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John Watson
Mar 21, 2013, 9:06:06 PM3/21/13
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Dear all,
About ten years ago in this group there was a sometimes furious and
heated debate concerning Amy de Gaveston, illegitimate daughter of Sir
Piers de Gaveston, the favourite of Edward II. I have recently been
updating my records for Amy, and have come across one or two
contemporary records which were not mentioned in the previous debates,
so I thought that some here might be interested. Please note that in
these contemporary records, her name is variously given as Amy,
Amicia, Alina, and Anne.
Amy Gaveston must have been born before or shortly after Piers was
executed on 19 June 1312. In 1332, she was a damsel of Queen Philippa:
28 January 1332, Ratification of a grant, for life, by queen Philippa
to Amicia de Gavaston, her damsel, of the lands in Haveryng atte Boure
and elsewhere in the county of Essex, which escheated to the queen by
the forfeiture of Robert William.
Calendar of Patent Rolls, Edward 3, Vol. 2, p. 244
16 June 1332, Grant, for life, to Amy de Gaveston, damsel of the
chamber of queen Philippa, for service to the queen, of the manor of
Woghfeld, [Wokefield] co. Berks, an escheat by the forfeiture of Roger
de Mortuo Mari, late earl of March.
Calendar of Patent Rolls, Edward 3, Vol. 2, p. 306
Before 29 May 1334, Amy had married John son of Thomas de Dryby. They
are mentioned in the record of a fine made on that date:
remainder to "John, son of Thomas de Driby, and Amy, daughter of Peter
de Gauaston', and the heirs of their bodies". An abstract of the foot
of fine and an image of the original recently became available on
Chris Philips' excellent website:
http://www.medievalgenealogy.org.uk/fines/abstracts/CP_25_1_125_57.shtml#56
In 1338, John and Amy appear to have run into some kind of dispute
concerning the manor of Wokefield, Berkshire, and at that time John de
Dryby was in the king's service:
16 June 1338, To the bailiffs of Redyng of the abbot of Redyng. Order
not to put John de Driby in default for his absence on Thursday in
Easter week last, in the suit before them, which was before the
justices of the Bench between Edmund Danvers, demandant and John and
Alina his wife, tenants, concerning the manor of Wogthfeld, which suit
was adjourned by the justices according to the liberties granted to
the abbot by the king's progenitors, to be pleaded in his court,
because John was in the king's service by his order on that day. The
like to the same for John, under the name of the manor of Woghfeld. By
the same writ.
Calendar of Close Rolls, Edward III: volume 4: 1337-1339 (1900), pp.
497-8
Two days later the king gave them a licence to cut timber at the
manor:
18 June 1338, Whereas the king lately granted for life to Amy de
Gavaston the manor of Woghfeld, co. Berks, an escheat by the
forfeiture of Roger de Mortuo Mari, the king's enemy, he has granted
to John de Driby, who has now married her, and the said Amy licence to
fell trees in the woods of the manor at their will, and to apply the
moneys arising from the sale of these to their own use, and in
defending the right of the king and Amy in pleas moved against them
touching the manor.
Calendar of Patent Rolls, Edward 3, Vol, 4, p, 96
In 1340, the king granted the reversion of Wokefield to John Brocas:
12 June 1340, Mandate to John de Dryby and Anne his wife to attorn in
the usual manner to John Brocas for the services due from lands in
Wokefeld, which they hold for the life of Anne of the king's grant,
the king having granted the reversion of those lands to him in fee.
Calendar of Patent Rolls, Edward 3, Vol. 4, p. 529
In 1343, John de Driby was a yeoman of John of Gaunt and had respite
from knighthood:
20 May 1343, Pardon to John de Dryby, yeoman of the king's son John of
Gaunt, of 56s. 8d. of issues forfeit at which he was assessed for not
having taken the order of knighthood pursuant to the late
proclamation ; and respite to him from taking the order for three
years
Calendar of Patent Rolls, Edward 3, Vol. 6, p. 28
In late 1349, Thomas de Heriz and his wife Margaret had died (plague?)
and the wardship of their daughter Elizabeth was granted to John de
Driby:
6 November 1349, Grant to John de Driby of the wardship of the manor
of Gonaldeston, late of Thomas de Heriz, tenant in chief, to hold
until the lawful age of Elizabeth, daughter and heir of Thomas, with
her marriage or the forfeiture if she be married without licence of
the king or John, rendering for the wardship 40l. a year in the
wardrobe at Easter and Michaelmas by equal portions, and 100l. for the
marriage in moieties at Martinmas next and Easter following; and so
from heir to heir.
Calendar of Fine Rolls, Vol. 6, p. 178
Both John and Amy appear to have died shortly afterwards (plague?).
