Seeking information on John Sutton immigrant family (dau. Margaret) from England to Massachusetts Bay Colony
cl.uk
from England to Massachusetts Bay Colony
John Sutton of Attleborough, co. Norfolk, England, b. prob. aft. 1600,
migrated to Massachusetts Bay Colony/Rehoboth
See his dau. Margaret Sutton, b. Swansea, Bristol, Mass., married
Joseph Carpenter, 25 Nov 1655, Rehoboth, Plymouth Colony
[source]: http://members.cox.net/jrcrin001/Joseph3-Rehoboth&Swansea.pdf
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860 861
Thomas Skinner____________Hannah Carpenter
b.3?Nov 1668, Malden, b.21 1st mo.[March] 1671,
Middlesex, MA Swansea, Bristol, MA
married: by 1695, probably Swansea, Bristol, MA
d.btwn.29 Jun 1757/19 May 1758 d.afer 29 Jun 1757, probably
Norton, Bristol, MA Norton, Bristol, Ma
[source]:http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/CARPENTER/
2008-10/1223112758
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1720 1721
Thomas Skinner(Deac)___________Mary Pratt
b.25 Jul 1645,SubdeaneryParish, b.30 Sep 1643, Charlestown,
Chickester, England Suffolk, MA
married: 1665/66, Charlestown, Middlesex, MA
d.26 Mar 1722/23,Colchester, d.26 Mar 1704, Colchester,
New London, CT New London, CT
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1722 1723
Joseph Carpenter___________Margaret Sutton
b.baptized 6 Apr 1634,Shalbourne, b.?,
Berkshire, England Swansea, Bristol, MA
married: 25 Nov 1655, Rehoboth, Plymouth Colony
d.btwn: 3 May 1675/6 May 1675 d.btwn: 21 Mar 1675/6 and
buried: Swansea, Plymouth Colony, 4 Oct 1676, probably
now Barrington, Rhode Island Swansea, Plymouth Colony
[source]: http://members.cox.net/jrcrin001/Joseph3-Rehoboth&Swansea.pdf
Notes, by Eugene Cole Zubrinsky: Revised 2 October 2008: Prepared for
Carpenters’ Encyclopedia of Carpenters, 2nd ed., CD-ROM (2008)
JOSEPH3 CARPENTER (WILLIAM2–1) OF REHOBOTH AND SWANSEA, MASSACHUSETTS
JOSEPH3 CARPENTER (William2 of Rehoboth, William1) was baptized at
Shalbourne,
Berkshire, England, on 6 April 1634 and died at Swansea, Plymouth
Colony, between 3 May 1675 (date of will [not 1676]) and 6 May 1675
(date of burial). He is said to have been buried near the “100-acre
cove,” in that part of Swansea now Barrington, Rhode Island. Joseph
married at Rehoboth, Plymouth Colony, on 25 November (not May) 1655,
MARGARET SUTTON, who died, probably at Swansea, between 21 March 1675[/
6] and 4 October 1676 (not in 1700), daughter of John1 [and perhaps
Julian (______)] Sutton of Attleborough, co. Norfolk, England;
Hingham, Massachusetts Bay Colony; and Rehoboth (TAG 70:194, 204; RVR
1:44; PCPR 3:2:33, 36, 37; SwVR A:147; NEHGR 15:26, 91:61–64; 159:44–
45; Carpenter [1898] 45 [burial place]; see also MARRIAGE and COMMENTS
sections, below). [While the foregoing genealogical data is presented
in Register style, the embedding, grouping, and severe abbreviating of
source citations are conveniences that depart from it. Sources are
cited in full in KEY TO SOURCE NOTES, at the end of this sketch. The
format below is patterned loosely after that used by Robert Charles
Anderson in his Great Migration series.]
MARRIAGE: The month of Joseph and Margaret (Sutton) Carpenter’s
marriage, which Amos B. Carpenter mistakenly gives as May, is November
(Carpenter [1898] 45; RVR 1:44). Margaret Sutton’s date of birth is
unknown. The 1635 birth year often attributed to her stems from Amos
Carpenter’s identification of another woman’s gravestone inscription
as hers (see below). Widow Margaret Carpenter submitted her husband
Joseph’s estate inventory to the court on 21 March 1675[/6] (PCPR
3:2:36). In that her own inventory was taken on 4 October
1676, she died between those dates (see PCPR 3:2:37). The Old Rehoboth
(Newman) Cemetery gravestone whose inscription Amos Carpenter presents
as “M. C. D. Y. 1700 A. G. 65” and attributes to Margaret belongs to
Mary (Kingsbury) Cooper, born at Dedham, Massachusetts, 1 September
1637, and died at Rehoboth, 18 September 1700, wife of Thomas2 Cooper
(NEHGR 159:45n13; RI Cems 63; Carpenter [1898] 45). Due to this
misidentification, Amos Carpenter gives Margaret’s gravesite as the
“East Providence burial ground,” that is, the Old Rehoboth (Newman)
Cemetery (Carpenter [1898] 45). Having died so soon after her husband,
however, she is almost certainly buried next to him (see first
paragraph). IMMIGRATION: Joseph was the youngest of four Carpenter
children who accompanied their parents and paternal grandfather to
Massachusetts on the Bevis in 1638 (see William2 of Rehoboth sketch,
IMMIGRATION). RESIDENCES: Shalbourne; Weymouth (probably 1638);
Rehoboth (1644); and Swansea (by 22 February 1669/70). Amos Carpenter
has Joseph removing to Swansea in 1661
or 1662, but the town was not established until fall of 1667, and
Joseph was still living at Rehoboth on 2 April 1669 (Carpenter [1898]
45; PCR 4:169, 175; NEHGR 159:44, 45). OCCUPATION: House-carpenter/
joiner and yeoman. Joseph’s estate inventory contains an extensive
list of house-carpenter’s tools (PCPR 3:2:35–36; JC Inv [transcr]).
