Descendants of William Malet, Baron of Curry Malet, MCS 1215
Ed Mann
>
> I have the following line of descent for William Malet, MCS 1215.
>
> 1.William Malet, b. c 1176 d. 1217
> + Alice Basset
>
> 2.Mabel Malet
> +Hugh de Vivonna, Sheriff of Somerset
>
> 3.William de Forz, Lord of Chewton b. c. 1219 d. bef 5/22/1259
> +Maud de Ferrers
>
> 4.Cecily de Vivonnia, b. c. 1257, d. 1320
> +John de Beauchamp, Lord of Hacche Beauchamp
>
> 5.John de Beauchamp, Baron of Hacche Beauchamp, b. 1274 d. aft 10/20/1336
> +Joan _________ (Chenduit?)
>
> 6.Joan Beauchamp, b. 1305 d. 1343
> +John de Cobham, 2nd Lord Cobham
>
> I have searched the archives but found nothing there. Can anyone please comment on the validity of this line and perhaps cite a reference or references that support this lineage? Many thanks!
>
> Lee Denham
Selected Descendants of William II Malet
1 William II Malet aka: Magna Charta Surety b: Abt. 1170 d: Abt. 1216
ref #: W57-1
2 Mabel Malet ref #: W59-2
+Hugh de Viviona aka: Seneschal of Gascony d: Bef. 1250 ref #:
(Ä261-31)
3 William de Forz d: Bef. 22 May 1259 ref #: W59A-3
+Maud de Ferrers aka: Matilda de Ferrers b: Abt. 1230 d: 12 Mar 1298/99
ref #: W149-3
4 Cicely de Viviona b: 1257 d: 10 Jan 1319/20 ref #: W149-4
+John de Beauchamp b: Abt. 1248 d: 24 Oct 1283 ref #: BxP:33
5 John de Beauchamp aka: 1st Baron Beauchamp of Hatch b: 27 Jul 1274
d: Aft. 1 Jan 1336/37 ref #: W149-5
+Joan Chenduit b: Abt. 1279 d: 9 Feb 1326/27
6 Joan de Beauchamp ref #: BxP:125
+John de Cobham aka: 2d Lord Cobham ref #: BxP:125
--
FWIW; AFAIK; IMHO; YMMV; yadda, yadda, yadda.
Regards, Ed Mann mailto:INET...@atlantic.net
References:
Ä = Weis, _Ancestral_Roots_, 7th ed.
AACPW = Roberts & Reitwiesner, _American Ancestors and Cousins of
the Princess of Wales_, [page].
AAP = Roberts, _Ancestors_of_American_Presidents_, [page] or
[Pres. # : page].
BP1 = _Burke's_Presidential_Families_, 1st ed. [page].
BPci = _Burke's_Peerage_, 101st ed., [page].
BRF = Weir, _Britain's_Royal_Families_, [page].
BxP = _Burke's_Dormant_&_Extinct_Peerages_, [page].
EC1 = Redlich, _Emperor_Charlemagne's_Descendants_, Vol I, [page].
EC2 = Langston & Buck, _Emperor_Charlemagne's_Descendants_, Vol II,
[page].
EC3 = Buck & Beard, _Emperor_Charlemagne's_Descendants_, Vol II,
[page].
F = Faris, _Plantagenet_Ancestry_, [page:para].
NK1 = Roberts, _Notable_Kin_Volume_One_, [page].
NK2 = Roberts, _Notable_Kin_Volume_Two_, [page].
Π= Hardy, Colonial_Families_of_the_Southern_States_of_America, [pg].
PA = Faris, _Plantagenet_Ancestry_, 2d ed. [page:para].
S = Stuart, _Royalty_for_Commoners_, 2d ed. Caveat lector.
W = Weis, _Magna_Charta_Sureties,_1215_, 4th ed.
WFT = Broderbund's World Family Tree CD, [vol]:[num] Caveat lector.
WMC = Wurt's Magna Charta, [vol]:[page] Caveat lector.
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>>I have the following line of descent for William Malet, MCS 1215.