Amy may have died at the abbey of Beaulieu in Hampshire:
11 March 1351, Petronilla de Pagham, damsel, by reason of her good
service to the king's daughter, the lady of Ulster, is sent to the
abbot and convent of Beaulieu to receive such maintenance from that
house for life as Amy de Dreby, deceased, had there at the king's
request.
Calendar of Close Rolls, Edward III: volume 9: 1349-1354 (1906), p.
352
John son of John de Dryby and Amy married Elizabeth de Heriz, his
father's ward:
30 November 1353, To John Waleys, escheator in the county of
Nottingham. Order to take the fealty of John son of John de Drieby in
accordance with the form of a schedule enclosed, and to cause him and
Elizabeth his wife, daughter and heir of Thomas de Heriz, tenant in
chief, to have seisin of all the lands whereof Thomas was seised at
his death, as Elizabeth has proved her age before the escheator.
Calendar of Close Rolls, Edward III: volume 9: 1349-1354 (1906), p.
570
John de Dryby was living in 1357 when he had respite from knighthood:
30 June 1357, Pardon to John de Driby for not having taken the order
of knighthood pursuant to the king's proclamation, and grant to him
that he shall not be distrained to take the order, that he shall not
be put on assizes, juries or recognitions and that he shall not be
made mayor, sheriff, escheator, coroner or other bailiff or minister
of the king.
Calendar of Patent Rolls, Edward 3, Vol. 10, p. 642
Both John and his wife Elizabeth were dead before December 1361:
3 December 1361, To Philip de Luttele escheator in Notinghamshire.
Order to take the fealty of Roger son of Roger Beler according to the
form of a schedule enclosed, and to deliver to him the manor of
Gonalston, one acre of land therein and the advowson of the church of
that manor excepted, taken into the king's hand by the death of
Elizabeth de Dreby; as the king has learned by inquisition, taken by
the escheator, that Elizabeth at her death held no lands in that
county in chief nor of any other in her demesne as of fee, but by
virtue of a fine levied in the court of King Edward II held the said
manor (the land and advowson aforesaid excepted) in fee tail of the
king as of the honour of Peverel by homage and fealty and by the
service of the moiety of one knight's fee, with remainder, if
Elizabeth should die without an heir of her body, to the said Roger
(yet living) and Margaret his wife (deceased) and to the heirs of
their bodies, and that Elizabeth died without an heir of her body,
whereby the premises ought by the fine to remain to Roger; and the
king has taken his homage
Calendar of Close Rolls, Edward III: volume 11: 1360-1364 (1909), p.
222
I am not clear on the relationship between Elizabeth de Heriz and
Roger Beler and his wife Margaret - perhaps someone here could fill in
the details.
The only surviving child of John de Driby and Amy de Gaveston was
their daughter Alice who married firstly Sir Robert Tuchet, secondly
Sir Ralph Basset of Sapcote and thirdly Anketin Mallory. In her will
dated 14 April 1412, she leaves money to pay for masses for the souls
of Sir Ralph Basset, Sir Robert Tochet, and Sir Anketin Malores, her
former husbands and for John Dryby and Anne his wife, her late
parents.
Alfred Gibbons, Early Lincoln Wills (Lincoln: 1888) pp. 110-111
Best regards,
John
About ten years ago in this group there was a sometimes furious and
heated debate concerning Amy de Gaveston, illegitimate daughter of Sir
Piers de Gaveston, the favourite of Edward II. I have recently been
updating my records for Amy, and have come across one or two
contemporary records which were not mentioned in the previous debates,
so I thought that some here might be interested. Please note that in
these contemporary records, her name is variously given as Amy,
Amicia, Alina, and Anne.
Amy Gaveston must have been born before or shortly after Piers was
executed on 19 June 1312. In 1332, she was a damsel of Queen Philippa:
28 January 1332, Ratification of a grant, for life, by queen Philippa
to Amicia de Gavaston, her damsel, of the lands in Haveryng atte Boure
and elsewhere in the county of Essex, which escheated to the queen by
the forfeiture of Robert William.
Calendar of Patent Rolls, Edward 3, Vol. 2, p. 244
16 June 1332, Grant, for life, to Amy de Gaveston, damsel of the
chamber of queen Philippa, for service to the queen, of the manor of
Woghfeld, [Wokefield] co. Berks, an escheat by the forfeiture of Roger
de Mortuo Mari, late earl of March.
