Jane Ewarby
Henry Sutliff
St. John (d.1512) of Lydiard Tregoze (Wilts) as Jane, daughter of Sir
John Ewarby of Farley, Hants, of Royal Descent. As Browning gives no
sources for his reltaionships, I have always been skeptical of this.
However, I have found the same marriage in the Wiltshire Visitation
Pedigrees. I have an undocumented source from unknown origin which
states that the Ewarbys may have had a relationship to Quainton, Bucks.
As this is the only instance I have seen this surname, I am wondering if
anyone can identify the validity of this relationship or the statement
that the Ewarbys were of Royal descent. As always thanks!
Henry Sutliff
ss...@earthlink.net
Reedpcgen
daughter and heir of Sir John Inwardby. Maxwell-Lyte's version would be much
more accurate, but I don't have that here (check the Harleian Society, vol.
one-hundred something).
Maddison's Lincolnshire pedigrees (imagine that) gives John Iwardby (alias
Ewerby) as marrying Katherine, d. & coh. of Barnard Missenden, of Healing,
Brackenborough and Kelstern, co. Lincoln, and Great Missenden, co. Bucks, as
son of John Iwardby, eldest son, Nicholas Iwardby, 2nd son (of Great Missenden,
co. Bucks.), Anne and Elizabeth.
Nicholas was father of John Iwardby (d. 22 Aug. 1485, ipm) who married Joan,
daughter of Sir Robert Brudenell. But their daughters and coheirs are givenas
Elizabeth (b. 1475), Margate (b. 1477) and Ellen (b. 1479), with no mention of
a St. John match.
Your key may therefore be Nicholas's brother, John, who would fit better
chronologically. Check Lipscombe's History of Buckinghamshire 1:394, the
Victoria County History of Bucks., Oxford Record Society 7:45, and the Oxford
Brass-Rubbing Soc. 1:293 for Iwardby pedigrees and accounts.
pcr
Leo van de Pas
I can give you only a very small amount of information and this comes
out of Gerald Paget's book on the ancestors of Prince Charles.
Also note that he spells Ewarby as Iwarby
1.Jane Iwarby
2.Sir John Iwarby, of Quainton
died 22 April 1485
3.Catherine Annesley
4.John Iwarby
6.Sir Hugh Annesley, of Mapledurham
8.Nicholas Iwarby
12.William Annesley, of Rodington
13.Mabel English
Best wishes
Leo van de Pas
G . EDWARD ALLEN
>
> Browning (Americans of Royal Descent) identifies the wife of Sir John
> St. John (d.1512) of Lydiard Tregoze (Wilts) as Jane, daughter of Sir
> John Ewarby of Farley, Hants, of Royal Descent. As Browning gives no
> sources for his reltaionships, I have always been skeptical of this.
> However, I have found the same marriage in the Wiltshire Visitation
> Pedigrees. I have an undocumented source from unknown origin which
> states that the Ewarbys may have had a relationship to Quainton, Bucks.
>
> As this is the only instance I have seen this surname, I am wondering if
> anyone can identify the validity of this relationship or the statement
> that the Ewarbys were of Royal descent. As always thanks!
>
> ss...@earthlink.net
Henry,
The Iwardby/Ewerbys do have a Royal Descent through Missenden, Frome,
Braiose/Braose, de Clare, and Gloucester to Henry I. There is also a
descent from Llewelyn ab Iorwerth, husband of Princess Joan; but I do
not know if Joan was the mother. But first you have to prove a
Ewarby/Iwardby descent.
I would see if VCH Hampshire covers Farley and if it mentions Jane,
daughter of John.
In a letter to TAG, dated 31 July 1980 Charles Evans makes the following
comments:
"There is a fully documented account of the Iwardby family by C. A. F.
Meekings of the PRO in "FitzNells Cartulary," Surrey Record Society,
XXVI (1968). ..."
Perhaps this is another source you should search.
Lipscombe's Hist. Of Bucks. has nothing on this problem.
Sorry, I couldn't be more helpful.
Kay Allen all...@pacbell.net
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G . EDWARD ALLEN
>
> At 10:23 PM 8/28/98 -0700, you wrote:
> >Browning (Americans of Royal Descent) identifies the wife of Sir John
> >St. John (d.1512) of Lydiard Tregoze (Wilts) as Jane, daughter of Sir
> >John Ewarby of Farley, Hants, of Royal Descent. As Browning gives no
> >sources for his reltaionships, I have always been skeptical of this.