>>
>>1.William Malet, b. c 1176 d. 1217
>> + Alice Basset
1066-1327* (Oxford University Press: Oxford, 1963 [1960]) 5 note 5, 38 &
note 8, 52-53
>>2.Mabel Malet
>> +Hugh de Vivonna, Sheriff of Somerset
1066-1327* (Oxford University Press: Oxford, 1963 [1960]) 38-39
>>3.William de Forz, Lord of Chewton b. c. 1219 d. bef 5/22/1259
>> +Maud de Ferrers
Descent 1066-1327* (Oxford University Press: Oxford, 1963 [1960]) 39
>>4.Cecily de Vivonnia, b. c. 1257, d. 1320
>> +John de Beauchamp, Lord of Hacche Beauchamp
>>5.John de Beauchamp, Baron of Hacche Beauchamp, b. 1274 d. aft 10/20/1336
>> +Joan _________ (Chenduit?)
>>6.Joan Beauchamp, b. 1305 d. 1343
>> +John de Cobham, 2nd Lord Cobham
malinda jones
malinda
Ed Mann wrote:
> Janet Denham wrote:
> >
> > I have the following line of descent for William Malet, MCS 1215.
> >
> > 1.William Malet, b. c 1176 d. 1217
> > + Alice Basset
> >
> > 2.Mabel Malet
> > +Hugh de Vivonna, Sheriff of Somerset
> >
> > 3.William de Forz, Lord of Chewton b. c. 1219 d. bef 5/22/1259
> > +Maud de Ferrers
> >
> > 4.Cecily de Vivonnia, b. c. 1257, d. 1320
> > +John de Beauchamp, Lord of Hacche Beauchamp
> >
> > 5.John de Beauchamp, Baron of Hacche Beauchamp, b. 1274 d. aft 10/20/1336
> > +Joan _________ (Chenduit?)
> >
> > 6.Joan Beauchamp, b. 1305 d. 1343
> > +John de Cobham, 2nd Lord Cobham
> >
> > I have searched the archives but found nothing there. Can anyone please comment on the validity of this line and perhaps cite a reference or references that support this lineage? Many thanks!
> >
> > Lee Denham
>
carol...@my-deja.com
INET...@atlantic.net (Ed Mann) wrote:
> Janet Denham wrote:
> >
> > I have the following line of descent for William Malet, MCS 1215.
> >
> > 1.William Malet, b. c 1176 d. 1217
> > + Alice Basset
> >
> > 2.Mabel Malet
> > +Hugh de Vivonna, Sheriff of Somerset
> >
> > 3.William de Forz, Lord of Chewton b. c. 1219 d. bef 5/22/1259
> > +Maud de Ferrers
> >
> > 4.Cecily de Vivonnia, b. c. 1257, d. 1320
> > +John de Beauchamp, Lord of Hacche Beauchamp
> >
> > 5.John de Beauchamp, Baron of Hacche Beauchamp, b. 1274 d. aft
10/20/1336
> > +Joan _________ (Chenduit?)
> >
> > 6.Joan Beauchamp, b. 1305 d. 1343
> > +John de Cobham, 2nd Lord Cobham
> >
> > I have searched the archives but found nothing there. Can anyone
please comment on the validity of this line and perhaps cite a
reference or references that support this lineage? Many thanks!
> >
> > Lee Denham
>
From "Kin of Mellcene Thurman Smith, Call #;
"5. John de Beauchamp, born July 25, 1274, who was summoned to
Parliament as a baron by the style of "Johanni de Bello Campo de
Somerset" on Dec. 29, 1299, 28th of Edward I, to Aug. 24, 1336, 9th of
Edward III, whereby he may be held to have become Lord Beauchamp. He
was knighted with the Prince of Wales May 22, 1306. In 1321 he
succeeded to the extensive landed estates of his mother, Cicely de
Vivonia de Beauchamp. He was Governor of Bridgewater Castle 1325. He
married Joan de Audley, daughter of James de Audley and Ela de
Longspee; daughter of William de Longspee and Idonae de Camville; son
of William de Longspee; son of Henry II, King of England, by Rosamund
Clifford. John Beauchamp died Oct. 20, 1336."
Was Joan De Audeley another wife to John?
