FitzAlan/de Bohun
Michael D. Miller
First time to post. Richard FitzAlan, b. 1346, m. 28 Sep 1359 Elizabeth de Bohun. Could anyone share info on the ancestors of these families?
Michael
John Steele Gordon
> First time to post. Richard FitzAlan, b. 1346, m. 28 Sep 1359 Elizabeth de Bohun. Could anyone share info on the ancestors of these families?
Their daughter, Elizabeth Fitzalan, is, with her second husband, Thomas de Mowbray, Duke of Norfolk, and with her third husband, Sir Robert
Gousill, ancestral to many, many immigrants to the American colonies. She has, probably, a million or more living descendants in the U.S. alone.
As one of her descendants is Oliver Manwaring (my 8th great grandfather), immigrant to Connecticut, her ancestry is given on my website:
http://www.parsonstech.com/genealogy/trees/jgordon.jsgordon.htm
Let me know if you need the info in some other form.
John Steele Gordon
John Steele Gordon
> http://www.parsonstech.com/genealogy/trees/jgordon.jsgordon.htm
Oh, dear. Of course it's:
http://www.parsonstech.com/genealogy/trees/jgordon/jsgordon.htm
Sorry about that.
JSG
ED MANN
>
> First time to post. Richard FitzAlan, b. 1346, m. 28 Sep 1359 Elizabeth de Bohun.
> Could anyone share info on the ancestors of these families?
Here's a start. THey're cousins, both descended from Henry III:
Direct Descendants of Henry III of England
1 King Henry III of England b: 1 Oct 1207 d: 12 Nov 1272 ref #:
F225:15
+Éléonore de Provence b: Abt. 1217 d: 25 Jun 1291 ref #: Ä111-30
2 King Edward I of England aka: "Longshanks" b: 17 Jun 1239 d: 1307
ref #: BRF:81
+Princess Alianore de Castile b: 1240 d: 28 Nov 1290 ref #: Ä110-30
3 Elizabeth Plantagenet b: 7 Aug 1282 d: 5 May 1316 ref #: F24:12
*2nd Husband of Elizabeth Plantagenet:
+Sir Humphrey de Bohun VIII aka: 4th Earl of Hereford & Essex b:
Abt. 1276 d: 16 Mar 1321/22 ref #: W18-5
4 Sir William de Bohun aka: 1st Earl of Northampton b: Abt. 1312 d:
16 Sep 1360 ref #: F24:11
+Elizabeth de Badlesmere b: 1313 d: 8 Jun 1356 ref #: W36-7
5 [2] Elizabeth de Bohun d: 3 Apr 1385 ref #: W19-7
+[1] Sir Richard FitzAlan aka: K.G. / 10th Earl of Arundel b: 1346
d: 21 Sep 1397 ref #: F106:12
6 Lady Alice FitzAlan b: Abt. 1374 ref #: F106:12i
*2nd Wife of Edward I of England:
2 Edmund Plantagenet aka: 1st Earl of Lancaster "Crouchback" b: 16
Jan 1244/45 d: 5 Jun 1296 ref #: F152:14
*2nd Wife of Edmund Plantagenet:
+Blanche de Artois b: Abt. 1248 d: 2 May 1302 ref #: Ä45-30
3 Sir Henry Plantagenet aka: 3d Earl of Lancaster b: Abt. 1281 d: 22
Sep 1345 ref #: F153:13
+Maud de Chaworth b: 1282 d: Abt. 1320 ref #: W4-6
4 Alianor Plantagenet aka: Eleanor de Lancaster b: Abt. 1318 d: 11
Jan 1371/72 ref #: F186:10
*2nd Husband of Alianor Plantagenet:
+Sir Richard FitzAlan aka: 9th Earl of Arundel b: Abt. 1313 d: 24
Jan 1375/76 ref #: W121-6
5 [1] Sir Richard FitzAlan aka: K.G. / 10th Earl of Arundel b: 1346
d: 21 Sep 1397 ref #: F106:12
*2nd Wife of [1] Richard FitzAlan:
+[2] Elizabeth de Bohun d: 3 Apr 1385 ref #: W19-7
--
FWIW; AFAIK; IMHO; YMMV; yadda, yadda, yadda.
Regards, Ed Mann mailto:edl...@mail2.lcia.com
References:
Ä = Weis, _Ancestral_Roots_, 7th ed.
AACPW = Roberts & Reitwiesner, _American Ancestors and Cousins of
the Princess of Wales_, [page].