EDUCATION: He signed his will, and his estate inventory includes
several Bibles and other books (PCPR 3:2:33–36; JC Inv [transcr]).
OFFICES: Rehoboth: coroner’s jury, 1662. Swansea: way warden (surveyor
[overseer] of highways), 1671; grand juror (Plymouth Colony Grand
Enquest), 1673; appointed to preserve the town’s timber and wood, 1673
(PCR 4:13, 5:58, 114; SwTM 9, 19, 20). WILL/ESTATE: Joseph
Carpenter’s will, dated 3 May 1675 (three days before his burial),
mentions sons Joseph (eldest), Benjamin, and John, “my five
daughters” (names not given), “my beloved wife” (executrix), and his
brothers William and Samuel Carpenter (overseers). (William and Samuel
probably became guardians of the children.) The will
also acknowledges the impending birth of another child: “if hee be a
son; that now my wife is with child withall; hee shall have his p[or]t
[io]n . . .” (PCPR 3:2:33). The day after the will was written,
Joseph’s sixth surviving daughter, Margaret, was born (SwVR A:33).
Only four daughters have been identified. Joseph’s estate (movable
goods only), inventoried on 20 May 1675 and exhibited on 2 November
1676, was valued at £137 (not £437) 10s. 6d. (PCPR 3:2:33–36; JC Inv
[transcr]; see also OCCUPATION and EDUCATION, above).
Widow Margaret’s estate—the inventory was taken less than a year and a
half after her husband’s (see MARRIAGE, above)—amounted to £87 1s. 6d.
While only £23 13s. remained after payment of debts, expenses for the
children, etc., £38 8s. was nevertheless divided among eight children
(a daughter had apparently died) on an unspecified date (probably in
1681 or 1682) (PCPR 3:2:37–38, 4:2:121 [see record dates at 4:2:120,
122]; MC Inv [transcr]). CHILDREN: The following data differs in
important respects from—and supersedes—
information presented elsewhere in CECD 2008. Children of Joseph3 and
Margaret (Sutton) Carpenter, i–iv born at Rehoboth, viii–x born at
Swansea (RVR 1:10; SwVR A:17, 33, 59): i. JOSEPH4 CARPENTER, b. 15
Aug. 1656, d. Swansea 26 Feb. 1717/8, aged 63 [sic]; m. Swansea 23
Feb. 1681[/2?], MARY _______, b. ca. 1659, d. Swansea 1 or 12 March
1718[/9?] (not 1713), aged abt. 59; both bur. Kickemuit Cem., Swansea
(that part now Warren, R.I.) (SwVR A:94, B:130/249; NEHGR 48:442,
70:25; RI Cems 69). Corrections (to Carpenter [1898] 73–74, 122)
concerning their son Joseph5, b. Swansea 20 June 1688: Rather than
declaring marriage intentions at Bristol, Mass. (now in R.I.), on 16
February 1723, he married there (Rev. John Usher presiding) on 16
February 1723/4, Abigail Newton, sister of John Newton of Bristol.
Joseph5 did not die in Surinam on 4 February 1745 but drowned with
three others in passage from Hog Island to Bristol on 21 December
1728, when their canoe “sunk under them.” His widow, Abigail—not his
sister of that name, who died at Swansea 1 February 1683 (not 1783)—
married second, at Bristol on 29 (int. 16) February 1735/6, Obadiah
Papill(i)on. Abigail Papillon, “widow, of Rehoboth,” where she had
moved between 1763 and 1769, was buried at Providence, R.I., 16
February 1776. Joseph5 and Abigail (Newton) Carpenter had two (not
three) children: 1.
Sarah6, b. Bristol 3 Feb. 1724/5, d. probably Bristol 22 Feb. 174[7/]
8; 2. Joseph, b. Bristol _ Oct. 1726, d. Surinam (rec. Bristol) 4 (not
24) Feb. 1745, aged 19 (SwVR A:22, 137; RIVR 6:1[Bristol]:13, 121,
8:150, 202, 224, 10:152; NEHGR 124:177, 179; MQ 67:139). ii. BENJAMIN
CARPENTER, b. 15 (not 19) Jan. 1657[/8], d. Swansea 22? May 1727, aged
69, bur. Knockum Hill Cem., Barrington, R.I.; m. (1) prob. Dorchester,
Mass., by 1680 (1st child b. 27 Jan. 1680[/1?]), RENEW WEEKS, b.
Dorchester 12 6th mo. [Aug.] 1660, d.Swansea 29 July 1703, aged 43,
bur. Knockum Hill Cem., dau. of William and Elizabeth
(______ [not Atherton]) Weeks; m. (2) Swansea 27 Nov. 1706, MARTHA
(BLISS)
TOOGOOD (widow of Nathaniel), b. Rehoboth __ April 1663, d. there 22
March 1735, in 73rd yr., dau. of Jonathan Bliss and probable wife
Rachel Puffer (not Miriam Harmon/ Wilmarth) (RI Cems 68, 69; Stevens–
Miller 46, 266–67, 273; DChR 194 [“Jotham ye son of Benjamen Carpenter
ye mothers name was Renew ye daughter of William Weeks”]; DVR 7; SwVR
B:81/173, 138/257; NEHGR 151:31–37, 159:361–62; BrCoPR [abstr] 1:240;
RVR 1:5). For major corrections of the secondary literature pertaining
to Benjamin’s son John and his family, see NEHGR 159:49–53, iii.
ABIGAIL CARPENTER, b. 15 March 1659[/60?], d. perhaps Swansea, 1 Feb.