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Before you buy.
Cristopher Nash
<den...@henderson.net>:
>At 04:10 PM 1/11/00 +0800, you wrote:
> >>I have the following line of descent for William Malet, MCS 1215.
> >>
> >>1.William Malet, b. c 1176 d. 1217
> >> + Alice Basset
>I J Sanders *English Baronies: A Study of their Origin and Descent
>1066-1327* (Oxford University Press: Oxford, 1963 [1960]) 5 note 5, 38 &
>note 8, 52-53
> >>2.Mabel Malet
> >> +Hugh de Vivonna, Sheriff of Somerset
>I J Sanders *English Baronies: A Study of their Origin and Descent
>1066-1327* (Oxford University Press: Oxford, 1963 [1960]) 38-39
> >>3.William de Forz, Lord of Chewton b. c. 1219 d. bef 5/22/1259
> >> +Maud de Ferrers
>CP IV:199; I J Sanders *English Baronies: A Study of their Origin and
>Descent 1066-1327* (Oxford University Press: Oxford, 1963 [1960]) 39
> >>4.Cecily de Vivonnia, b. c. 1257, d. 1320
> >> +John de Beauchamp, Lord of Hacche Beauchamp
>CP II:48
> >>5.John de Beauchamp, Baron of Hacche Beauchamp, b. 1274 d. aft 10/20/1336
> >> +Joan _________ (Chenduit?)
>CP II:48-49
> >>6.Joan Beauchamp, b. 1305 d. 1343
> >> +John de Cobham, 2nd Lord Cobham
>CP III:344
Note Doug Richardson in WEIS (1992): "According to VCH Oxford V 160
Alice Basset's three Bisset (Biset) chn. were coh. of Alice's sis.
Philippa Basset, but not the Malet chn.; so they [the latter] must
have been chn. of an earlier wife" (Line 233A:28, p 198). Any
thoughts?
Cris
cb
> 6.Joan Beauchamp, b. 1305 d. 1343
> +John de Cobham, 2nd Lord Cobham
>
I have a link to a John Cobham, died 49 Edward iii, 1376(?). His daughter and co-heiress Elizabeth is shown in a pedigree diagram as having married Sir Edward Kendall
see http://freespace.virgin.net/ecliptica.ww/meet_the_ancestors/waldegrave_pedigree.html
Is this John Cobham possibly the same person as the John de Cobham who married Joan Beauchamp?
Thanks for any pointers
CB
John Ravilious
Hello CB,
It is possible that the Elizabeth Cobham shown in the table you mentioned
is a daughter of Sir John Cobham, 2nd Lord Cobham and his wife Joan Beauchamp;
however, the table has at least two errors, in that
1) The 2nd Lord Cobham died (per my notes) 25 Feb 1354; his son was
summoned to Parliament from 20 Sep 1355, and was in fact the
3rd Lord Cobham;
2) The fact that this son became the 3rd Lord Cobham means that any
sister would not have been regarded as 'co-heiress'.
She also could not have been a daughter of the 3rd Lord Cobham at any
rate, as he died 10 Jan 1407/08, and was succeeded by the descendant of his
only daughter, Joan Cobham (married to John de la Pole).
The arms shown in the table are those of Cobham, Lord Cobham; perhaps the
John Cobham in question was in fact a cousin. A comparison to the pedigree of
Cobham in the Visitation record (presuming its inclusion in the Kent volume)
might well help identify this individual.
Good luck, and good hunting.
John
Thanks for any pointers
CB
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mthi...@swbell.net writes:
<< Magna Charta Surety William Malet II is also an ancestor of Col John
Washington according to the Magna Charta website. Does anyone have the line
of descent ?
