Aston-Kinnersley-Bradshaw-Fowke

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Aston-Kinnersley-Bradshaw-Fowke
Hi,
Leo van de Pas made a listing from Genealogics on the internet of some
ancestors of gateway Col. Gerard Fowke of Virginia and Maryland. It included 37
kings and queens, three who fought with William the Conqueror at Hastings,
three Surety of the Magna Carta, 18 who went on crusades and another 51 “ordinary
” nobles.
In RD600:437-8, Gary Boyd Roberts presents a published line from Gerard
Fowke to William I the Lion, King of Scotland though Maud le Scrope. Maud le
Scrope was shown by Douglas Richardson as the spouse of Baldwin Freville:
_http://groups.google.com/group/soc.genealogy.medieval/browse_thread/thread/5c
9b3b26b09b1231/c3df51640d98fe9b?q=maud+scrope&rnum=2#c3df51640d98fe9b_
(http://groups.google.com/group/soc.genealogy.medieval/browse_thread/thread/5c9b3b26b
09b1231/c3df51640d98fe9b?q=maud+scrope&rnum=2#c3df51640d98fe9b)
which opened a wide line of additional ancestors for Maud’s many
descendants.
FOWKE to William I the Lion
as published by Roberts
1. William I the Lion, King of Scotland, had illegimately by NN Avenal
2. Isabel of Scotland married Robert de Ros, Magna Carta Surety
3. Sir William de Ros married Lucy St. John
4. Sir Robert de Ros married Isabel d’Aubigny
5. William de Ros, First Baron Ros of Helmsley married Maud Vaux
6. William de Ros, Second Baron Ros of Helmsley














married Margery de Badlesmere
7. Maud de Ros married John de Welles, Fourth Baron Welles
8. Margery de Welles married Stephen le Scrope, Second Baron Scrope of
Masham
9. Maud le Scrope married Sir Baldwin Freville
10. Joyce Freville married Sir Roger Aston
11. Sir Robert Aston married Isabella (or Joan) Brereton
12. John Aston married Elizabeth Delves
13. Margaret Aston married John Kinnersley
14. Isabel Kinnersley married John Bradshaw
15. Anne Bradshaw married John Fowke
16. Francis Fowke married Jane Raynsford
17. John Fowke married Dorothy Cupper
18. Roger Fowke married Mary Bayley
19. Col. Gerard Fowke of Va. [and Md.] married Anne Thoroughgood
Leo van de Pas points out that Margery de Welles's parentage is not rock
solid. It is “likely”, but she is not a proven child. So in Genealogics he
gives another way for this line to go to William I the Lion in:
_http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00464343&tree=LEO_
(http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00464343&tree=LEO)
He ends the RD600 line with Gen. 8, Stephen le Scrope. He then goes on:
3. Sir William de Ros [see above]
4. Sir William de Ros of Ingmanthorpe married Eustache FitzHugh
5. Ivette/Juette de Ros married Geoffrey Le Scrope
6. Henry Le Scrope of Masham, 1st Baron Scrope married Joan (or Agnes)
7. vacant
8. Stephen le Scrope [son of Gen. 6]
We might call these first line (a) and first line (b). A second published
line from Fowke to Maud le Scrope’s husband Sir Baldwin Freville to William
Longespee and Henry II King of England is given in RD500: 363-4.
There is a third line from John Fowke and Dorothy Cupper to Henry II by way
of Sir John Gresley and Elizabeth Clarell, which Roberts gave first in
RD500:350 and 363-4.
A fourth line is presented by Douglas Richardson in MCA: 354-5 from Gerard
Fowke through Francis Fowke and Jane Raynsford to Geoffrey de Say.
The third and fourth published lines presented here seem generally accepted.
However, some people may have problems with the first and second lines in
addition to the fact that Margery de Welles's parents are “likely”.
The problem is partly given in Schiefflin: viii and 4; it is in the Fowke
lineage which she cites as coming from Burke Peerage (currently 106th. edition:
1100). This listed John Fowke who married Anne Bradshaw, daughter of John
Bradshaw and Isabel Kinnersley. She then devoted an entire chapter to the
Kinnersley’s (Schiefflin: 5-11). She used the Warwickshire 1619 pedigree on
Kinardesley which listed Margaret Aston, daughter of Sir Robert Aston, as married
to John Kinardesley. Other sources not identified by her listed the spouse
as Thomas. She found no connections between Margaret and Isabel Kinnersley,
however.
Margaret’s son in the Warwickshire pedigree is listed as Thomas Kinnersley.