AAP = Roberts, _Ancestors_of_American_Presidents_, [page] or
[Pres. # : page].
BP1 = _Burke's_Presidential_Families_, 1st ed. [page].
BPci = _Burke's_Peerage_, 101st ed., [page].
BRF = Weir, _Britain's_Royal_Families_, [page].
BxP = _Burke's_Dormant_&_Extinct_Peerages_, [page].
EC1 = Redlich, _Emperor_Charlemagne's_Descendants_, Vol I, [page].
EC2 = Langston & Buck, _Emperor_Charlemagne's_Descendants_, Vol II,
[page].
EC3 = Buck & Beard, _Emperor_Charlemagne's_Descendants_, Vol II,
[page].
F = Faris, _Plantagenet_Ancestry_, [page:para].
Π= Hardy, _Colonial_Families_of_the_Southern_States_of_America_,
[page].
S = Stuart, _Royalty_for_Commoners_, 2d ed. Caveat emptor.
W = Weis, _Magna_Charta_Sureties,_1215_, 4th ed.
WFT = Broderbund's World Family Tree CD, [vol]:[num] Caveat emptor.
WMC = Wurt's Magna Charta, [vol]:[page]
U...@aol.com
mdmi...@michweb.net writes:
<< First time to post. Richard FitzAlan, b. 1346, m. 28 Sep 1359 Elizabeth de
Bohun. Could anyone share info on the ancestors of these families?
>>
Here's what I have for Elizabeth:
Descendants of Humphrey II de Bohun
1 Humphrey II de Bohun b: of Trowbridge d: Bef. 29-Sep-1165
.... +Margaret de Gloucester d: 6-Apr-1187
2 Humphrey III de Bohun b: of Trowbridge d: Abt. 1187
.... +Margaret de Huntingdon b: of Scotland
3 Henry de Bohun d: 1-Jun-1220
.... +Margaret of Scotland d: 1201
*2nd Wife of Henry de Bohun:
.... +Maud de Mandeville b: Bef. 1197 d: 27-Aug-1236
4 Humphrey IV de Bohun b: 1208 d: 24-Sep-1275
.... +Maud de Eu d: 14-Aug-1241
5 Humphrey V de Bohun b: 1220 d: 27-Oct-1265
.... +Eleanor de Braose d: 1251
6 Humphrey de Bohun VI d: 31-Dec-1298 Pleshy Castle
.... +Maud of Fiennes d: Walden Abbey, ESS, ENG
7 Humphrey de Bohun VII b: Abt. 1276 d: 16-Mar-1321/22 Boroughbridge
.... +Elizabeth of England b: 7-Aug-1282 Rhuddlan Castle, Flintshire, Wales,
ENG d: Abt. 5-May-1316 Quendon, ESS, ENG
8 William de Bohun b: Abt. 1312 d: 16-Sep-1360 Walden Abbey, ESS, ENG
.... +Elizabeth de Badlesmere b: 1313 d: 8-Jun-1356
9 Elizabeth de Bohun d: 3-Apr-1385
.... +Richard FitzAlan, Sir b: Abt. 1346 d: 21-Sep-1397 Executed
10 Thomas FitzAlan d: 1415
.... +Beatrix of Portugal b: 1385 d: 1438
10 Elizabeth FitzAlan b: 1375 d: 8-Jul-1425
.... +William of Montagu d: 6-Aug-1382 A joust
*2nd Husband of Elizabeth FitzAlan:
.... +Thomas de Mowbray b: 22-Mar-1365/66 d: 22-Sep-1399 Venice, Italy
*3rd Husband of Elizabeth FitzAlan:
.... +Robert Goushill b: of Hoveringham d: 21-Jul-1403 Shrewsbury, Salop, ENG
*4th Husband of Elizabeth FitzAlan:
.... +Gerard Ufflete
10 Joan FitzAlan b: Abt. 1375 d: 14-Nov-1435