1683[/4?] (SwVR A:137). The death record gives Abigail’s parents as
Joseph Jr. and Mary Carpenter (no. i, above), but their first recorded
child is Mary, born 27 Dec. 1683 (SwVR A:35). If the Abigail who died
in 1683[/4?] had been born to that couple (eight children are recorded
for them at Swansea between 1683 and 1704), the logical explanation of
the failure to record her birth is that she died at that time or so
soon thereafter that only her death was recorded. This, however,
probably conflicts with the birth date (late 1683) of the couple’s
aforementioned daughter Mary: the date 1 Feb. 1683 probably represents
Old Style dating (year beginning 25 March), which
puts it only slightly more than one month after Mary’s birth. (To
allay any possible confusion, the Abigail Carpenter who married Jonah
Palmer Jr. in 1692 was William2 and Abigail (Briant) Carpenter’s dau.
Abigail (Carpenter) Titus [see Abigail3 sketch, first par.].) iv.
ESTHER CARPENTER, b. 10 (not 6) March 1661[/2?], d. Norton, Mass., 20
Dec. 1730; m. Swansea 19 March 1687, SAMUEL BRENTNALL/BRINTNELL, b.
Boston 2 Dec. 1665, d. Norton between 19 Nov. 1735 (will, in 70th yr.)
and 16 Dec. 1735 (est. inv.), son of Thomas and Esther (______)
Brentnall of Boston, Norton, and Taunton, Mass. Samuel m. (2)
Wrentham, Mass. (also rec. Norton) 23 May 1734, Elizabeth (Candage)
Blake
(widow of Jonathan2) (NoVR 202, 360; SwVR A:123; BVR 95, 250; BrCoPR
[abstr]
1:246; BrCoPR 1:225; Norton Hist 78; Blake Gen 35; WrVR 2:260). v.
DAUGHTER, b. between 1662 and 1671; place in birth order uncertain.
The Martha Carpenter
who was born ca. 1663 and died at Swansea 22 March 1735, in her 73rd
yr.,
is often said to have been Joseph and Margaret’s daughter (see, for
example, Carpenter [1898] 58; Stevens–Miller 266). She was in fact
their daughter-in-law Martha (Bliss) (Toogood) Carpenter, 2nd wife of
their son Benjamin (no. ii, above) (NEHGR 159:361–62; see also WILL/
ESTATE, above). Her proper identification eliminates the sole basis
for the assertion that Joseph and Margaret had a daughter Martha. vi.
JOHN CARPENTER, b. ca. 1667, prob. Rehoboth (father still res. there 2
April 1669), d. East Greenwich, R.I., 25 Aug. 1753, in 87th yr.; m.
(1?) by 1705, ______ GRINNELL, d. before 1721, dau. of Matthew2
Grinnell; m. (2?) by 1721 ELIZABETH _______; m. (3?) after 1726
ABIGAIL _______, living 12 Sept. 1753. Amos Carpenter mistakenly
presents John and his sister Hannah (no. viii, below) as twins, born
on 21 Jan. [sic]
1671/2. John’s birth is not recorded, however, and his age at death
makes him about five years her senior (NEHGR 159:43–47 [also includes
vital-event data about John’s children—Martha, Mary, Sarah, Diadema,
Prudence, Cornel, Dinah, and Joseph— seven of whom Amos Carpenter
mistakenly attributes (as he does two of John’s wives) to another John
Carpenter, son of Oliver4 Carpenter (Abiah3) of Warwick and North
Kingstown, R.I. (see Carpenter [1898] 75, 128–29)]; EGPR 2:67–73, at
67; see also Carpenter [1898] 58). vii. DAUGHTER, b. between 1662 and
1671; place in birth order uncertain (see WILL/ESTATE, above). viii.
HANNAH CARPENTER, b. 21 1st mo. [March] 1671 [uncertain if 1670/1 or
1671/2], d. probably Norton, after 29 June 1757 (named in husband’s
will); m. probably Swansea, by 1695 (1st child b. 30 May 1695), THOMAS
SKINNER, b. Malden, Mass., 3? Nov. 1668, d. Norton between 29 June
1757 (will, in 89th yr.) and 19 May 1758 (probate), son of Thomas and
Mary (Pratt) Skinner (BrCoPR [abstr] 2:219; WrVR 1:189; MalVR 79;
Skinner Kinsmen 8, 14–18; Ackley–Bosworth 277–78, 280; NEHGR 53:401–2;
Norton Hist 88–89). In the absence of documentary evidence that Thomas
Skinner’s wife, Hannah, was by birth a Carpenter, let alone this
Hannah Carpenter, strong circumstantial evidence makes the case. Six
children — Thomas, Solomon, Joseph, Hannah, Esther, and Mary— were
born to Thomas and Hannah Skinner at Wrentham between 1695 and 1706;
his will mentions all but Mary and adds Benjamin and Samuel (WrVR
1:189; Skinner Kinsmen 15–17; BrCoPR [abstr] 2:219). Four of these
names—Solomon, Joseph, Esther, and Benjamin—are also those of siblings
(and, in one instance, also the father) of the subject Hannah
Carpenter (see nos. i, ii, iv, above; ix, below). A fifth, Samuel, is
also the name of her sister Esther’s husband, Samuel Brentnall/
Brintnell
(see no. iv, above). They, like Thomas and Hannah Skinner, settled in
a part of Norton that is now Mansfield (Norton Hist 78, 89). Thomas
Skinner’s will describes his daughter Esther as the widow of Ebenezer
Brintnall; they had married at Norton in 1728 (Skinner Kinsmen 16;
BrCoPR [abstr] 2:219; NoVR 202). Ebenezer, who died at Norton about
1748, was the son of Samuel and Esther (Carpenter) Brentnall (BrCoPR
[abstr] 1:246, 2:35; WrVR 1:36). ix. SOLOMON CARPENTER, b. 27 April
1673, d. Swansea 25 Oct. 1674 (PCR 8:51).
x. MARGARET CARPENTER (probably posthumous), b. 4 May 1675, d.
