Neville
Leo van de Pas
I think your question really belongs in gen-medieval.
Yes, you are quite right. The King Maker had a brother George, Archbishop
of York, born in 1433, died 8 June 1478 in Blyth, buried in York Cathedral.
There is a possibility/probability
that he fathered a daughter, Alice, who married Thomas Tunstall and they
had children.
Sources : Hampton, Memorials page 103, and "the Visitation of Yorkshire
1563-64". I have neither, but I quote from "Cahiers de Saint Louis", page
923.
Hope this helps,
Leo van de Pas
At 09:37 PM 11/13/98 -0600, you wrote:
>Does anyone have any history on family of Richard Earl of Warwick has a
>bro George. Looking for a connection Ralph Neville Earl of Westmoreland
>married margaret stafford daughter Matilda Neville Thanks Gail
>
>
Leo van de Pas
>>Does anyone have any history on family of Richard Earl of Warwick has a
>>bro George. Looking for a connection Ralph Neville Earl of Westmoreland
>>married margaret stafford daughter Matilda Neville Thanks Gail
Sorry to say this, but your question is not very clear.
Whom are you after? George or Matilda? The Earl of Westmorland and Margaret
Stafford (as far as I can see) do not have a daughter Matilda. They have a
daughter Maud who married a Peter Mauley. At present I have not entered all
the Nevills into my computer (I do already have quite a few) but I have not
found any Matildas as yet. Do you have a spouse for Matilda?
Best wishes
Leo van de Pas
Alex Polenov
He waas named as Lewell at the start. Later he appeared as major Neville.
Alex
G . EDWARD ALLEN
Leo van de Pas
>X-Envelope-To: <leov...@iinet.net.au>
>Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 12:43:42 -0800
>From: "G . EDWARD ALLEN" <all...@pacbell.net>
>X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02E (Win95; I)
>To: Leo van de Pas <leov...@iinet.net.au>
>CC: GEN-MED...@rootsweb.com
>Subject: Re: Neville
it can be very difficult (I am not being facetious) to ask a clear
question. Gail should have
added that 'her' Matilda married a Mr.Godard and this might have jolted
more people into helping her. To help her I would like to add what she told
me:
Matilda Neville married a Mr. Godard, their daughter Agnes Godard married a
Mr. Stappleton (? not Stapleton?) and they had a daughter Elizabeth
Stappleton who married a Mr. Plumpton. Sadly she didn't give first names to
these males either. I had a look in my collection but cannot find anything
linking these names. Please, if you can, answer
Gail Hopkins gh...@one.net
United we stand and maybe we can turn Gails shrub into a tree.
Leo van de Pas
Alan B. Wilson
Richard Neville, Earl of Warwick, was a grandson of Ralph Neville,
Earl of Westmorland. See, e.g., Complete Peerage, xii(2), p. 562; or
Faris, pp. 193-194.
Margaret = (1)Ralph Neville(2) = Joan
Stafford | Earl of Westmorland | Beaufort
| |
9 children Richard Neville = Alice
Earl of Salisbury | de Montagu
|
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Richard Neville George Neville
Earl of Warwick Lord of Latimer
I have the following ancestry for Isabel Plumpton:
First Generation
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1 Isabel PLUMPTON.[188],[193]
On 24 Mar 1446/1447 Isabel married Sir Stephen HAMERTON [188],[193].[193]
Second Generation
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2 William PLUMPTON Sir.[188] Born on 7 Oct 1404. Of Plumpton (Yorks)
England.[193],[188] William died on 15 Oct 1480; he was 76.[193]
In 1451 when William was 46, he married Elizabeth STAPLETON[188].[193]
3 Elizabeth STAPLETON.[188]
Third Generation
‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹
4 Robert PLUMPTON Sir.[193] Of Plumpton (Yorks) England.[193] Robert died
on 8 Dec 1421.[193] Buried in Plumpton Quire, Spofforth church.[193]
On 14 Jan 1392/1393, he married Alice FOLJAMBE.[193]
5 Alice FOLJAMBE. Alice died bef 1416.[193] Buried in Spofforth.[193]
6 Brian STAPLETON Sir.[188],[193] Born in 1384/1387. Of
Carleton.[193],[188] Brian died in Normandy in 1418; he was 34.[193]
7 Agatha / Agnes GODDARD.[188],[193]
Fourth Generation
‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹
8 William PLUMPTON Sir.[193] William died in 1405, beheaded.[193] Buried
in Spofforth (Yorks) England.[193]
9 Alice GISBURN.[193] Alice died ca 1423.[193]
10 Godfrey FOLJAMBE Sir.[193] Of Hassop (Derby) England.[193] Buried in
Bakewell.[193]
11 Isabel LECKE.[193]
12 Brian STAPLETON.[41, i, 98-102],[193] Born in of Carleton (Yorks).[193]
Brian died in 1391, o.v.p.[193]
13 Elizabeth ALDEBURGH.[41, i, 98-102],[193] Born bef 1365.[41] Elizabeth
died on 21 Dec 1417; she was 52.[41]
14 John GODDARD.[188],[193] High sheriff of Yorks.[193]
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peerage of England, Scotland, Ireland, and the United Kingdon, London: The
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Yorkshire. Vol. I - West Riding; vil. II - North and East Riding,
London: W. Wilfred Head, Plough Court, Fetter Lane, 1874.