Schieffelin then checked the Burke’s “History of Commoners”, which listed
the children of Margaret and John Kinnersley as Margaret, married to John
FitzHerbert, and Joan, married to Thomas Lingham. She concluded that Isabel
Kinnersley’s “name does not appear in any Visitation, nor any pedigree of the
Kinnersleys.” She therefore rejected the line. The line does appear in a
Kynnersley pedigree, however, found by Roberts.
Roberts (RD500: 365-6), therefore, used the line, based on the Tixall
monograph which had inserted John Aston as the son of Sir Robert Aston and the
father of Margaret. He also cited the Kynnersley pedigree and accepted Isabel
Kinnersley as the daughter of Margaret. But as a result, Roberts was not
100% convinced and said in both RD500 and RD600 that “A definitive monograph on
the Aston-Kinnersley-Bradshaw-Fowke link would be welcome.” In fact, Douglas
Richardson has discussed Aston and Fowke in detail in MCA, so what is really
needed is a look at the shorter line from late Aston to Kinnersley to
Bradshaw.
What follows is a very preliminary attempt to look at the relationship; it
is certainly not a monograph, nor definitive. Brice Clagett, Douglas
Richardson, Leo van de Pas and Richard Ledyard provided important knowledge along the
way; mistakes are mine alone. Full references to published sources occur at
the end.
For our purposes, we begin at 11. Sir Robert Aston married Isabella (or
Joan) Brereton. This is probably first attested by Staffordshire 1583: 87 which
shows the marriage of “Robertus Aston, miles, de Haywood et de Parkhall in
Com. Stafford” and “Johanna, soror Will’mi Brereton, militis.” Their
offspring are “Isabella, uxor Ricardi Bagot de Blithefeld,” “Johannes Aston, objit
1483” married to “Elizabetha, filia Johannis Delves. Militis,” and “
Parnell, ux. Rich. Bydulfe (Hatherton MS.).”
Aston: 213 reports that Robert Aston was high sheriff of Stafford in 31 H.
6 (1452-3) and alive in 1 E. 4 (1461-2). It had John, Pretronel and Isabel
as his offspring. Tixall: 147 also lists John, Isabella, and Petronilla as
does Burke DE: 13 -- John, Elizabeth, and Petrinilla.
Finally, MCA: 24-5 reports that children of Sir Robert are John, Isabel and
Pernel. Richardson lists a date of 1414 for his birth, 1464-5 for his death.
No mention in any of the sources for a daughter Margaret for Sir Robert
Aston of Haywood.
Turning to 12. John Aston married Elizabeth Delves [now 12a], all sources
except the first recognize a daughter Margaret, but the her spouse’s name
differs, and in one case there are two Margarets!
Staffordshire 1583: 87 presents the earliest evidence, and the children of
John are “Ricardus Aston, 2” “Robertus Aston, 3 filias,” “Elizabeth, ux.
Bassett of Blors. (Hatherton MS.)”, “Isabella, nupta Humfrido Okeover de
Okeover.”, and “Johannes Aston de Tycksall, miles, obijt 1523” married to “
Johanna, filia et haeres, alibi Elena.” This pedigree obviously left out quite a
few children as well as adding a son Robert.
Aston: 213 reports that John Aston was high sheriff in 16 E. 4 (1476-7) and
died 1 R. 3 (1483-4). His children listed there are 11 in number: Sir John,
Richard, Elizabeth, Isabel, Catherine, Margaret to Thomas Kynardsley of
Lokesley, afterward to Ralph Wolsay, all in Com. Staff., Alice, Rose, and three
other daughters without names.
In Tixall: 147-8, the authors had two Margarets in their list: Richard, John
and ten daughters: Isabella, Margaret married W. St. Andrew Esq., Elizabeth,
Margaret married Thomas Kinnersley of Loxley, Esq. and secondly, Ralph
Wolseley of Wolseley, Baron of the Exchequer, Catherine, Alice, Rose, and three
unnamed daughters.
In Burke DE: 13-4 he has John, Richard, Robert, Elizabeth, Isabella,
Catherine, Margaret married Thomas Kyardesley of Loxley and second Ralph Wolseley,
Esq., Alice, Rose, and three unnamed daughters.
MCA: 24-5 lists 11 children of John Aston and Elizabeth Delves as John,
Richard, Isabel, Margaret who married W. St. Andrew Esq., Elizabeth, Katherine,
Alice, Rose and three unnamed daughters. John died in 1483. Quite clearly,
Richardson recognized that two Margarets were unlikely, if not impossible,
and chose the Margaret that married W. St. Andrew Esq.
Take your choice, either of the Margarets or both are daughters of John
Aston. In all cases in which Margaret married a Kynardsley, he was named Thomas,
as well as marrying a second time to Ralph Wolseley.
There is another set of documents which look at the picture for Margaret
Aston who married a John Kinnersley and Ralph Wolseley, however. All agree on
her father: she is the daughter of Sir Robert Aston and by extension the
brother of John Aston and sister-in-law of Elizabeth Delves.