Rehoboth 6 May
1751; m. probably Swansea (rec. Rehoboth), 4 June (not Jan.) 1695,
THOMAS CHAFFEE, b. Swansea 19 Oct. 1672, d. Rehoboth 21 Feb. 1754, son
of Nathaniel and Experience (Bliss) Chaffee (RVR 1:163 [not 95],
2:258, 3:358; SwVR A:63, 107). COMMENTS: Joseph Carpenter was one of
seven founding members of the Swansea Baptist Church. Formed at
Rehoboth in the fall of 1666 (not in 1663), it was relocated to
neighboring Swansea about a year later, when the latter town was
established (NEHGR 139:23–24; Rehoboth Hist 63). On 3 June 1673
letters of administration were “graunted unto Julian Sutton, widdow,
the late wife of John Sutton, of Rehoboth, deceased” (PCR 5:116). She
was Sutton’s wife on 5 28 May 1669, when she relinquished her dower
right to land he deeded to Jonathan Fuller (Early Rehoboth 3:160). It
is not at all certain, however, that she was the mother of Sutton’s
daughter Margaret. The record of Julian Sutton’s nuncupative will (an
oral declaration), dated 25 April 1678, mentions her “son-in-law”
Sergeant John Fitch, “with whom shee had sojourned about five years,”
and also “the Rest of the Children” (unnamed) (PCPR 3:2:110). But what
is meant by son-in-law in this instance? The term was often used
during this period to mean stepson. Was Fitch Julian’s stepson from a
previous marriage?
Had he, on the other hand, married a daughter of hers from a previous
marriage or a stepdaughter from either her marriage to Sutton or a
previous one? Only if Fitch’s wife, Mary, had been both Julian’s
natural daughter and a Sutton by birth would Margaret— who was almost
certainly younger than Mary (the Fitch’s eldest daughter married in
1667)—have been Julian’s daughter, as well (see RVR 1:179 [not 178];
TVR 2:184; BrCoPR 1:198, 211–12, 2:123–24, 171). Neither of these
conditions has been established, however. The name Julian, moreover,
fails to appear among any of John Sutton’s known or supposed daughters
and granddaughters (Stevens–Miller 269–70; BrCoPR 2:123, 171).
Presumably based on these facts, the distinguished genealogist Mary
Lovering Holman (without explanation) identifies Julian as John
Sutton’s second wife (Stevens–Miller
269). It is sometimes said that Julian Sutton’s maiden name was
Little, and that she married John Sutton at Scituate, Massachusetts,
in 1636 (see for example, IGI; Ancestry.com). But John Sutton—with a
wife and four children—did not arrive in New England until 1638; the
earliest recorded marriage at Scituate, moreover, is dated in 1640
(NEHGR 15: 26; MD 2:32). A Sutton marriage is recorded at Scituate,
but it was that of John2 Sutton (Margaret’s brother) and Elizabeth
House, in 1661 (SVR 2:283). No record is found of a
Julian Little in New England. KEY TO SOURCE NOTES: Ackley–Bosworth
Nathan Grier Parke II, The Ancestry of Lorenzo Ackley & His Wife Emma
Arabella Bosworth, ed. Donald Lines Jacobus (Woodstock, Vt., 1960);
digital images online at www.ancestry.com; Blake Gen Francis E. Blake,
Increase Blake of Boston, His Ancestors and Descendants, with a Full
Account of William Blake
of Dorchester and His Five Children (Boston, 1898); BrCoPR Bristol
County, Massachusetts, Probate Records, vols. 1–4 [Family History
Library (FHL), Salt Lake City, film #461,882]; BrCoPR [abstr] H. L.
Peter Rounds, Abstracts of Bristol County, Massachusetts, Probate
Records, 2 vols. (Baltimore, 1988);
BVR Boston Births, Baptisms, Marriages, and Deaths, 1630– 1699, Ninth
Report of the Boston Record Commissioners (Boston 1883; repr. Boston
1908);
Carpenter [1898] Amos B. Carpenter, A Genealogical History of the
Rehoboth
Branch of the Carpenter Family in America [informal title: Carpenter
Memorial] (Amherst, Mass., 1898); DChR Records of the First Church at
Dorchester in New England, 1636–1734 (Boston, 1891) [FHL film
#856,696]; DVR Dorchester Births, Marriages, and Deaths to the End of
1825, Twenty-first Report of the Boston Record Commissioners (Boston,
1890); Early Rehoboth Richard LeBaron Bowen, Early Rehoboth:
Documented Historical Studies of Families and Events in This Plymouth
Colony Township, 4 vols. (Rehoboth, Mass., 1945–1950); EGPR East
Greenwich, Rhode Island, Probate Records [FHL film #926,804, item 3];
IGI International Genealogical Index, online at www.familysearch.org;
JC Inv [transcr] Joseph Carpenter estate inventory (transcription),
online at
www.histarch.uiuc.edu/plymouth/P239.htm, a Plymouth Colony Archive
Project webpage (contains errors, including dates [as of 2/22/08]);
MC Inv [transcr] Margaret Carpenter estate inventory (transcription),
online at
www.histarch.uiuc.edu/plymouth/P278.htm, a Plymouth Colony Archive
Project webpage (contains errors [as of 2/22/08]); MD The Mayflower
Descendant, vol. 1 through present (1899– 1937, 1985–); MQ The
Mayflower Quarterly, vol. 1 (1935) through present; MalVR Deloraine
Pendre Corey, Births, Marriages and Deaths in the Town of Malden,
Massachusetts, 1649-1850 (Cambridge, Mass., 1903); NEHGR The New
England Historical and Genealogical Register, vol. 1 (1847) through
present; Norton Hist George Faber Clark, A History of the Town of
Norton, Bristol County, Massachusetts, from 1669 to 1859 (Boston/
Norton, 1859); digital images online at http://books.google.com; NoVR
Vital Records of Norton, Massachusetts, to the Year 1850, 2 vols.
