de Ayala, Gomez de Toledo, Spain
Marin-Guzman
> From: "D. Spencer Hines" <D._Spence...@aya.yale.edu>
> To: GEN-MED...@rootsweb.com
> Subject: Re: de Ayala, Gomez of Toledo, Spain
> What more do we know about her ancestry?
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Argote de Molina in his "Nobleza de Andalucia" - 1588, gives the following
origins of the family:
Vela de Aragon, Infante of Aragon, m unknown (a dau. of Ortun Garcia Vaca)
and had a number of sons:
Sancho Velazquez, 1st señor de Ayala, (to whom the valley of Ayala was
granted, in 1074, by King Alfonso VI of Castile & Leon), Vela Velazquez
(s.p.) and Galindo Velazquez,
Sancho Velazquez had two sons:
Lope Sanchez de Ayala, 2nd señor de Ayala, and Diego Sanchez de Ayala
Lope Sanchez de Ayala had a son:
Galindo Velazquez de Ayala, 3rd señor de Ayala
Galindo Velazquez de Ayala m Maria de Salzedo (dau. of Rubio de Arangutia,
gdau. of Count Novoña de Asturias) and had a son:
Garcia Galindez de Salzedo, 4th señor de Ayala
Garcia Galindez de Salzedo m Alberta Sanz (dau. of Garcia señor de Zurbano,
gdau. of Garcia Sanz de Horozco, ggdau. of Sancho señor de Vizcaya) and had
in her 3 sons:
Pedro Garcia de Sornosa, señor de Sornosa, San Garcia de Salzedo, 5th señor
de Ayala, and Garcia "el Tuerto", señor de Basurto
San Garcia de Salzedo m Maria Yañez de Piedrola (dau. of Count Nuño, gdau.
of Iñigo de Mendoza, ggdau. of Sancho de Vizcaya) and their children were:
Maria de Salzedo, Ortun Sanz de Salzedo, Rodrigo Sanz de Salzedo (s.p.) and
Berenguela Lopez de Salzedo
Ortun Sanz de Salzedo m Maria Sanz de Mendoza (sister of Pedro Hurtado de
Mendoza) who died giving birth to:
San Garcia de Salzedo (s.p.l.)
Ortun Sanz de Salzedo did not marry again, however he had five illegitimate
sons:
Pedro Espina de Mariaca, Sancho Ortiz Marroqui, Lope Sanchez de Cordejuela,
Ortun Ortiz Calderon & Lope Sanchez de Perea, and two illegitimate
daughters.
San Garcia de Salzedo (s.p.l.) had an illegitimate son:
Juan Sanz Chicubin
When San Garcia de Salzedo died, the Ayala title passed to the descendants
of Pedro Velaz de Guevara who m2 Maria de Salzedo (dau. of San Garcia de
Salzedo & Maria Yañez de Piedrola).
Maria de Salzedo and Pedro Velaz de Guevara had one son:
Sancho Perez de Gamboa.
Pedro Velaz de Guevara also had in his first wife another son:
Ladron
Sancho Perez de Gamboa m Andrea Diaz de Mena (dau. of Dia Sanchez de Mena, a
descendant of Dia Sanchez de Ayala) and had one daughter:
Elvira Sanchez
Elvira Sanchez m Pedro Lopez de Ayala (son of Lope "el Chico", gson of Lope
Diaz de Haro & Maria Sanz de Unza y Ayala) and had a son:
Sancho Lopez de Ayala (also known as Sancho Lopez Motila)
Sancho Lopez de Ayala m Aldonza de Velasco (dau. of Dia Sanchez de Velasco)
and were the parents of:
Pero Lopez de Ayala, 7th señor de Ayala
Pero Lopez de Ayala m Sancha Fernandez Barroso (believed by some to have
been the dau. of Fernan Perez de Velasco & Maria de Soto Mayor, and by
others the sister of Pero Lopez Barroso, Archbishop of Toledo, and gdau. of
Pero Gomez Barroso & Chamorra Fernandez de Azevedo) and they had a son who
inherited the house of Ayala:
Sancho Perez de Ayala (s.p.m.), 8th señor de Ayala
After Sancho Perez de Ayala (s.p.m.) the title passed to Fernan Perez de
Ayala (1305-1385), 9th señor de Ayala
Fernan Perez de Ayala m Elvira Alvarez de Zavallos (dau. of Diego Gutierrez
de Zavallos & Juana Garcia Carrillo) and had the following children:
Pero Lopez de Ayala, 10th señor de Ayala, Diego Lopez de Ayala, Juan Sanchez
de Ayala, Ines Alfonso de Ayala, Mencia de Ayala, Juana Garcia, Sancha
Fernandez, Aldonza Fernandez, Leonor Fernandez and Elvira de Ayala.
Pero Lopez de Ayala m Leonor de Guzman (dau. of Pedro Xuarez de Toledo &
Maria de Guzman) and had in her:
Pero Lopez de Ayala, Elvira de Ayala, Maria de Ayala, Sancha de Ayala and
Maria Mayor de Ayala.