12b. Margaret Aston married John Kinnersley and second Ralph Wolseley.
In Warwickshire 1619: 397 under Kinardesley, it lists “Margareta filia Rob’
ti Aston de Tixsaa; renupta Rad’o Wolesley” who first married “Joh’es
Kinardesley Du’s de Loxley in Com. Staff. Ob. 10 E. 4.” or 1470-1. The only
child reported was Thomas married to “Margeria filia Joh’is Agard de Forston
ux. 1,” “Elizabeth filia Joh’is,” and “Duxit Elizab. Fil. Ed.Wommere de
Edmanston in Com. Salop ux. 3 relict Henrici Petit.” It is likely that the
Thomas Kynardesley who married Margeria, daughter of John Agard, is the woman
erroneously assigned as the daughter of John Aston and Elizabeth Delves in the
sources above.
In addition to being counted among John Aston’s daughters as cited above on
p.147-8 in Tixall, Margaret Aston also appears on Tixall: 198 under her
second husband: “Ralph Wolseley, one of the barons of the exchequer, married
Margaret Aston, widow of Robt. Kinnarsley of Loxley, and daughter of Sir Robert
Aston, Knt.” [their quotes] It is quite obvious that the authors made a
mistake in including her among John Aston’s daughters, one corrected later, even if
Tixall did have her married to Robt. Kinnarsley!
In Foss: 751, Ralph Wolseley’s second wife, “Margaret, daughter of Sir
Robert Aston, of Heywood, knight”. Ralph Wolseley died early in 2 R. 3 (1484).
This is the about same year that John Aston died – unlikely that her second
husband Wolseley and her “father” John Aston died in the same year. Both
had long and active careers, neither died in his youth.
In Kynnersley, we have “Margaret, dau. Of Robert Aston de Tixhall” to “John
de Kynardesley de Loxley ob. 10 E. 4” and “Raphe Wolseley de Wolseley, 2nd
husband, 10 E. 4”. Children of Margaret Aston and John Kinnerseley in the
pedigree cited are Margaret, Robert, Joane, Thomas, Elizabeth, Isabel, and
seven unnamed sons. They must have been married up to 20 or more years to have
13 children.
Moreover, the pedigree says of Joane, “aged 22, AO, 11 E. 4.” or 1471-2.
That means Margaret and John must have married before 1450 at the least when
Joane was born, so Margaret was born by, say, 1430-5. Sir Robert Aston was
6 in 1420 (MCA: 24-5), so he could have married not earlier than say 1430 to
1435 (16 to 21). This makes it abundantly clear that she could not have been
the daughter of John Aston and must be the daughter of Sir Robert Aston! John
could not have been born before, say, 1435, and married say 1450-5. His
so-called daughter Margaret could not have married until close to 1470 – the
year of the death of John Kinnersley and Margaret Aston’s remarriage.
In addition, Burke Peerage: 3063 says of Ralph Wolseley "m. 2 1468 Margaret,
dau. of Sir Robert Aston, of Heywood, Staffs., and widow of John
Kynardesley, of Loxley, Staffs." It appears that the marriage in 1468 is a mistake,
the Kynnersley pedigree says clearly that John Kinnersley died in 1470-1 and
that she married Ralph Wolseley the same year.
MCA: 899 lists “Ralph Wolseley, of Wolseley, by Margaret, daughter of Robert
Aston, knt. Of Heywood.” Their son was John Wolseley, born 1475 and died
1553.
Leo van de Pas correctly has Margaret as the daughter of Robert Aston:
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00464332&tree=LEO
(13. vacant since Margaret is sister of 12a. John Aston)
14. Isabel Kinnersley married John Bradshaw
Kynnersley pedigree shows “Isabel, wife to John Bradshaw, in Com. Derby”.
So, in fact, there is a pedigree listing Isabel Kinnersley to meet Schieffelin
’s suggestions as Roberts first pointed out. I tried to get someone at the
British Library to check the printed material in Kynnersley on which the
pedigree is based without success so far. Is there someone in gen-med who goes
to the British Library who could check this???? The shelfmark is given in the
reference.
In addition, Barnes: 199 says John Fowke “m. Anne, m. dau. Of John Bradshaw
of Windley, Derby and his wife Isabel Kinersley” based apparently on the
Fowke pedigree in Schiefflin: vii. Her source appears to be Burke Peerage:
1100.
15. Anne Bradshaw married John Fowke. Staffordshire 1663-1664: 93 lists
"John Fowk of Gunston ar.=Anne d. of John Bradshaw of Windle co. Derb." Another
pedigree (p. 94) lists "John Fowke of Gunston in Com. Staff. Esqr.= Anne dar.
of John Bradshaw of Windle Co. Derb." Barnes: 199 had “m. Anne” cited
above, and Burke Peerage: 1100 had “John Fowke of Gunston; married Anne, dau. Of
John Bradshaw, of Windley, Derbys, and had issue.” MCA: 354 had John Fowke
as married to “Anne, daughter of John Bradshaw.”