I do not have the wife of John Goddard, mother of Agatha/Agnes
Goddard. If she should be Maud/Matilda Neville, daughter of Ralph Neville
and Margaret Stafford, the connection would be made. In the Complete
Peerage, xii(2), p. 547, n. h, it indicates that Westmorland's 23 children
are listed in Genealogist, N.S., vol. iii, pp. 109-110. We should look
that up to see whether one is a Maud who married John Goddard. Or does
someone know?
--
Alan B. Wilson
abwi...@uclink4.berkeley.edu
Leo van de Pas
>
>1. John, m, Eliz dau of Thos Holland, earl of Kent
>2. Ralph m. Mary dau of Robert baron Ferrers
>3. Matilda. m. Peter, lord Manley
>4. Philippa m. Thomas, lord Dacre
>5. Alice, m. (1) Sir Thos Grey and (2) Sir Gilbert lancaster
>6. Elizabeth, a nun in the Minories
>7. Anne, m. Sir Gilbert Umfreville
>8. Margaret, m.(1) Richrd, lord Scrope and (2) William Cressener
>9. Anastasia
>
>--
>Tim Powys-Lybbe t...@southfrm.demon.co.uk
This is what I have , I am not certain of the order:
Lady Margaret Stafford
died in 1395
married Ralph Nevill, 1st Earl of Westmoreland
their children:
1.Sir John Nevill
born circa 1387, died 20 May 1420
marriage contract 29 August 1394 Brancepeth
Lady Elizabeth de Holand
daughter of Thomas de Holand, 2nd Earl of Kent
and Lady Alice Fitzalan
died 4 January 1423, buried London, Grey Friars
2.Sir Ralph Nevill
died circa 26 February 1458
married Mary Ferrers, Lady of Oversley
daughter of Robert Ferrers, 2nd Lord Ferrers
and Joan Beaufort
born circa 1394, died 25 January 1457/1458
3.Lady Maud Nevill
married Peter Mauley
4.Lady Philippa Nevill
died before 1457
married Thomas Dacre, Baron Dacre of Gilsland
son of William, Lord Dacre and Joan (Douglas ?)
5.Lady Alice Nevill
married Sir Thomas Grey, of Werke
son of Sir Thomas Grey, of Heaton and Catherine/Jane
de Mowbray
executed 5 August 1415
6.Lady Margaret Nevill
died 1463
married (1) before 31 December 1413
Richard Scrope, 3rd Lord Scrope, of Bolton
son of Roger Scrope, 2nd Lord Scrope and Margaret Tibetot
born 31 May 1394, died 29 August 1420 Rouen
married (2)
William Cressener
7.Lady Anne Nevill
married Sir Gilbert Umfravill
8.Lady Margaret Nevill
Abbess of Barkin
9.Lady Elizabeth Nevill
Nun
Sources :
A Genealogical History of the dormant, abeyant, forfeited
and extinct peerages of the British Empire
London, 1866 by Sir Bernard Burke
Burke's Guide to the Royal Family
London, 1973
Cahiers de Saint Louis
Living descendants of Blood Royal in America
by Count d'Angerville
Americans of Royal Descent
7th Edition, Baltimore, 1969
by Charles H. Browning
There doesn't seem to be a link for Gail.
Alex Polenov
> Earl of Westmorland. See, e.g., Complete Peerage, xii(2), p. 562; or
> Faris, pp. 193-194.
BTW this type of gettable looks much better than others:
> Margaret = (1)Ralph Neville(2) = Joan
> Stafford | Earl of Westmorland | Beaufort
> | |
> 9 children Richard Neville = Alice
> Earl of Salisbury | de Montagu
> |
> +++++++++++++++++++++++++
Alan B. Wilson
snip
>
> There doesn't seem to be a link for Gail.
> Best wishes
> Leo van de Pas
Gail Hopkins indicates in an e-mail letter that she is interested in
Agnes Plumpton, dau. of an unnamed Plumpton and Elizabeth Stapleton.