.... +William de Beauchamp b: Aft. 1344 d: 8-May-1411
10 Margaret FitzAlan
.... +Rowland Henthall b: of Hampton Court
10 Alice FitzAlan b: Abt. 1374
.... +John Cherleton d: 19-Oct-1401
*2nd Husband of Alice FitzAlan:
.... +Henry Beaufort b: Abt. 1375 d: 11-Apr-1447 Winchester, ENG
9 Humphrey X de Bohun b: 25-Mar-1342 d: 16-Jan-1372/73 Walden Abbey, ESS,
ENG
.... +Joan FitzAlan d: 7-Apr-1419 Walden Abbey, ESS, ENG
10 Mary of Bohun b: Abt. 1370 d: 4-Jul-1394 Peterborough Castle, NTH, ENG
.... +Henry IV, King of England\\ b: Apr-1366 Bolingbroke Castle. LIN, ENG d:
20-Mar-1412/13 Westminster
10 Alianor de Bohun b: Abt. 1366 d: 3-Oct-1399 Minoresses Convent, Aldgate,
ENG
.... +Thomas of Woodstock b: 7-Jan-1354/55 Woodstock, OXF, ENG d: Sep-1397
Calais
8 Alianor de Bohun b: 17-Oct-1304 d: 7-Oct-1363
.... +James Butler, Sir b: Abt. 1305 d: 6-Jan-1337/38
9 Petronilla Butler b: Abt. 1332 d: Bef. 1369
.... +Gilbert Talbot, Sir b: Abt. 1332 d: 24-Apr-1387 Roales, ESP
10 Elizabeth Talbot
.... +Henry de Grey b: Abt. 1339 d: 22-Apr-1396
10 Richard Talbot, Sir b: Abt. 1361 Blackmere, ENG d: 9-Sep-1396 Goodrich,
HFF, ENG
.... +Ankaret le Strange b: Abt. 1361 d: 1-Jun-1413
9 James Butler b: 4-Oct-1331 Kilkenny Castle, IRL d: 1382 Knocktopher
Castle, IRL
.... +Elizabeth Darcy d: 24-Mar-1389/90
10 James Butler b: Aft. 1360 d: 6-Sep-1405 Gowran, IRL
.... +Anne de Welles d: Aft. 1396
*2nd Husband of Alianor de Bohun:
.... +Thomas de Dagworth d: Abt. Aug-1350 Aurai, Brittany
9 Alianor de Dagworth
.... +Walter FitzWalter
8 Margaret de Bohun
.... +Hugh de Courtenay
9 Elizabeth de Courtenay
.... +Andrew Luttrell, Sir
10 Hugh Luttrell, Sir
6 Alianore de Bohun d: 20-Feb-1313/14
.... +Robert de Ferrers b: Abt. 1239 d: 1279
7 John de Ferrers b: 20-Jan-1270/71 Cardiff, Wales d: Aug-1312 Gascony, FRA
.... +Hawise de Muscegros b: 21-Dec-1276 aft24jun1340
8 Alainore de Ferrers
.... +Thomas de Lathom b: 1300 d: 17-Sep-1370
9 Thomas de Lathom d: Bef. Mar-1381/82
.... +Joan Venables
10 Isabel de Lathom b: Abt. 1364 d: 26-Oct-1414
.... +John Stanley b: 1350 d: 6-Jan-1413/14 Ardee, IRL
7 Alianore de Ferrers
.... +Robert FitzWalter b: 1247 d: 18-Jan-1325/26
8 Robert FitzWalter, Sir b: 1300 d: 1328
.... +Joane de Multon
9 John FitzWalter b: 1316 d: 1361
.... +Alianore de Percy
10 Alice FitzWalter d: 29-Apr-1401
.... +Aubrey de Vere b: Abt. 1338 d: 23-Apr-1400
*2nd Wife of Humphrey V de Bohun:
.... +Joan de Quincy b: Abt. 1245 d: 25-Nov-1283
5 Alice de Bohun
.... +Roger V de Toeni b: 1235 d: Bef. 12-May-1264
6 Ralph VII de Toeni b: 1255 d: Bef. 29-Jul-1295 Gascony
.... +Mary ....