(Boston, 1906); PCPR Plymouth Colony Probate Records [Wills and
Inventories, 1633–1686], vols. 1–4 [FHL film #567,794]; PCR Records of
the Colony of New Plymouth in New England,
ed. Nathaniel B. Shurtleff and David Pulsifer, 12 vols. in 10 (Boston,
1855–1861); Rehoboth Hist Leonard Bliss Jr., The History of Rehoboth,
Bristol County, Massachusetts (Boston, 1836); RI Cems The Rhode Island
Historical Cemeteries Transcription Project Master Index, online at
www.rootsweb.com/~rigenweb/cemetery; RIVR James N. Arnold, Vital
Record of Rhode Island, 1636–1850, 21 vols. (Providence, 1891–1912);
RVR Rehoboth, Massachusetts, Vital Records, vol. 1 [FHL film #562,559
(restricted), item 3], vols. 2–3 [FHL #562,558 (uncatalogued), items 5–
6]; citations of vol. 1 in text, above, include any necessary
corrections to page numbers cited in James N. Arnold, Vital Record of
Rehoboth, 1642–1896 (Providence, 1897); Skinner Kinsmen Natalie R.
Fernald, The Skinner Kinsmen: Descendants of Thomas Skinner of Malden,
Massachusetts (Washington, D.C., 1939); digital images online at
www.ancestry.com; Stevens–Miller: Mary Lovering Holman, Ancestry of
Colonel John Harrington Stevens and His Wife Frances Helen Miller
(Concord, N.H., 1948); SVR Vital Records of Scituate, Massachusetts,
to the Year 1850,
2 vols. (Boston, 1909); SwTM Swansea, Massachusetts, Town Meetings,
1670–1718 [FHL film #903,396, item 5]; SwVR Swansea, Massachusetts,
Vital Records [FHL film #903,395, items 5, 7]; TAG The American
Genealogist, vol. 9 (1932) through present; TVR Vital Records of
Taunton, Massachusetts, to the Year 1850, 3 vols. (Boston, 1929);
WrVR Vital Records of Wrentham, Massachusetts, to the Year 1850, 2
vols. (Boston, 1910): Thanks to John R. Carpenter (La Mesa, Calif.),
Terry L. Carpenter (Germantown, Md.), and John F. Chandler (Harvard,
Mass.) for reviewing a draft of this sketch. Gene Zubrinsky
(Gen...@aol.com) has contributed many articles, including three
Carpenter
pieces, to the leading genealogical journals and local-history
magazines.
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3444 3445
William Carpenter2__________Abigail Briant(Briante)
b.about 1605, England b.baptized 27 May 1604,
Shalbourne Parish, England
married: 28 Apr 1625 in Shalbourne Parish, Berskshire, England
d. 7 Feb 1658/9, Rehoboth, d.buried 22 Feb 1686/7
Plymouth Colony, now Bristol Co., MA
[both buried Old Rehoboth (Newman) Cemetery, now Rumford,
East Providence, RI]
__________________________________________________________________
3446 3447
John Sutton1_________Julian? Unknown
b. -?- b. -?-
Of Attleborough, co. Norfolk, England and of Hingham, Massachusetts
Bay Colony, and Rehoboth
married: -?-
d. -?- d. -?-
[see Margaret Sutton 1723]
MARGARET SUTTON, who died, probably at Swansea, between 21 March 1675[/
6] and 4 October 1676 (not in 1700), daughter of John1 [and perhaps
Julian (______)] Sutton of Attleborough, co. Norfolk, England;
Hingham, Massachusetts Bay Colony; and Rehoboth (TAG 70:194, 204; RVR
1:44; PCPR 3:2:33, 36, 37; SwVR A:147; NEHGR 15:26, 91:61–64; 159:44–
45; Carpenter [1898] 45 [burial place]; see also MARRIAGE and COMMENTS
sections, below).
mhol...@mac.com
> Seeking information on John Sutton immigrant family (dau. Margaret)
> from England to Massachusetts Bay Colony
>
English Emigrants Who Came to New England by 1662 (Baltimore, MD:
Gateway Press, 1989), pp. 194-200.
Cwatters
"cl.uk" <carolyn...@googlemail.com> wrote in message
news:2dc76f5a-8344-4acc...@d14g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...
>Seeking information on John Sutton immigrant family (dau. Margaret)
>from England to Massachusetts Bay Colony
>
>John Sutton of Attleborough, co. Norfolk, England, b. prob. aft. 1600,
>migrated to Massachusetts Bay Colony/Rehoboth
>
>See his dau. Margaret Sutton, b. Swansea, Bristol, Mass., married
>Joseph Carpenter, 25 Nov 1655, Rehoboth, Plymouth Colony
>
>[source]: http://members.cox.net/jrcrin001/Joseph3-Rehoboth&Swansea.pdf
The LDS have these entries and others proposing names for his parents and
more. I wouldn't assume it's correct but at least it might be worth
following up.
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Margaret SUTTON (AFN: 8MJ2-W5) Pedigree
Sex: F Family
Event(s)
Birth: 1634/1635
Rehoboth, Bristol, Mass.
Death: 1677/1678
Rehoboth, Bristol, Mass.