malinda
>>
I do not have that line but do have several to Princess Diana:
Direct Descendants of William Malet
1 William Malet b: Abt. 1170 d: Abt. 1216
2 Mabel Malet
... +Hugh de Vivonne d: Bef. 1250
3 William de Vivonne b: in of Vivonne, Poitou, FRA d: 22 May 1259
... +Maud de Ferrers b: Abt. 1230 d: 12 March 1298/99
4 Cecily de Vivonne b: 1257 d: 10 January 1320/21 in Stoke under
Hamden, SOM, ENG
... +John de Beauchamp b: in of Hatch Beauchamp, SOM, ENG d: 24
October 1283 in Hatch Beauchamp, SOM, ENG
5 John de Beauchamp b: 27 July 1274 in of Hache, SOM, ENG d: 01
January 1336/37
... +Joan d: 09 February 1326/27
6 Joan de Beauchamp d: Aft. 1343
... +John de Cobham m: 1314 d: 25 February 1354/55
7 John de Cobham d: 10 January 1407/08
... +Margaret de Courtenay m: Abt. 1332 d: 02 August 1385
8 Joan Cobham d: Abt. 1388
... +John de la Pole m: Abt. 31 October 1362
9 Joan de la Pole d: 13 January 1433/34
... +Reginald Braybrooke b: Abt. 1356 m: Bef. 1405 d: 20
September 1405 in Middleburg on the Scheldt
10 Nicole Braybrooke b: 1386 d: 1411
... +Thomas Chaworth, Sir b: 1385 m: Bef. 1411 d: 17 February 1458/59
11 Elizabeth Chaworth
... +[1] John le Scrope d: 15 November 1455
12 Elizabeth le Scrope d: Aft. 1497
... +Henry Le Scrope, Sir b: 04 June 1418 d: 14 January 1458/59
13 Elizabeth Scrope d: 31 May 1503
... +Oliver St. John, Sir b: in of Lydiard Tregoz, co. Wilts, ENG m:
Aft. 1471 d: Abt. 1496
14 John St. John b: 1473 d: 1512
... +Jane Iwardby
15 John St. John b: 1505 d: 1576
... +Margaret Carew
16 Nicholas St. John b: 1526 d: 1589
... +Elizabeth Blount
17 Elizabeth St. John
... +Richard St. George, Sir
18 George St. George, Adm. b: 1583 d: 1660
... +Catherine Gifford
19 Mary St. George d: 05 November 1701
... +Richard Coote, Sir d: 10 July 1683
20 Letitia Coote
... +Robert Molesworth b: 1656 d: 1725
21 Richard Molesworth
... +Mary Jenney Usher
22 Louisa Molesworth
... +William Brabazon Ponsonby b: 1744 d: 1806
23 Mary Elizabeth Ponsonby b: 1776 d: 1861
... +Charles Grey b: 1764 d: 1845
24 Elizabeth Grey b: 1798 d: 08 November 1880
... +John Crocker Bulteel b: in of Flete & Lyneham, DEV, ENG m: 1826
d: 10 September 1843
25 Louisa Emily Charlotte Bulteel b: 1839 d: 16 October 1892 in
Membland, DEV
... +Edward Charles Baring, Sir b: 13 April 1828 m: 30 April 1861 in
St. Paul's, Knightsbridge d: 17 July 1897 in London, ENG
26 Margaret Baring b: 14 December 1868 in London, ENG d: 04
July 1906 in London, ENG
... +Charles Robert Spencer, Sir b: 30 October 1857 m: 25 July 1887
in St. James's, Picadilly, London, ENG d: 26 September 1922 in London, ENG
27 [3] Albert Edward John Spencer, Sir b: 23 May 1892 in London, ENG
d: 09 June 1975 in Northampton, ENG
... +[2] Cynthia Eleanor Beatrix Hamilton b: 1897 m: 26 February 1919
in London, ENG d: 04 December 1972 in Althorp, ENG
28 [4] Edward John Spencer, Sir b: 24 January 1924 in Sussex
Square, London, ENG d: 29 March 1992 in London, ENG
... +[5] Frances Ruth Burke Roche b: 20 January 1936 in Park House,
Sandringham, ENG m: 01 June 1954 in Westminster Abbey, London, ENG
29 [6] Diana Frances Spencer b: 01 July 1961 in Park House,
Sandringham, ENG d: 31 August 1997 in Paris, FRA