7 Alice de Toeni b: Abt. 1283 d: 8-Jan-1324/25
.... +Thomas de Leyburn
*2nd Husband of Alice de Toeni:
.... +Guy de Beauchamp b: 1278 d: 12-Aug-1315
8 Thomas de Beauchamp b: 14-Feb-1313/14 d: 13-Nov-1369
.... +Katherine de Mortimer d: 1371
9 Philippe de Beauchamp d: Bef. 6-Apr-1386
.... +Hugh de Stafford b: Abt. 1342 d: 16-Oct-1386 Isle of Rhodes
10 Margaret de Stafford b: Bef. 1364 Brancepeth, Durham, ENG d: 9-Jun-1396
.... +Ralph de Neville b: Bef. 1364 Raby Castle, DUR, ENG d: 21-Oct-1425
Raby, Durham, ENG
10 Edmund de Stafford b: 2-Mar-1377/78 d: 21-Jul-1403 Battle of Shrewsbury
.... +[1] Anne of Gloucester b: Apr-1383 d: 16-Oct-1438
10 Katherine de Stafford d: 8-Apr-1419
.... +Michael de la Pole b: Bef. 1368 d: 18-Sep-1415
10 Thomas de Stafford d: 4-Jul-1392
.... +[1] Anne of Gloucester b: Apr-1383 d: 16-Oct-1438
9 Thomas of Beauchamp b: Bef. 16-Mar-1338/39 d: 8-Apr-1401
.... +Margaret de Ferrers d: 22-Jan-1406/07
10 Richard de Beauchamp b: 25-Jan-1380/81 Salwarpe, WOR, ENG d: 30-Apr-1439
Rouen, NOR, FRA
.... +Elizabeth de Berkeley b: Abt. 1386 d: 28-Dec-1422
*2nd Wife of Richard de Beauchamp:
.... +Isabel le Despenser b: 26-Jul-1400 Cardiff, Wales d: 27-Dec-1439 Friars
Minoresses, London, ENG
9 Joan de Beauchamp
.... +Ralph Basset
10 Jane Basset
.... +John de Stourton b: of Preston d: 1364
8 Elizabeth de Beauchamp
.... +Thomas de Astley
9 Alice de Astley
.... +Richard Champernoun
10 Alexander Champernoun
10 Joan Champernoun
*3rd Husband of Alice de Toeni:
.... +William la Zouche de Mortimer d: 28-Feb-1335/36
8 Joyce la Zouche de Mortimer d: Aft. 1372
.... +[2] John de Botetourte b: 1318 d: 1385
8 Elizabeth la Zouche de Mortimer
.... +[2] John de Botetourte b: 1318 d: 1385
6 Alice de Toeni d: Aft. 1306
.... +Walter de Beauchamp b: of Powyke d: 1306
7 Giles de Beauchamp b: of Alcester and Powyke
8 Roger de Beauchamp b: of Bletsho, BDF, ENG d: 1379
9 Roger de Beauchamp b: of Bletsho and Lydiard-Tregoze
10 John de Beauchamp b: of Bletsho, BDF, ENG d: Abt. 1413 ENG
.... +Edith Stourton
Always optimistic--Dave
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mdmi...@michweb.net writes:
<< First time to post. Richard FitzAlan, b. 1346, m. 28 Sep 1359 Elizabeth de
Bohun. Could anyone share info on the ancestors of these families?
>>
Here's what I have for Richard:
Descendants of Alan FitzFlaad
1 Alan FitzFlaad b: Abt. 1078 Dol, Normandy d: Aft. 1114
.... +Aveline of Hesdin b: Abt. 1081 of Dol, Normandy d: Aft. 1126
2 William FitzAlan b: Abt. 1105 Oswestry, Salop d: 1160
.... +Helen Reverel b: Abt. 1109 of Oswestry
3 William FitzAlan b: Abt. 1137 Oswestry, Salop
.... +Isabel de Saye b: Abt. 1141 of Clun, Shrops, ENG
4 John FitzAlan b: Abt. 1164 of Arundel, SUS, ENG d: 1240
.... +Isabella d'Aubigny b: Abt. 1190 of Arundel, SUS, ENG d: Bef. 1240
5 John FitzAlan b: May-1223 Arundel, SUS, ENG d: Bef. 10-Nov-1267
.... +Maud le Botiller d: 27-Nov-1283
6 John FitzAlan III of Arundel b: 14-Sep-1246 d: 18-Mar-1271/72
.... +Isabella of Mortimer b: 1248 d: Aft. 1300
7 Maud FitzAlan of Arundel b: Abt. 1260
.... +Philip Burnel, Sir b: Abt. 1260 d: 1314
8 Maud Burnel b: Abt. 1290 d: Bef. 1341
.... +John Lovel, Sir b: 1288 d: 1314
*2nd Husband of Maud Burnel:
.... +John de Handlo d: 1346
8 Edward Burnel, Sir d: 1315
.... +Olivia le Despencer
7 Richard I FitzAlan b: 1266 d: 9-Mar-1301/02
.... +Alasia de Saluzzo d: 25-Sep-1292
8 Edmund FitzAlan b: 1285 d: 17-Nov-1326 Hereford