Burial:
Providence Cem, Rehoboth, Bristol, Ma
Parents
Father: John SUTTON (AFN: 8N41-3P) Family
Mother: Juliana LITTLE (AFN: 8N41-4V)
Marriage(s)
Spouse: Joseph CARPENTER (AFN: 2PN2-DW) Family
Marriage: 25 Nov 1655
Reboboth, Bristol, Ma
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John SUTTON (AFN: 8N41-3P) Pedigree
Sex: M Family
Event(s)
Birth: 1593
Of Rehoboth, Bristol, England
Death: 1 Jun 1672
Rehoboth, Bristol, Massachusetts
Parents
Father: George SUTTON (AFN: 8KG6-V6) Family
Mother: Sarah TILDEN (AFN: 2L8J-SG)
Father: Henry SUTTON (AFN: 8N41-52) Family
Mother: Mrs Henry SUTTON (AFN: 22T6-VLS)
Marriage(s)
Spouse: Sarah TILDEN (AFN: 1W4Q-185) Family
Marriage:
Spouse: Juliana LITTLE (AFN: 8N41-4V) Family
Marriage: 13 Mar 1636
Scituate, Plymouth, Ma
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cl.uk
I got an email offlist, stating:
Per "The History of the Town of Hingham," vol. 3, p. 227 (NEHGR, Vol.
91,
p.227) John Sutton "and his wife and four children came from
Atleburraye and
settled in New Hingham, 1638." Arrived, together with his son, John,
aboard
'The Diligent." Moved to Rehoboth in 1643.
Per page 64, Vol. 91, NEHGR "From the above facts, the family of John
Sutton
consisted of himself, his wife, Julian, and his children, John, Mary,
Ester,
Anne, Margaret, and Hannah.
I copied this stuff from the poole database on WorldConnect. No idea
of the
reliability otherwise, but the NEHGR article(s) should help.
I have Sutton in Suffolk, the earliest I know being another John born
about
1625, possibly Bury St Edmonds.
I tried to access the 31 English Emigrants on Google Books without
much luck.
Has anyone got earlier English background on this Sutton line?
Cwatters
> Has anyone got earlier English background on this Sutton line?
Try..
http://my.att.net/p/s/community.dll?ep=87&subpageid=143784&ck=
It suggests some other sources but most are rather modern (1930s).
I wasn't able to google a reference for the original passenger list. Looks
like lists on the web/books have been compiled.
cl.uk
<colin.wattersNOS...@TurnersOakNOSPAM.plus.com> wrote:
> "cl.uk" <carolynleeds...@googlemail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:d92364f2-c2df-4c69...@m2g2000vbp.googlegroups.com...
>
> > Has anyone got earlier English background on this Sutton line?
>
>
> It suggests some other sources but most are rather modern (1930s).
>
> I wasn't able to google a reference for the original passenger list. Looks
> like lists on the web/books have been compiled.
Update, from Suttons/Carpenter:
From: Gen...@aol.com
Subject: Re: [CARPENTER] Sutton Line,John Sutton's dau. Margaret m.
Joseph Carpenter 25 Nov 1655 ...
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 04:59:21 EST
>> Has anyone got earlier English background on this Sutton line?
> Joseph Carpenter___________Margaret Sutton
> b.baptized 6 Apr 1634,Shalbourne, b.?,
> Berkshire, England Swansea, Bristol, MA
> married: 25 Nov 1655, Rehoboth, Plymouth Colony
> d.btwn: 3 May 1675/6 May 1675 d.btwn: 21 Mar 1675/6 and
> buried: Swansea, Plymouth Colony, 4 Oct 1676, probably
> now Barrington, Rhode Island Swansea, Plymouth Colony
____________________________________________________
Margaret Sutton was born either in England or at Hingham; Swansea
wasn't
established until 1667.
As the _Register_ article (NEHGR 91[1937]:63-68) indicates (quoting
from
Daniel Cushing's record (NEHGR 15[1861]:25-27), the Sutton family came
from
Attleborough, which Mary Lovering Holman's sketch of John Sutton
identifies as a
parish six miles southwest of Norwich, in co. Norfolk (Stevens-Miller
Ancestry, vol. 1 [1948], 269).
On Margaret's parentage is this, from a recently prepared sketch of
Joseph3
Carpenter accessible at <http://members.cox.net/jrcrin001/
carplink.htm>;:
On 3 June 1673 letters of administration were “graunted unto Julian
Sutton,
widdow, the late wife of John Sutton, of Rehoboth, deceased” (PCR
5:116). She
was Sutton’s wife on 28 May 1669, when she relinquished her dower
right to
land he deeded to Jonathan Fuller (Early Rehoboth 3:160). It is not at
all
certain, however, that she was the mother of Sutton’s daughter
Margaret. The
record of Julian Sutton’s nuncupative will (an oral declaration),
dated 25 April
1678, mentions her “son-in-law” Sergeant John Fitch, “with whom shee
had
sojourned about five years,” and also “the Rest of the
Children” (unnamed)
(PCPR 3:2:110). But what is meant by _son-in-law_ in this instance?
The term was
often used during this period to mean _stepson_. Was Fitch Julian’s
IGI; Ancestry.com). But John Sutton--with a wife and four children--
did not
arrive in New England until 1638; the earliest recorded marriage at
Scituate,
moreover, is dated in 1640 (NEHGR 15:26; MD 2:32). A Sutton marriage
is
recorded at Scituate, but it was that of John2 Sutton (Margaret’s
brother) and
Elizabeth House, in 1661 (SVR 2:283). No record is found of a Julian
Little in
New England.
Re: Update, does anyone have information on Suttons from Attleborough,
parish six miles outhwest of Norwich, in co. Norfolk, England?