Calendar of Patent Rolls, Edward 3, Vol. 2, p. 306
Before 29 May 1334, Amy had married John son of Thomas de Dryby. They
are mentioned in the record of a fine made on that date:
remainder to "John, son of Thomas de Driby, and Amy, daughter of Peter
de Gauaston', and the heirs of their bodies". An abstract of the foot
of fine and an image of the original recently became available on
Chris Philips' excellent website:
http://www.medievalgenealogy.org.uk/fines/abstracts/CP_25_1_125_57.shtml#56
In 1338, John and Amy appear to have run into some kind of dispute
concerning the manor of Wokefield, Berkshire, and at that time John de
Dryby was in the king's service:
16 June 1338, To the bailiffs of Redyng of the abbot of Redyng. Order
not to put John de Driby in default for his absence on Thursday in
Easter week last, in the suit before them, which was before the
justices of the Bench between Edmund Danvers, demandant and John and
Alina his wife, tenants, concerning the manor of Wogthfeld, which suit
was adjourned by the justices according to the liberties granted to
the abbot by the king's progenitors, to be pleaded in his court,
because John was in the king's service by his order on that day. The
like to the same for John, under the name of the manor of Woghfeld. By
the same writ.
Calendar of Close Rolls, Edward III: volume 4: 1337-1339 (1900), pp.
497-8
Two days later the king gave them a licence to cut timber at the
manor:
18 June 1338, Whereas the king lately granted for life to Amy de
Gavaston the manor of Woghfeld, co. Berks, an escheat by the
forfeiture of Roger de Mortuo Mari, the king's enemy, he has granted
to John de Driby, who has now married her, and the said Amy licence to
fell trees in the woods of the manor at their will, and to apply the
moneys arising from the sale of these to their own use, and in
defending the right of the king and Amy in pleas moved against them
touching the manor.
Calendar of Patent Rolls, Edward 3, Vol, 4, p, 96
In 1340, the king granted the reversion of Wokefield to John Brocas:
12 June 1340, Mandate to John de Dryby and Anne his wife to attorn in
the usual manner to John Brocas for the services due from lands in
Wokefeld, which they hold for the life of Anne of the king's grant,
the king having granted the reversion of those lands to him in fee.
Calendar of Patent Rolls, Edward 3, Vol. 4, p. 529
In 1343, John de Driby was a yeoman of John of Gaunt and had respite
from knighthood:
20 May 1343, Pardon to John de Dryby, yeoman of the king's son John of
Gaunt, of 56s. 8d. of issues forfeit at which he was assessed for not
having taken the order of knighthood pursuant to the late
proclamation ; and respite to him from taking the order for three
years
Calendar of Patent Rolls, Edward 3, Vol. 6, p. 28
In late 1349, Thomas de Heriz and his wife Margaret had died (plague?)
and the wardship of their daughter Elizabeth was granted to John de
Driby:
6 November 1349, Grant to John de Driby of the wardship of the manor
of Gonaldeston, late of Thomas de Heriz, tenant in chief, to hold
until the lawful age of Elizabeth, daughter and heir of Thomas, with
her marriage or the forfeiture if she be married without licence of
the king or John, rendering for the wardship 40l. a year in the
wardrobe at Easter and Michaelmas by equal portions, and 100l. for the
marriage in moieties at Martinmas next and Easter following; and so
from heir to heir.
Calendar of Fine Rolls, Vol. 6, p. 178
Both John and Amy appear to have died shortly afterwards (plague?).
Amy may have died at the abbey of Beaulieu in Hampshire:
11 March 1351, Petronilla de Pagham, damsel, by reason of her good
service to the king's daughter, the lady of Ulster, is sent to the
abbot and convent of Beaulieu to receive such maintenance from that
house for life as Amy de Dreby, deceased, had there at the king's
request.
Calendar of Close Rolls, Edward III: volume 9: 1349-1354 (1906), p.
352
John son of John de Dryby and Amy married Elizabeth de Heriz, his
father's ward:
30 November 1353, To John Waleys, escheator in the county of
Nottingham. Order to take the fealty of John son of John de Drieby in
accordance with the form of a schedule enclosed, and to cause him and
Elizabeth his wife, daughter and heir of Thomas de Heriz, tenant in
chief, to have seisin of all the lands whereof Thomas was seised at
his death, as Elizabeth has proved her age before the escheator.
Calendar of Close Rolls, Edward III: volume 9: 1349-1354 (1906), p.
570
John de Dryby was living in 1357 when he had respite from knighthood:
30 June 1357, Pardon to John de Driby for not having taken the order
of knighthood pursuant to the king's proclamation, and grant to him
that he shall not be distrained to take the order, that he shall not
be put on assizes, juries or recognitions and that he shall not be
made mayor, sheriff, escheator, coroner or other bailiff or minister
of the king.