Foster [193] in his pedigree of Plumton, of Plumpton (Yorks), shows:
William Plumpton=Elizabeth Stapleton
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Stephen Hamerton=Isabel Richard Aldborough=Agnes
While we have not found a link between these folk and Ralph Neville,
Earl of Westmorland, Agnes and Isabel Plumpton certainly share a noble
Carolingian ancestry.
1 Isabel PLUMPTON.[188],[193] {or Agnes PLUMPTON.[193]}
2 William PLUMPTON Sir.[188] William died on 15 Oct 1480.[193]
3 Elizabeth STAPLETON.[188]
4 Robert PLUMPTON Sir.[193] Robert died on 8 Dec 1421.[193]
6 Brian STAPLETON Sir.[188],[193] Brian died in Normandy in 1418.[193]
8 William PLUMPTON Sir.[193] William died in 1405 in beheaded.[193]
12 Brian STAPLETON.[41, i, 98-102],[193] Brian died in 1391 o.v.p.[193]
16 Robert PLUMPTON Sir.[193] Robert died in 1407.[193]
24 Brian de STAPLETON Sir.[193]
32 William de PLUMPTON Sir.[74],[193],[90, p. 330] William de died in 1362.[193]
48 Gilbert de STAPLETON Sir.[193] Gilbert died bef 1327.[193]
49 Agnes / Maud FitzALAN.[193] Agnes / Maud died bef 3 Nov 1348.[41]
65 Lucy de ROS.[74],[193],[90, p. 330] Lucy died aft 1332.[193]
97 Isabel / Sibyl de BELEWE.[41],[353, p. 78] Isabel / Sibyl died bef
1301.[353, p. 78 +]
98 Brian fitz Alan Sir.[41],[193] Brian died on 1 Jun 1306.[41]
130 Sir William de ROS.[74],[193],[90, p. 330] William died ca 28 May 1310.[74]
195 Laderane de BRUS.[41],[353, p. 78]
196 Alan fitz Brian.[41] Alan died bef 17 May 1267.[41]
260 Sir William I de ROS.[41],[74],[75],[90, p. 330] William I died ? 1264.[41]
261 Lucia FitzPIERS.[41],[90, p. 330] Lucia died aft 1266.[41]
390 Peter II de BRUS.[74],[353, p. 57, 77] Peter II died in 1240.[353, p.
57, 77 +],[74, + (bef 1247)]
391 Hawise of Lancaster.[74],[353, p. 57]
392 Brian fitz Alan.[41] Brian died aft 17 Jul 1242.[41]
521 Isabel of Scotland Princess.[41],[75],[90, p. 330]
522 Piers FitzHERBERT.[74],[41, ix, 273] Piers died on 1 Jun 1235.[41, ix, 273]
523 Alice FitzROBERT.[74] Alice died bef 1225.
780 Peter I BRUS.[74],[353, p. 77] Peter I died on 12 Feb 1222.[74]
783 Hawise (Helewise) de Lancaster.[353, p. 57] Hawise (Helewise) died aft
Sep 1226.[74]
784 Alan fitz Brian.[41] Alan died in 1189.[41]
1042 William I "the Lion" King of Scotland.[74],[244],[90, p. 330] William
I died on 4 Dec 1214.[74]
1044 Herbert FitzHERBERT.[74],[353, p. 8] Herbert died bef Jun 1204.[353,
p. 8 + (1204)]
1046 Robert FitzRoger.[82, 391:02],[353, p. 150] Robert died in
1214.[82],[353, p. 150 +]
1561 Agnes d' AUMALE.[82, 353:13*],[233]
1566 William II de Lancaster Baron Kendal (Wstmrlnd).[74],[353, p. 57]
William II died in 1184.[74],[353, p. 57 +]
1568 Brian fitz Alan.[41]
2084 Henry of Huntingdon Earl.[82],[233],[368],[458, p. 56] Henry died on
12 Jun 1152.[233]
2085 Ada de WARENNE.[82] Ada died in 1178.[233]
2088 Herbert FitzHERBERT.[74] Herbert died bef 1156.[74]
2093 Alice de VERE.[82, 391:05],[223],[75, 156:1],[41, ix. App J,
115],[465] Alice died aft 1185.[41, ix. App J, 116 +]
3122 Stephen d' AUMALE comte.[82, 353:26->2085],[233],[411, p. 466]
Stephen died ca 1127.[233]
3133 Gundred de WARENNE.[41],[82, 463:07*],[233] Gundred died aft 1166.[233]
3136 Alain III of Brittany Duke.[82],[353] Alain III died on 15 Sep 1146.[233]
3137 Berthe of Brittany Duchess.[82],[233] Berthe died in 1158/1164.[233]