Ines Alfonso de Ayala, dau. of Fernan Perez de Ayala & Elvira Alvarez de
Zavallos, m Diego Gomez, they had :
Pedro Suarez Gomez de Ayala and Sancha de Ayala.
Etc., etc.
Pedro Marin-Guzman
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SOURCE:
Gonzalo Argote de Molina, "Nobleza de Andalucia", Sevilla 1588, ed. Enrique
Toral Peñaranda, Jaen 1991.
(Argote de Molina quotes, for the most part, Pero Lopez de Ayala, Esteban de
Garibay and Martin Lopez de Lezana.)
Todd A. Farmerie
>
> Argote de Molina in his "Nobleza de Andalucia" - 1588, gives the following
> origins of the family:
These early generations are problematic. Perhaps the best
analysis of these early people is Balparda's work.
> Vela de Aragon, Infante of Aragon, m unknown (a dau. of Ortun Garcia Vaca)
> and had a number of sons:
He was NOT Infante of Aragon, as he lived before Aragon became a
Kingdom. His sons were trusted vassals of the Kings of Viguera,
and this relationship perhaps evolved into a royal descent, where
none can be shown to have existed.
> Sancho Velazquez, 1st señor de Ayala, (to whom the valley of Ayala was
> granted, in 1074, by King Alfonso VI of Castile & Leon), Vela Velazquez
> (s.p.) and Galindo Velazquez,
These individuals are modeled after brothers who, as I said, were
vassals of the King of Viguera, and as such, of his overlord,
Sancho el Mayor of Navarre. They were implicated in the death of
Garci Sanchez of Castile. (Note that they have slipped in time.)
Where exactly the later Ayala lineage plugs into these brothers
is not certain.
[snip]
> Garcia Galindez de Salzedo m Alberta Sanz (dau. of Garcia señor de Zurbano,
> gdau. of Garcia Sanz de Horozco, ggdau. of Sancho señor de Vizcaya) and had
> in her 3 sons:
This marriage is problematic, as it violates the system of
patronymics, and recent work on theVIscaya show no such descent.
> Sancho Perez de Gamboa m Andrea Diaz de Mena (dau. of Dia Sanchez de Mena, a
> descendant of Dia Sanchez de Ayala) and had one daughter:
> Elvira Sanchez
This is traditional, but there is no Dia Sanchez de Ayala in the
Ayala pedigree.
> Elvira Sanchez m Pedro Lopez de Ayala (son of Lope "el Chico", gson of Lope
> Diaz de Haro & Maria Sanz de Unza y Ayala) and had a son:
> Sancho Lopez de Ayala (also known as Sancho Lopez Motila)
Salazar y Castro studies this, and concluded that Pedero Lopez de
Ayala was not son of Lope el Chico, but a distant cousin. That
being said, the connection of the Ayala line to the earlier Haro
line cannot be supported, so for the time being, they cannot be
considered scions of Haro at all.
> Sancho Lopez de Ayala m Aldonza de Velasco (dau. of Dia Sanchez de Velasco)
> and were the parents of:
> Pero Lopez de Ayala, 7th señor de Ayala
Salazar y Castro concludes she was named Velascuri, not Velasco.
> Pero Lopez de Ayala m Sancha Fernandez Barroso (believed by some to have
> been the dau. of Fernan Perez de Velasco & Maria de Soto Mayor, and by
> others the sister of Pero Lopez Barroso, Archbishop of Toledo, and gdau. of
> Pero Gomez Barroso & Chamorra Fernandez de Azevedo) and they had a son who
> inherited the house of Ayala:
> Sancho Perez de Ayala (s.p.m.), 8th señor de Ayala
This is well documented. Sancha Fernandez was daughter of Fernan
Peres Barroso (by Mencia Garces de Sotomayor), and granddaughter
of Pedro Gomes Barroso.
> After Sancho Perez de Ayala (s.p.m.) the title passed to Fernan Perez de
> Ayala (1305-1385), 9th señor de Ayala
(who was brother of Sancho)
taf
Nat Taylor
<farm...@interfold.com> wrote:
>Marin-Guzman wrote:
>>
>> Argote de Molina in his "Nobleza de Andalucia" - 1588, gives the following
>> origins of the family:
>
>These early generations are problematic. Perhaps the best
>analysis of these early people is Balparda's work.
>
>> Vela de Aragon, Infante of Aragon, m unknown (a dau. of Ortun Garcia Vaca)
>> and had a number of sons:
I would only add to this that the account in Argote de Molina is derived
ultimately from Fernan Perez / Pero Lopez de Ayala's memoir. The
traditional ascent of the Ayala family is corrected to some extent in Luís
de Salazar y Castro's manuscript _Historia genealógica de la casa de
Haro_, of which a relevant part is published as _Historia genealógica de
la casa de Haro: Señores de Llodio, Mendoza, Orozco y Ayala_ (Archivo
documental español, 15, Madrid, 1959).
Nat Taylor
Todd A. Farmerie
>
> > From: "Todd A. Farmerie" <farm...@interfold.com>
> >
> > These individuals are modeled after brothers who, as I said, were
> > vassals of the King of Viguera, and as such, of his overlord,
> > Sancho el Mayor of Navarre. They were implicated in the death of
> > Garci Sanchez of Castile. (Note that they have slipped in time.)