Calendar of Patent Rolls, Edward 3, Vol. 10, p. 642
Both John and his wife Elizabeth were dead before December 1361:
3 December 1361, To Philip de Luttele escheator in Notinghamshire.
Order to take the fealty of Roger son of Roger Beler according to the
form of a schedule enclosed, and to deliver to him the manor of
Gonalston, one acre of land therein and the advowson of the church of
that manor excepted, taken into the king's hand by the death of
Elizabeth de Dreby; as the king has learned by inquisition, taken by
the escheator, that Elizabeth at her death held no lands in that
county in chief nor of any other in her demesne as of fee, but by
virtue of a fine levied in the court of King Edward II held the said
manor (the land and advowson aforesaid excepted) in fee tail of the
king as of the honour of Peverel by homage and fealty and by the
service of the moiety of one knight's fee, with remainder, if
Elizabeth should die without an heir of her body, to the said Roger
(yet living) and Margaret his wife (deceased) and to the heirs of
their bodies, and that Elizabeth died without an heir of her body,
whereby the premises ought by the fine to remain to Roger; and the
king has taken his homage
Calendar of Close Rolls, Edward III: volume 11: 1360-1364 (1909), p.
222
I am not clear on the relationship between Elizabeth de Heriz and
Roger Beler and his wife Margaret - perhaps someone here could fill in
the details.
The only surviving child of John de Driby and Amy de Gaveston was
their daughter Alice who married firstly Sir Robert Tuchet, secondly
Sir Ralph Basset of Sapcote and thirdly Anketin Mallory. In her will
dated 14 April 1412, she leaves money to pay for masses for the souls
of Sir Ralph Basset, Sir Robert Tochet, and Sir Anketin Malores, her
former husbands and for John Dryby and Anne his wife, her late
parents.
Alfred Gibbons, Early Lincoln Wills (Lincoln: 1888) pp. 110-111
Best regards,
John
John Watson
Mar 22, 2013, 7:30:49 PM3/22/13
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On Mar 22, 8:06 am, John Watson <watsonjo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Dear all,
> I am not clear on the relationship between Elizabeth de Heriz and
> Roger Beler and his wife Margaret - perhaps someone here could fill in
> the details.
>
It seems now that I can answer my own question. Thomas de Heriz was
actually Thomas son of Roger Beler (the elder) which seems a bit
strange to me:-
Thomas son of Roger Beler. Writ, 20 October, 17 Edward III [1343].
Nottingham. Inq. taken at Nottingham on Monday before St. Martin the
bishop, 17 Edward III. Gonaldston. The manor (extent given), held
jointly with Margaret his wife, who still survives, of the king, [as]
of the honour of Peverell, by service of a moiety of a knight's fee,
by fine levied in the court of King Edward II. He died on 24 May last.
His daughters, Alice aged 6 years, and Elizabeth aged 4 years, are his
next heirs.
Calendar of Inquisitions Post Mortem, Vol. 8, p. 284, No. 427
Thomas de Heriz or de Heryz. Writ to enquire as to the land and heir
of Thomas de Heriz, 9 July, 27 Edward III [1353]. Nottingham. Inq.
taken at Nottingham, 8 August, 27 Edward III. Gonaldeston. The manor
held of the king in chief as of the honour of Peverel by service of
half a knight's fee. He held nothing of other lords. He died in 17
Edward III [1343], but on what day the jury know not, because he died
beyond sea. Elizabeth his daughter, aged 15 years on the feast of St.
Dunsatan, 27 Edward III [19 May 1353], is his heir; she is married to
John son of John de Dryeby, and they nave no issue.
Calendar of Inquisitions Post Mortem, Vol. 10, pp. 72-3, No. 70
Can anyone explain this.
Regards,
John
> Dear all,
> I am not clear on the relationship between Elizabeth de Heriz and
> Roger Beler and his wife Margaret - perhaps someone here could fill in
> the details.
>
actually Thomas son of Roger Beler (the elder) which seems a bit
strange to me:-
Thomas son of Roger Beler. Writ, 20 October, 17 Edward III [1343].
Nottingham. Inq. taken at Nottingham on Monday before St. Martin the
bishop, 17 Edward III. Gonaldston. The manor (extent given), held
jointly with Margaret his wife, who still survives, of the king, [as]
of the honour of Peverell, by service of a moiety of a knight's fee,
by fine levied in the court of King Edward II. He died on 24 May last.
His daughters, Alice aged 6 years, and Elizabeth aged 4 years, are his
next heirs.
Calendar of Inquisitions Post Mortem, Vol. 8, p. 284, No. 427
Thomas de Heriz or de Heryz. Writ to enquire as to the land and heir
of Thomas de Heriz, 9 July, 27 Edward III [1353]. Nottingham. Inq.
taken at Nottingham, 8 August, 27 Edward III. Gonaldeston. The manor
held of the king in chief as of the honour of Peverel by service of
half a knight's fee. He held nothing of other lords. He died in 17
Edward III [1343], but on what day the jury know not, because he died
beyond sea. Elizabeth his daughter, aged 15 years on the feast of St.
Dunsatan, 27 Edward III [19 May 1353], is his heir; she is married to
John son of John de Dryeby, and they nave no issue.
Calendar of Inquisitions Post Mortem, Vol. 10, pp. 72-3, No. 70
Can anyone explain this.
Regards,
John
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