16. Francis Fowke married Jane Raynsford (see MCA: 354-5 for this and
subsequent generations).
Conclusions
In summary, then, Staffordshire 1583 set the first mistaken trend by listing
only John, Isabella, and Parnel as the children of Sir Robert Aston of
Heywood, sometimes misstated as of Tixall (see Schieffelin: 11). These three
children are also listed by Aston, Tixall, Burke DE, and MCA. Staffordshire 1583
also left out a number of offspring of John Aston in the pedigree as well.
Aston further muddled the water by listing Margaret Aston as the son of John
Aston, not his brother. Then Tixall made a further mistake and said John
Aston had two daughters named Margaret. Fortunately, Douglas Richardson saw
the problem and dropped the Margaret who married Kinnersley, but he was the
only one who did so. All said that the Kinnersley who married Margaret, if they
mentioned him, was named Thomas. This may be a further mistake derived
from Warwickshire 1619 which listed a Thomas Kinnersley, son of Margaret Aston
Kinnersley, married to Margaret Agard.
What saved the true statement of the relationship of Margaret Aston was the
pedigree from Warwickshire 1619. It clearly stated that Margaret was the
daughter of Sir Robert Aston, although the first to refer to him as from
Heywood is Foss. Moreover, they all know the spouse as John, except for Tixall.
The Kinnersley book and pedigree seem to be carefully prepared and without
any major faults that I have found but the associated text should be checked,
especially for possible primary sources. That pedigree and all other
secondary sources agree that Isabel Kinnersley married John Bradshaw and their
daughter Anne married John Fowke. A good search of the primary records of Co.
Derby for references to John Bradshaw and his daughter Anne should be undertaken
as well.
References
Acton
Early History of the Aston Family, Reprinted from an ancient book,
Genealogical Quarterly, V. 1 #3, p. 212-9, 1932. There is a second section I have not
seen: “To be concluded in the next issue, which will contain an illustration
of the Aston family coat-of-arms and crest.” The date of the original book
is not known. There are citations, the most recent being 1712 (p. 214). I
take this source to be between the various visitations and Tixall in 1817,
since it does not follow Tixall with two Margarets.
Barnes
“British Roots of Maryland Families”, Robert W. Barnes,
Genealogical Publishing, 1999
Burke DE
"Genealogical History of Dormant, Abeyant, Forfeited, and Extinct Peerages
of the British Empire” by Sir Bernard Burke, 1883
Burke Peerage
“Burke's Peerage and Baronetage” edited by Charles Mosley, 106th Ed.,
Morris Genealogical Books SA, 1999.
Foss
“A biographical dictionary of the judges of England: from the conquest to
the present time, 1066-1870,” J. Murray, 1870
Kinnersley
“A history of the family of Kynnersley of Leighton, Shropshire, together
with some account of the families of Leighton, Gardner & Panting”, Printed for
private circulation, Shrewsbury, 1897, 148 pages, 10 pedigree charts at end,
in collection of the British Library, Boston Spa, Wetherby, Yorkshire, LS23
7BQ, Shelfmark 9902.dd.29
MCA
“Magna Carta ancestry: A study of Colonial and Medieval families,” Douglas
Richardson, Genealogical Publishing, 2005
RD500
“The royal descents of 500 immigrants to the American Colonies or the
United States,” Gary Boyd Roberts, Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc., 3rd edition,
2002
RD600
“The royal descents of 600 immigrants to the American Colonies or the
United States,” Gary Boyd Roberts, Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc., 2004
Schieffelin
“In search of a Magna Carta signer: a tale of adventure,” Elizabeth Wellborn
Schieffelin, Gateway Press, 1990
Staffordshire 1583
“The Visitation of Staffordshire made by Robert Glovers, al’s Somerset
heralod, mareshall to William Flower, al’s Norroy Kinge of Arms, anno d’ni 1583”
, edited by H. Sydney Grazebrook, 1883
Staffordshire 1663-4
“Staffordshire pedigrees based on the visitation of that county made by
William Dugdale, Esquire, Norroy King of arms in the years 1663-1664 : from the
original manuscript written by Gregory King, during the years 1680 to 1700”,
1912
Tixall
“A topographical and historical description of the parish of Tixall in the
county of Stafford” by Sir Thomas Clifford and Arthur Clifford, M. Nouzou,
1817
Warwickshire 1619
“Visitation of Warwickshire in the Year 1619” by William Camden, 1877
regards, Charlie McNett