3:21]
59. Arnan = ____ [1 Chr 3:21]
58. Obadiah, Exilarch in Babylon = ____ [1 Chr 3:21]
57. Shecaniah, Exilarch in Babylon = ____ [1 Chr 3:21]
56. Shemaiah, Exilarch in Babylon = ____ [1 Chr 3:22]
55. Neariah, Exilarch in Babylon = ____ [1 Chr 3:22]
54. Elioenai, Exilarch in Babylon = ____ [1 Chr 3:22, 23]
53. Akkub = ____ [1 Chr 3:24]
52. David = ____
51. Shlomo = ____
50. Shemiah = ____
49. David = ____
48. Shechaniah = ____
47. Hizkiah = ____
46. Shalom = ____
45. Nathan = ____
44. Hunya = ____
43. Shlomo = ____
42. Yakov = ____
41. Ahija, Exilarch in Babylon 135-145 AD [Began New Dynasty] = ____
40. Nakum II, Exilarch in Babylon 145-170 AD = ____
39. Mar Ukba I, Exilarch in Babylon 210-240 AD = ____
38. Huna II, Exilarch in Babylon 240-259 AD = ____
37. Nathan I, Exilarch in Babylon 259-270 AD = ____
36. Nehemiah I, Exilarch in Babylon 270-313 AD = ____
35. Mar Ukba II, Exilarch in Babylon 313-317 AD = ____
34. Abba, Exilarch in Babylon 350-370 AD = ____
33. Kahana I, Exilarch in Babylon 400-415 AD = ____
32. Mar Zutra I, Exilarch in Babylon 442-456 = ____
31. Kahana II, Exilarch in Babylon 456-465 = ____
30. Huna VI, Exilarch in Babylon 484-508 = ____
29. Hava [d. 493] = Haninai ben Maremar
28. Mar Zutra II, Exilarch in Babylon 512-520 = ____
27. Ahunai, Exilarch in Babylon 550-560 = ____
26. Kofnai, Exilarch in Babylon 560-581 = ____
25. Haninai, Exilarch in Babylon 581-589 = ____
24. Bustanai, Exilarch in Baghdad 642-670, b.c. 626, m.c. 660 =
Izdadwar d. Yezdegird III of Persia
23. Hisdai Shahrijar, Exilarch in Baghdad, bef. 680-bef. 715, b.c. 662
= ____
22. Solomon Rosbihan, Exilarch in Baghdad, b.c.685?, d.c. 759 = sister
of Guaram III, Kouropalates of Iberia
21. Guaram IV, Kouropalates of Iberia, b.c. 720 = sister of Ashot III,
the Blind, Prince of Armenia 732-748
20. Adarnase III, the Bagratid “prince … of the House of David the
Prophet,” b.c. 750? = ____
19. Ashot the Great, Kouropalates of Iberia, b.c. 780?, killed in
battle January 29, 826 = ____
18. Bagrat I, Prince of Kartli, 822-876 = dau. of Smbat VII Bagratuni
the Confessor, King of Armenia
17. Davit, Prince of Kartli, Kouropalates, killed 881 = dau. of
Konstantini, King of Abkhazia
16. Adarnase X, Prince of Kartli, Kouropalates, d. 923 = ____
15. Sumbat I, Prince of Kartli, Kouropalates, d. 958 = ____
14. Bagrat II the Simple, Prince of Kartli, d. 994 = ____
13. Gurgen I, Prince of Kartli, d. 1008 or after = dau. of Leon, King
of Abkhazia
12. Bagrat III, King of Abkhazia, d. 1014 = ____
11. Giorgi I, King of Abkhazia, 1014-1027 = Mariam, dau. of Senekerim
Yovhannes Arcruni, King of Armenia
10. Bagrat IV, King of Georgia, 1027-1072 = Borena of Ossetia
09. Giorgi II, King of Georgia, 1072-1112 = Helene
08. David IV, King of Georgia, d. 1125 = Rusudan of Armenia
07. Rusudan of Georgia = David of Ossetia
06. Aspa of Ossetia = Georgios Comnenodukas Palaiologos, b.c. 1125
05. Irina Palaiologina = Isaac II Angelos, Emperor of Byzantium, b.c.
1156
04. Irina Angelaena of Byzantium = Philip, Holy Roman Emperor
03. Maria von Hohenstauffen = Henry II, Duke of Brabant
02. Matilda of Brabant = Robert, Count of Artois
01. Blanche Capet, b.c. 1253, d. 1302 = Edmund Plantagenet, 1st Earl
of Lancaster
- Generations 01-05. Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain
American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700, (Baltimore, MD:
Genealogical Publishing Company, 1999, seventh edition), 47.