As the _Register_ article (NEHGR 91[1937]:63-68) indicates (quoting
from
Daniel Cushing's record (NEHGR 15[1861]:25-27), the Sutton family came
from
Attleborough, which Mary Lovering Holman's sketch of John Sutton
identifies as a
parish six miles southwest of Norwich, in co. Norfolk (Stevens-Miller
Ancestry, vol. 1 [1948], 269).
Cwatters
>that she married John Sutton at Scituate, Massachusetts, in 1636 (see for
>example, IGI; Ancestry.com). But John Sutton--with a wife and four
>children-- did not arrive in New England until 1638; the earliest
>recorded marriage at Scituate, moreover, is dated in 1640
This site suggests her maiden name was ADCOCKE but gives no really early
sources.
http://flitcraft.ancestryregister.com/CARPENTER00001.htm
The earliest source cited appears to be
301. Carpenter, Amos B., A Genealogical History of the Rehoboth Branch of
the Carpenter Family in America as Brought Down from Their English Ancestors
(also known as the 'Carpenter Memorial') (Carpenter & Morehouse; Amherst MA;
1898), Pages 45-46.
It seems there was a Julian ADCOCKE christened in Attleborough or at least
there is an extraction in the IGI...
JULIAN ADCOCKE Female
Christening: 11 FEB 1598 Attleborough, Norfolk, England
Father: JOHN ADCOCKE Family
The following poster refers to Julian ADCOCKE in passing and links her to
Rehoboth, Massachusetts..
http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/PAINE/2003-09/1062691831
If I've followed it right her sister Neele ADCOCKE married Stephen PAINE and
they and several other PAINEs went over on the 1639 Diligent.
There is an IGI extraction for NEELE ADCOK
Christening: 20 FEB 1602 Attleborough, Norfolk, England
Father: JOHN ADCOK Family
cl.uk
In New England Marriages Prior to 1700 by Clarence Almon Torrey there
are
two John Suttons shown. I believe they were father and son.
JOHN SUTTON (-1672) & JULIAN _?__(- 1678); in Eng, banns 1621
Hingham/Rehoboth
JOHN SUTTON (1621-1691) (ae 70 in 1691) & ELIZABETH HOUSE
(1636-1679+);
banns
1-1-1661 Scituate
cl.uk
I am a reader of Gen-Medieval-L but I am not a contributor, therefore
I am providing this information to you which you are welcome to share
in that forum or elsewhere.
I am a descendant of John Sutton's daughter Margaret, who married
Joseph Carpenter. One of the responders to your question regarding
John Sutton referenced the book, Thirty-One English Immigrants Who
Came to New England by 1662, by Dorothy C. and Gerald E. Knoff, 1989.
I copied off these pages some years back and here is some information
given:
On about three trips to England starting in 1959, Gerald Knoff
searched for records pertaining to John Sutton and his family. In
Boyd's Marriage Index, Norfolk 1626-1650, v. 6, p. 99, he found the
marriage records of John Sutton and Elizabeth Skarlette. He also
traveled to the Church of Saint Stephen in Norwich and viewed the
Parish Register, and reported these records:
Marriages:
John Sutton of Wortwell, single man married Elizabeth Skarlette of
Norwich Dec. 4, 1927.
Baptized:
March 11, 1631 John, first son of John Sutton
January 16, 1632 Margaret, daughter of John Sutton
The book went on to say that in 1962 he went to see the Register of
St. Stephen's Church at Wortwell, but the church was locked and no one
could be found.
He goes on to say that sometime after the birth of Margaret the Sutton
family moved to Attleborough from which they came to Massachusetts.
They were passengers on the Diligent. Planters of the Commonwealth
1620-1640, by Charles Edward Banks 1930, gives the family of John
Sutton as follows:
John Sutton of Attleborough, Norfolk to Hingham
Mrs. Elizabeth Sutton
Hannah Sutton
John Sutton, Jr.
Nathaniel Sutton
Elizabeth Sutton.
He noted that Margaret, who was baptized at the Church of St. Stephen,
was not named among the children.
He mentioned that at some time John Sutton married a second wife, as
the name of his widow was Julian. John Sutton died on 1 Jun 1672 and
left an estate record.
The author included the following children (summarized):
1. John, bapt. at St. Stephens Church in Norwich on 11 Mar 1631.
Married in Scituate 1 January 1661 to Elizabeth House, d/o Samuel
House. John Sutton of Scituate left a will dated 12 Nov 1691,
indicating he was aged 70 years or there abouts.
2. Margaret, bapt. at St. Stephen's Church in Norwich on 16 Jan
1632. "she may have died in England or Banks may not have learned of
her existence. If Cushing [Town clerk of Hingham, MA] numbered six
persons in the family of John Sutton, she would have made it seven. If
she died in England, another child was named Margaret, for a Margaret
Sutton, daughter of John, married at Rehoboth 25 Nov 1655 Joseph
Carpenter."
3. Hannah, named in Banks' list of the Sutton children, but may have
been the daughter Anna.
4. Anna/Anne married at Rehoboth 23 Oct 1651 to John Doggett. Other
sources say November. Torrey has her birthdate about 1629 which would
make her probably the oldest child in the family, as John is called
"the first son."
5. Mary married John Fitch.
6. Nathaniel, b. England
7. Elizabeth, b. England
8. Ester, b. prob. Mass, m. at Rehoboth 4 Mar 1656 to Richard Bowen.
The author included a brief account and photographs of St. Stephen's,
Wortwell and St. Stephen's, Norwich.
I just took a look at the IGI and the marriage of John Sutton and
Elizabeth Skarlette is included as an entry. The FHL indicates that
it has microfilm of the parish records of St. Stephen's Norwich, but
there is nothing for Wortwell.
I made contact a few days ago with the Sutton surname study through
FamilyTree DNA. The coordinator contacted me to say that none of the
current participants is descended from this John Sutton.