4168 David I "the Saint" King of Scotland.[83],[248],[458, pp. xiv,
56],[492, p. 297] David I died on 24 May 1153.[233],[82]
4169 Matilda of Huntingdon.[41],[82, 442:11*],[458, p. 56],[492, p. 297]
Matilda died in 1130/1131.[233]
4171 Isabel (Elizabeth) of Leicester de VERMANDOIS Countess.[233],[82,
926:05*] Isabel (Elizabeth) died bef Jul 1147.[41]
4177 Emma of Blois.[74]
4187 Adeliza (Alice) de CLARE.[82, 437:11*[495]],[223],[41, x, 198],[465]
Adeliza (Alice) died aft 1141.[41, x, 199 +]
6244 Eudes Count of Champagne.[82, 2085:02],[233],[411, p. 466] Eudes died
aft 1096.[233]
6245 Adelaide of Normandy.[151],[233],[411, p. 466],[458, p. 56],[376,
łNormandie˛ 17a, p. 132],[82, 423:07*] Adelaide died aft 1090.[233]
6267 Isabel (Elizabeth) of Leicester de VERMANDOIS Countess.[233],[82,
926:05*] Isabel (Elizabeth) died bef Jul 1147.[41]
6272 Stephen de Bretagne Count.[82, 488:06],[95] Stephen died in 1135/1136.[353]
6274 Conan III of Brittany Duke.[82],[233] Conan III died on 17 Sep 1148.[233]
6275 Mathilde of England Princess.[82]
8337 Margaret of England "St. Margaret".[233, ii, 78, 79],[74, 1:22],[75,
161:8],[73, pp. 30, 31],[248],[328, 10:21],[413, Table 3],[417],[376, pp.
75, 162],[151, 233:32],[104, pp. 6, 21],[82, 301:23*->406],[458, p.
xiv],[460, Table IX, p. xxx],[492, pp. 290, 297] Margaret died on 16 Nov
1093.[233, ii, 78, 89 +],[82],[73, p. 30 +],[74, 170:21 +]
8339 Judith of Lens.[41],[151],[126],[458, p. 56],[492, p. 296] Judith
died aft 1086.[151]
8342 Hugh Magnus de Crepi of France & Bur. Duke.[151],[82, 425:02*] Hugh
Magnus died on 18 Oct 1102.[405],[151]
8343 Adelaide de VERMANDOIS Countess.[82, 425:03*] Adelaide died on 28
Sep 1120/1124.[233],[82]
8354 Stephen Henry Count of Blois.[82],[151],[233],[455, p. 2] Stephen
Henry died on 27 May 1102.[233],[151]
8375 Adeliza de CLERMONT.[82, 437:23*->436:03*],[233],[455, p. 119]
12488 Stephen II Count of Champagne.[82, 2085:04] Stephen II died aft 1048.[233]
12490 Robert I "the Devil" Duke of Normandy.[233, ii, 46, 79; iii, 621,
635],[74, 121E:22; 121:23],[73, p. 13],[436],[411, p. 466],[458, p.
56],[376, łNormandie˛ 18, p. 132],[329, 19],[315, p. 270],[409, p.
342],[413, Tables 1, 2, 5, 6],[151, 89:31],[104, p. 6],[82, 403:02*[449]]
Robert I died on 22 Jul 1035 .[233, ii, 79 +],[226],[74, 121:23 +]
12534 Hugh Magnus de Crepi of France & Bur. Duke.[151],[82, 425:02*] Hugh
Magnus died on 18 Oct 1102.[405],[151]
12535 Adelaide de VERMANDOIS Countess.[82, 425:03*] Adelaide died on 28
Sep 1120/1124.[233],[82]
12544 Eudes of Penthievre Count.[82, 488:12],[236],[316] Eudes died in
1062.[233]
12548 Alan IV "Fergant" de Bretagne Duke.[74],[82],[233, ii, 76] Alan IV
died on 13 Oct 1119.[233]
12549 Ermengarde de Anjou.[74],[82],[233, ii, 76] Ermengarde died in
Jerusalem on 1 Jun 1146.[233, +@ ii, 76]
12550 Henry I "Beauclerc" King of England.[368, p. 222],[233, i, 95; ii,
75, 81, 82, 89; iii, 687, 689],[74, 33A:23; 121:25; 124:25],[75,
161:9],[73, p. 13],[84],[376, p. 132],[328, 11:2],[329, 25],[413, Tables
2, 3],[90, p. 387],[151, 89:29],[104, p. 6],[82, 301:10*[297]],[411, p.
466],[458, p. xiv],[460, Table IX, p. xxx],[376, łNormandie˛ 16b, p.
132],[492, pp. 290, 297, 299] Henry I died on 1 Dec 1135.[74],[84]
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