- Generations 05-10. Rudolf Hiestand, “Die Erste Ehe Isaaks II
Angelus und Seine Kinder” in Jahrbuch der Osterreichischen
Byzantinistik, 47 [1997]: 199-208. On January 18-19, 2000, Don Stone
cited this and other articles to support the proposition that the
first wife of Isaac II Angelos was a daughter of Georgios Comnenodukas
Palaiologos, whose wife was a Georgian princess. He also wrote that
Jean-Claude Cheynet and Jean-Francois Vannier, in Etudes
Prosopographiques, 1986, esp. 156-158, 162-163, show that Andronikos
Palaiologos was called “beloved brother-in-law” of Isaac II Angelos,
Emperor of Byzantium. See
http://groups.google.ca/group/soc.genealogy.medieval/browse_thread/thread/d4ba348a038117a7/8a22561a8cd087d4?lnk=gst&q=%2Baspae+%2BPalaiologos#.
On March 15-24, 2003, Igor Sklar provided additional information
indicating that the mother-in-law of Isaac II Angelos was Aspa of
Ossetia, daughter of David of Ossetia and Rusudan of Georgia, daughter
of David IV, King of Georgia and Rusudan of Armenia—see
http://groups.google.ca/group/soc.genealogy.medieval/browse_thread/thread/8bb3109e040d86c2/91e8424efaa0f0ee?lnk=gst&q=%2Baspae+%2Bgeorgia#.
- Generations 08-20. Charles Cawley and Foundations of Medieval
Genealogy, Medieval Lands at http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/Contents.htm.
- Generations 19-25. David H. Kelley, FASG, “The Political Role of
Solomon, the Exilarch, c. 715-759 CE [Part 2],” in Foundations of
Medieval Genealogy [2006] 2 [2]:140-157.
lostc...@yahoo.com
> On March 15-24, 2003, Igor Sklar provided additional information
> indicating that the mother-in-law of Isaac II Angelos was Aspa of
> Ossetia, daughter of David of Ossetia and Rusudan of Georgia, daughter
> - Generations 08-20. Charles Cawley and Foundations of Medieval
> - Generations 19-25. David H. Kelley, FASG, “The Political Role of
> Solomon, the Exilarch, c. 715-759 CE [Part 2],” in Foundations of
> Medieval Genealogy [2006] 2 [2]:140-157.
As the Old Testament & Encyclopedia Judaica citations are entirely
secondary at best & possibly mythological, I would have difficulty in
accepting the older generations given here. At what point does the
historical record kick in - possibly Armenia? Bronwen
Don Stone
> The following proposed DFA combines information from a recent article
> in FMG by David H. Kelley and information from several posts on this
> site by Don Stone and Igor Sklar several years ago. I don't recall
> where I found the information for generations 25-52, but I suspect I
> found it in The Encyclopedia Judaica--these generations in the lineage
> also can be found on a number of web sites, including one on the
> ancestry of the Dayyan family. I believe the two most hypothetical
> links that require further proof at this point are the connections
> between generations 6-8 and 21-22.
>
> 07. Rusudan of Georgia = David of Ossetia
> 06. Aspa of Ossetia = Georgios Comnenodukas Palaiologos, b.c. 1125
> 05. Irina Palaiologina = Isaac II Angelos, Emperor of Byzantium, b.c.
> 1156
> 04. Irina Angelaena of Byzantium = Philip, Holy Roman Emperor
> 03. Maria von Hohenstauffen = Henry II, Duke of Brabant
> 02. Matilda of Brabant = Robert, Count of Artois
> 01. Blanche Capet, b.c. 1253, d. 1302 = Edmund Plantagenet, 1st Earl
> of Lancaster
>
> On March 15-24, 2003, Igor Sklar provided additional information
> indicating that the mother-in-law of Isaac II Angelos was Aspa of
> Ossetia, daughter of David of Ossetia and Rusudan of Georgia, daughter
> of David IV, King of Georgia and Rusudan of Armenia—see
> http://groups.google.ca/group/soc.genealogy.medieval/browse_thread/thread/8bb3109e040d86c2/91e8424efaa0f0ee?lnk=gst&q=%2Baspae+%2Bgeorgia#.
>
Fairly early in the thread just cited, Pierre Aronax said (on Mar. 16,
2003) concerning generations 07 and 06:
> There is more problems here: all what is known of Aspaè was that she
> was a relative of Kataè of Georgia: making her a daughter of David of
> Ossetia is only an hypothesis. And the identification of [Aspaè's]
> husband Palaiologos with Gèôrgios Palaiologos is probable, but not
> proven at all.