.... +Alice de Warenne d: Bef. 23-May-1338
9 Richard II FitzAlan b: Abt. 1313 d: 24-Jan-1375/76 Arundel
.... +Isabel le Despenser b: Abt. 1312 d: 1376
10 Edmund FitzAlan, Sir b: Abt. 1327 d: Aft. 1376
.... +Sibyl de Montacute d: 30-Jan-1343/44
10 Mary FitzAlan d: 29-Aug-1396
.... +John le Strange b: Abt. 1332 Whitchurch, SAL, ENG d: 12-May-1361
*2nd Wife of Richard II FitzAlan:
.... +Alianor of Lancaster b: Abt. 1318 d: 11-Jan-1371/72 Arundel
10 Joan FitzAlan d: 7-Apr-1419 Walden Abbey, ESS, ENG
.... +Humphrey X de Bohun b: 25-Mar-1342 d: 16-Jan-1372/73 Walden Abbey, ESS,
ENG
10 John de Arundel b: Maltravers d: 15-Dec-1379 at sea near Ireland
.... +Alianor Maltravers b: Abt. 1345 d: 10-Jan-1404/05
10 Thomas FitzAlan d: 19-Feb-1412/13
10 Eleanor FitzAlan
.... +Robert de Ufford
10 Richard FitzAlan, Sir b: Abt. 1346 d: 21-Sep-1397 Executed
.... +Elizabeth de Bohun d: 3-Apr-1385
*2nd Wife of Richard FitzAlan, Sir:
.... +Philippa de Mortimer b: 21-Nov-1375 d: 24-Sep-1401
10 Alice FitzAlan of Arundel b: 1352 Arundel Castle, SSX, ENG d:
17-Mar-1415/16
.... +Thomas de Holand b: Abt. 1350 Upholand, LAN, ENG d: 25-Apr-1397 Arundel
Castle, SSX, ENG
10 Elizabeth FitzAlan
.... +William Latimer b: 1330 d: 1380
8 John FitzAlan
8 Margaret FitzAlan
.... +William le Botiller
7 Eleanor FitzAlan d: 1328
.... +Henry de Percy b: Abt. 1273 d: 1314
8 Henry de Percy b: 6-Feb-1300/01 d: 27-Feb-1351/52 Warkworth
.... +Idoine de Clifford b: Abt. 1303 d: 24-Aug-1365
9 Maud de Percy b: Abt. 1335 d: Bef. 18-Feb-1378/79
.... +John de Neville b: Abt. 1327 Raby, Durham, ENG d: 17-Oct-1388 Newcastle
on Tyne, ENG
10 Alice de Neville b: Abt. 1358
.... +William Deincourt, Sir d: 1381
10 Eleanor de Neville b: Abt. 1360 d: Aft. 1441
.... +Ralph de Lumley d: 15-Jan-1399/00
10 Iodine de Neville b: Abt. 1362
10 Thomas de Neville b: Abt. 1362 d: 14-Mar-1406/07
.... +Joane de Furnival
*2nd Wife of Thomas de Neville:
.... +Ankaret le Strange b: Abt. 1361 d: 1-Jun-1413
10 Ralph de Neville b: Bef. 1364 Raby Castle, DUR, ENG d: 21-Oct-1425 Raby,
Durham, ENG
.... +Margaret de Stafford b: Bef. 1364 Brancepeth, Durham, ENG d: 9-Jun-1396
*2nd Wife of Ralph de Neville:
.... +Joan Beaufort b: Abt. 1379 Beufort, Anjou, FRA d: 13-Nov-1440 Howden,
YKS, ENG
10 Maud de Neville b: Abt. 1367
.... +William le Scrope
10 Elizabeth de Neville b: Abt. 1369
9 Alianore de Percy
.... +John FitzWalter b: 1316 d: 1361
10 Alice FitzWalter d: 29-Apr-1401
.... +Aubrey de Vere b: Abt. 1338 d: 23-Apr-1400
*2nd Wife of John FitzAlan:
.... +Haws de Blancminister
Always optimistic--Dave
Tristan Tornado
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> Always optimistic--Dave
>
>
Ok Dave, You are pushing this always optimistic thing just a bit too
far and I am beginning to have my doubts here.I want to hear from your
wife on this one and see what she has to say about this.
My guess is she will say you DO have your grouchy moments and you are
leading us all astray on this one.
Tell her to e-mail me at <tristan...@yahoo.com>
I want the truth here.
Tristan
Raptus regaliter
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John Steele Gordon
posted it two weeks and a day ago and it showed up promptly, and now it
suddenly shows up again. Curiouser and curiouser, as a famous Oxford
mathematician once wrote.
The URL is still wrong, however. It's:
http://www.parsonstech.com/genealogy/trees/jgordon/jsgordon.htm
John Steele Gordon