... +[1] John le Scrope m: Bef. 24 August 1418 d: 15 November 1455
6 John de Beauchamp b: Abt. 1306 d: 14 May 1343
... +Margaret St. John d: 19 November 1361
7 Cecily de Beauchamp b: Abt. 1321 d: 07 June 1394
... +Roger de Seymour b: Abt. 1308
8 William de Seymour b: Abt. 1344 d: 25 August 1391
... +Margaret de Brockbury
9 Roger Seymour b: Abt. 1368 d: Bef. September 1420
... +Maud Esturmy b: Abt. 1383
10 John Seymour, Sir b: Abt. 1401 d: 20 December 1464
... +Isabel William m: 30 July 1424 d: 14 April 1485
11 John Seymour b: in of Wolf Hall, Savernake, Wilts, ENG
d: 1463
... +Elizabeth Coker b: in of Lawrence Lydiard, SOM, ENG d: 1472
12 John Seymour
... +Elizabeth Darrell
13 John Seymour, Sir b: 1476 in Of Wolf Hall, WIL, ENG d: 21
December 1536
... +Marjery Wentworth d: October 1550
14 Edward Seymour, Sir b: Abt. 1500 d: 22 January 1551/52
... +Anne Stanhope b: 1497 m: Bef. 09 March 1534/35 d: 1587
15 Edward Seymour, Sir b: in of Hertford
... +Catherine Grey b: 1539 m: 1560 d: 1568
16 Edward Seymour b: 1561 d: 1612
... +Honora Rogers m: Abt. 1582
17 William Seymour b: 1587 d: 1660
... +Frances Devereux d: 23 November 1679
18 Henry Seymour b: Abt. 1626 d: Abt. 1654
... +Mary Capell b: Bef. 16 December 1630 in Hadham Parva, HRT, ENG
m: 1648 d: 07 January 1714/15 in Chelsea
19 Elizabeth Seymour d: 12 January 1696/97
... +Thomas Bruce b: Abt. 1656 m: 1676 d: November 1741
20 Elizabeth Bruce d: December 1745
... +George Brudenell m: 1707 d: 05 July 1732
21 Robert Brudenell, Hon.
... +Anne Bisshopp m: 1759 d: 1803
22 Robert Brudenell
... +Penelope Anne Cooke
23 Anne Brudenell b: 29 June 1809 d: 02 April 1877
... +George Charles Bingham b: 16 April 1800 m: 21 February 1829 in
Marylebone, ENG d: 10 November 1888
24 George Bingham, Sir b: 08 May 1830 d: 05 June 1914 in Laleham
... +Cecelia Catherine Gordon-Lennox m: 17 November 1859 in
London, ENG d: 05 October 1910 in London, ENG
25 Rosalind Cecilia Caroline Bingham b: 26 February 1869 in
London, ENG d: 18 January 1958 in London, ENG
... +James Albert Edward Hamilton, Sir b: 30 November 1869 in Hamilton
Place, Picadilly, London, ENG m: 01 November 1894 in London, ENG d: 12
September 1953 in London, ENG
26 [2] Cynthia Eleanor Beatrix Hamilton b: 1897 d: 04
December 1972 in Althorp, ENG
... +[3] Albert Edward John Spencer, Sir b: 23 May 1892 in London, ENG
m: 26 February 1919 in London, ENG d: 09 June 1975 in Northampton, ENG
27 [4] Edward John Spencer, Sir b: 24 January 1924 in Sussex
Square, London, ENG d: 29 March 1992 in London, ENG
... +[5] Frances Ruth Burke Roche b: 20 January 1936 in Park House,
Sandringham, ENG m: 01 June 1954 in Westminster Abbey, London, ENG
28 [6] Diana Frances Spencer b: 01 July 1961 in Park House,
Sandringham, ENG d: 31 August 1997 in Paris, FRA
Always optimistic--Dave
Janet Denham
Ed Mann
>
> Concerning the following:
>
> > 6.Joan Beauchamp, b. 1305 d. 1343
> > +John de Cobham, 2nd Lord Cobham
> >
>
> see http://freespace.virgin.net/ecliptica.ww/meet_the_ancestors/waldegrave_pedigree.html
>
> Is this John Cobham possibly the same person as the John de Cobham who married Joan Beauchamp?
Doesn't seem likely - I have nothing on your John.