And later in the thread, Pierre says:
> I prefer to follow the cautiousness of J.-F. Vannier on Aspaè's
> origins. I am not disturbed by the fact that, judging by her name, she
> has probably Ossetian ancestry; I will not conclude for that she was
> the daughter of the King of Ossetia, much less that she had Bagratids
> ancestors, which is possible, but not proven and not even "probable."
>
I tend to agree with Pierre (except perhaps for the "not even probable"
part) and to think that Igor Sklar is making more precise hypotheses
than the evidence warrants. Again quoting Pierre:
> To conclude, I think you are confusing again possibility of a
> relationship
> with proven link. If the question is only: "is it probable that Byzantine
> aristocracy had Bagratids ancestors?", the answer is clearly yes,
> since we
> know a sufficient number of marriages between Byzantine aristocrats and
> Bagratid princesses to suspect it was so, some of this marriages with a
> known posterity, even if this posterity can generally not be followed
> on a
> great number of generation because of the lack of sources. If the
> question
> is "had the Palaiologos a Bagratid ascendancy through Aspaè", the
> answer can
> only be: "possible, but not sure at all" since 1) Aspaè's ascendancy is
> unknown and 2) it is not proven that she has any posterity.
The latter comment 2 is a reference to a problem between generations 06
and 05; consider the following excerpts from postings by Pierre on Mar.
1, 2003:
> The identification of Emperor Isaak II's first wife with a Palaiologina is
> only an hypothesis, based on the fact that the protopanhypersebastos
> Andronikos Palaiologos (+ after 1191) was Isaak II's "gambros" (a word
> which
> can describe more than one kind of relationships by marriage, particularly
> "son-in-law" or "brother-in-law"). Even her Christian name, Eirn, is known
> only by a Western source. For my part I don't believe Isaak II was married
> with a Palaiologina: for various reasons, I think it is Andronikos'
> wife who
> was a relative of Isaak II, and not the reverse.
> His [Vannier's] hypothesis [in _Eupsychia_, 1998] is very convincing
> of course, but that is not for that that
> Gergios Palaiologos had only one wife. So, I think it is more prudent to
> consider that Gergios Palaiologos' children are from an unknown mother.
>
> Now to the question of Andronikos the "gambros": my basic reason to
> think he
> was married to a relative of Isaak II, and not the reverse, is the son I
> give to him. I think that, if he was a son of Gergios [Palaiologos]
> the megas
> hetaireiarches, and since his (supposed) brother had probably no son, then
> for anthroponimical reasons he must be the father of an other Gergios,
> attested in the last years of the 12th century.
>
> Then, this Gergios took part in the plot against Isaak II: speaking of the
> conspirators, among which this Gergios, Niktas Choniats says that they
> were all "related by blood to the emperor" ("kata genos t basilei
> sunaptomenoi"). I am not a scholar in Choniats, but I would be surprise if
> he considered as a parentage "kata genos", "by the race", the fact to
> be the
> son of the brother of a previous wife. On the other hand, if
> Andronikos was
> married to a relative of Isaak II (probably a cousin), and if, as I
> suspect,
> Gergios was the son of this marriage, to describe him as a relative "kata
> genos" suits better. And so, Hiestand notwithstanding, I don't think Isaak
> II was never [i.e., ever] married with a Palaiologina. But perhaps I
> am wrong and "kata
> genos" can have a broder meaning in Choniats and can refer to a parentage
> which is not really by blood: only a specialist of Choniats vocabulary can
> answer this question.
-- Don Stone
WJho...@aol.com
In a message dated 8/24/2008 5:45:29 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
shp...@comcast.net writes:
54. Elioenai, Exilarch in Babylon = ____ [1 Chr 3:22, 23]
53. Akkub = ____ [1 Chr 3:24]
52. David = ____
51. Shlomo = ____
50. Shemiah = ____
49. David = ____
48. Shechaniah = ____
47. Hizkiah = ____
46. Shalom = ____
45. Nathan = ____
44. Hunya = ____
43. Shlomo = ____
42. Yakov = ____
41. Ahija, Exilarch in Babylon 135-145 AD [Began New Dynasty] = ____>>>
It is quite likely that these connections are spurious. The lengthening
generations leads one to believe that someone has collapsed a few of them. The
lack of any chronologic framework, makes that non-obvious, but readers should
be wary of such a small number of generations to cover such a long time
period.
Will
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