> > Where exactly the later Ayala lineage plugs into these brothers
> > is not certain.
>
> of Castile: Garcia II (1008-1032), nephew of the king of Navarra and married
> to the King's daughter, assasinated by the older of the two Velas brothers,
> or someone else altogether? (I'm just trying to get a fix on the dates.)
Yes. As I said, Balparda discusses them.
> >> Garcia Galindez de Salzedo m Alberta Sanz (dau. of Garcia señor de Zurbano,
> >> gdau. of Garcia Sanz de Horozco, ggdau. of Sancho señor de Vizcaya) and had
> >> in her 3 sons:
> >
> > This marriage is problematic, as it violates the system of
> > patronymics, and recent work on the Viscaya show no such descent.
>
> ----------------------- I can appreciate what you are saying, still, Argote
> de Molina quotes this couple as being responsible for founding the
> monasteries at San Juan de Quixana, San Roman de Ocuendo, San Roman de
> Orozco & San Vicente de Obando, so there should be enough documentation to
> substantiate the claim of whom they were.
I should have been more clear. It is not the marriage itself
that is questionable, but Alberta's ancestry. It could be that
this particular family was one of the earliest ones to abandon
the use of the factual patronymic (as, it would appear, were the
Carrillo clan), or that Argote fell into the trap of later
spanish historians, such as the brothers Garcia Carraffa, in not
recognizing the strictness with which this system was applied in
early years. That doesn't address, however, the other problem,
which is that there is no place for Garcia Sanz de Horozco in the
first dynasty of Vizcaya-Orozco, as reconstructed by Salazar y
Castro, who certainly had access to the same sources as Argote,
and has been followed by more recent authors.
taf
D. Spencer Hines
So, when all is said and done, what about the validity of this
Ahnenreihe?
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Ancestors of Doña Sancha de AYALA - 1 Mar 2001
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FIRST GENERATION
1. Doña Sancha de AYALA was born about 1360 in Toledo, New Castile,
Spain. She died in 1418 in Newark, Leicester, England. She was buried
in St. Mary's, Newark, Leicester, England.
SECOND GENERATION
2. Don Diego Gomez of Toledo was born about 1334. He was married to
Inez Alfons de AYALA.
[N.B. "Of Toledo", but "de Toledo" is not part of his name?] [1]
3. Inez Alfons de AYALA was born in 1338. Don Diego Gomez of Toledo
and Inez Alfons de AYALA had the following children:
i. Pedro Suares Gomez de AYALA was born in 1356.
1 ii. Doña Sancha de AYALA.
THIRD GENERATION
4. Gomez Peres of Toledo was born in 1308. He was married to Ines
Garcia of Toledo.
Vide Note # 1, supra.
5. Ines Garcia of Toledo. Gomez Peres of Toledo and Ines Garcia of
Toledo had the following children:
Vide Note # 1, supra.
2 i. Don Diego Gomez of Toledo.
Vide Note # 1, supra.
6. Fernan Peres de AYALA was born in 1306. He died in 1385. He was
married to Elvira Alvarez de ZAVALLOS in 1331.
7. Elvira Alvarez de ZAVALLOS was born in 1310. Fernan Peres de AYALA
and Elvira Alvarez de ZAVALLOS had the following children:
i. Pedro Lopez de AYALA was born in 1332. He died in 1407.
3 ii. Inez Alfons de AYALA.
FOURTH GENERATION
8. Fernan Gomez of Toledo was born in 1282. He was married to Teresa
Vasquez de ACUÑA in 1307.
Vide Note # 1, supra. Same logic with Acuña?
9. Teresa Vasquez de ACUÑA was born in 1285. Fernan Gomez of Toledo
and Teresa Vasquez de ACUÑA had the following children:
4 i. Gomez Peres of Toledo.
12. Pero 'Pedro' Lopez de AYALA was born in 1278. He died in Murcia,
España. He was married to Sancha Fernandes de BARROSO in 1303.
13. Sancha Fernandes de BARROSO was born in 1282. Pero 'Pedro' Lopez
de AYALA and Sancha Fernandes de BARROSO had the following children:
i. Sancho Perez de AYALA was born in 1304.
6 ii. Fernan Peres de AYALA.
FIFTH GENERATION
24. Sancho Lopez de AYALA was born in 1246. He was married to Doña
Aldonca de VELASCO in 1277.
25. Doña Aldonca de VELASCO was born in 1250. Sancho Lopez de AYALA
and Doña Aldonca de VELASCO had the following children:
12 i. Pero 'Pedro' Lopez de AYALA.
[N.B. And this last, the sixth, generation is bogus?]
SIXTH GENERATION
48. Lope 'El Chico' Ruys de AYALA was born in 1182. He died in 1253.
He was married to Berenguela Gonzales de GIRO in 1213.
49. Berenguela Gonzales de GIRO was born in 1186. Lope 'El Chico' Ruys
de AYALA and Berenguela Gonzales de GIRO had the following children:
24 i. Sancho Lopez de AYALA.
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Can we carry this back further?
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