> >However, I have found the same marriage in the Wiltshire Visitation
> >Pedigrees. I have an undocumented source from unknown origin which
> >states that the Ewarbys may have had a relationship to Quainton, Bucks.
> >
> >As this is the only instance I have seen this surname, I am wondering if
> >anyone can identify the validity of this relationship or the statement
> >that the Ewarbys were of Royal descent. As always thanks!
> >
> I can give you only a very small amount of information and this comes
> out of Gerald Paget's book on the ancestors of Prince Charles.
> Also note that he spells Ewarby as Iwarby
>
> 1.Jane Iwarby
>
> 2.Sir John Iwarby, of Quainton
> died 22 April 1485
> 3.Catherine Annesley
>
> 4.John Iwarby
>
> 6.Sir Hugh Annesley, of Mapledurham
>
> 8.Nicholas Iwarby
>
> 12.William Annesley, of Rodington
> 13.Mabel English
>
> Best wishes
> Leo van de Pas
Leo,
I believe that Paget is in error. What sources does he cite?
I have:
1. John Iwardby d. 22 August 1485; = Joane Brudenell.
2. Nicholas I.; d. May 1642.
3. Elizabeth Hampden.
4. John I., d. abt. 1430; =#2 Jane Annesley.
5. Katherine Missenden.
Perhaps John and Jane had a son who wound up in Hampshire. I wouldn't
know. Perhaps VCH Hampshire can shed some light on this.
Kay Allen all...@pacbell.net
G . EDWARD ALLEN
Lipscombe does not show a brother for Nicholas. There is a brother
Richard given for John who d. 1485; but no descent from him.
TAG 56:
1. John Iwardby,father of the heiresses; d. 22 Aug. 1485; = Joane
Brudenell.
2. Nicholas I., Esq; d. May 1462.
3. Elizabeth Hampden.
4. John I., Esq; d. abt. 1430; = #2 Jane Annesley.
5. Katherine Missenden; d. 1436.
Maddison seems confused to me. Does he sight any sources to show that
either the Iwardbys or the de Missendens were ever of Lincolnshire? The
Iwardbys were of Missenden Bucks. through the marriage with Katherine.
Her great-greatgrandfather acquired Missenden.
Charles Evans is the one who makes Jane a wife of John #4, and not his
mother Obviously, if Katherine outlived him, she wasn't his widow. If
she were a first wife, she might have had some property to leave a son.
But the Jane who is purported to be a Iwardby would be a few generations
later. If VCH Oxon. covers Mapledurham, perhaps it covers this issue.
He also states that the parentage of the earliest John is unknown.
Obviously more work needs to be done.
Kay Allen AG all...@pacbell.net
G . EDWARD ALLEN
>
> >rowning (Americans of Royal Descent) identifies the wife of Sir John
> >St. John (d.1512) of Lydiard Tregoze (Wilts) as Jane, daughter of Sir
> >John Ewarby of Farley, Hants, of Royal Descent. As Browning gives no
> >sources for his reltaionships, I have always been skeptical of this.
> >However, I have found the same marriage in the Wiltshire Visitation
> >Pedigrees. I have an undocumented source from unknown origin which
> >states that the Ewarbys may have had a relationship to Quainton, Bucks.
> >
> >As this is the only instance I have seen this surname, I am wondering if
> >anyone can identify the validity of this relationship or the statement
> >that the Ewarbys were of Royal descent. As always thanks!
> >
>
> I have the name as Joan Inwardby who brought the estate of Purley Magna Manor
> [outside Reading] into the St. John family and I am sure it is an alternate
> spelling of the same name.
>
> Aloha Bob
>
> Bob St. John_Puna Bed & Breakfast_Rural Puna south of Hilo
If Purley Magna is in Berkshire as Reading is, then possibly VCH
Berkshire can be of help also.
Kay Allen AG all...@pacbell.net
G . EDWARD ALLEN
>
> >
> >
> >
> > I believe that Paget is in error. What sources does he cite?
> >
> > I have:
> >
> > 2. Nicholas I.; d. May 1642.
>
> Do you have the date for no. 2 correct?
>
> Hap
A little transposition goes a long way----------
He was buried 10 May 1462 at St. Bridget's London. Lipscombe's Bucks.
I:395.
Kay Allen AG all...@pacbell.net