You are welcome to pass this information on to others who have
interest in this Sutton family.
Cwatters
>I received the following off-list:
> John Sutton of Wortwell, single man married Elizabeth Skarlette of
> Norwich Dec. 4, 1927.
http://www.genealogy.theroyfamily.com/p25848.htm
cl.uk
From: Gen...@aol.com
http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/CARPENTER/2008-12/1229395332
Subject: Re: [CARPENTER] Sutton Line,John Sutton's dau. Margaret m.
Joseph Carpenter 25 Nov 1655
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 21:42:12 EST
<< If I've followed it right [Julian Adcock's] sister Neele ADCOCKE
married
Stephen PAINE and they and several other PAINEs went over on the 1639
Diligent. >>
The Adcocke-Paine connection turns out to be key: Like John Sutton and
his
family, the Paines came to Massachusetts on the _Diligent_ in 1638--
the
Suttons from Attleborough, the Paines from [adjacent] Great Ellingham,
both in co.
Norfolk (NEHGR 15[1861]:26-27
<http://www.newenglandancestors.org/database_search/nehgsr.asp?
page=1&vol=15&pg=26&Browse=1&anchor=#image>;). The two men
and their families are listed in succession in the record of Daniel
Cushing,
from which the foregoing information comes (ibid., 26).
Among those mentioned in the will of John Adcocke of Great Ellingham,
dated
12 October 1638 and proved 30 (25?) January 1638/9, are the
following:
"Stephen Payne my sonn in lawe"; "Nicholas Braye my sonn in lawe and
Elizabeth his
wife"; "Stephen Payne John Payne Nathaniell Payne and Rebecca Payne
my
grandchildren"; grandchild Ruth Bray, daughter of Elizabeth and
Nicholas; and
grandchild Elizabeth SUTTON (my caps) (NEHGR 143[1989]:299-300
<http://www.newenglandancestors.org/database_search/nehgsr.asp?f=F:/
Inetpub/wwwroot/nehgs/nehgsr/d
isk8/1989/989D299.gif&cnt=&ffile=989D300.gif&anchor=#image>). Although
the
testator lived at Great Ellingham for a few months prior to his death
and
was buried there, he had been a longtime resident of Attleborough
(ibid., 299).
Among the children of John and Elizabeth (Eldred) Adcocke (m.
Attleborough
20 July 1593), all baptized at Attleborough, were Elizabeth, bp. 2
Feb.
1596/7 (m. Nicholas Bray); Julian, bp 11 Feb. 1598/9 (see below); and
Neele, bp.
20 Feb. 1602/3 (m. Stephen Paine) (NEHGR 143:300n).
The foregoing data, when considered along with Rehoboth and Plymouth
Colony
records pertaining to Neele Payne (d. Rehoboth, 20 Jan. 1660, wife of
Stephen
Sr.) and Julian Sutton (widow of John; bur. Rehoboth, 4 June 1678),
strongly
suggest that these women were sisters, both of them daughters of John
and
Elizabeth (Eldred) Adcocke. Although we lack direct evidence that
Julian
(Adcocke) Sutton was the mother of all John Sutton's children--or at
least (for
our purposes) of Margaret (Sutton) Carpenter--it is likely that John
Adcocke's
granddaughter Elizabeth Sutton (see above), presumably named after
Julian's
mother, preceded Margaret in the birth order. (Grandparents' names
were
usually given to children early in the birth order.) From this, we
may
tentatively conclude that Julian was also Margaret's mother.
The marriage at Norwich on 4 Dec. 1627 of John Sutton of Wortwell and
Elizabeth Skarlett of Norwich and the subsequent baptisms there of
children John
and Margaret, almost certainly pertain to another John Sutton, and not
simply
because of the facts presented above. In his will, dated at Scituate,
Mass.,
on 12 November 1691, John2 Sutton describes himself as "aged 70 years
or
there abouts" (NEHGR 91(1937):63
<http://www.newenglandancestors.org/database_search/nehgsr.asp?
vol=91&pg=63&page=1&cnt=0&anchor=#image>;). This implies a
birth year of about 1621, at least nine years earlier than that of the
John
Sutton baptized at Norwich on 11 March 1631[/2?], presumably the son
of John and
Elizabeth (Skarlett) Sutton. There is no reason, moreover, to think
that
the wife who accompanied _Diligent_ passenger John Sutton was named
Elizabeth,
as Banks has it. The forenames Banks gives for John1 Sutton's wife
and
children are actually those of John2's (see NEHGR 91[1937]:63, 64).
The only
record we have of the _Diligent_'s Sutton passengers is that of Daniel
Cushing,
which mentions a wife and four children but names only John. (It's
therefore
moot, but as the wife of Nicholas Bray, John Adcocke's daughter
Elizabeth
was clearly not the wife of John Sutton.)
While it certainly appears that Margaret (Sutton) Carpenter's mother
was
Julian (Adcocke) Sutton, I remain puzzled that Julian's name does not
recur--even once, so far as I can tell--among Sutton descendants.
Maybe she wasn't a
very nice person.:-)
cl.uk
(Adcocke) Sutton
of Attleborough, co. Norfolk, England, parents of Margaret Sutton, m.
Joseph Carpenter
From off-list, it appears that
Margaret, Esther, etc., were the children of John and Julian (Adcocke)
Sutton of
Attleborough, co. Norfolk.
can anyone assist?
__________________________________________
Contributor to Carpenter/Sutton at rootsweb wrote:
. . . correct me if my conclusions are wrong:
Margaret Sutton and Esther (m. Richard Bowen) were sisters, and their
parents were John and Elizabeth (Skarlett) Sutton.
The above Margaret Sutton, sister of Esther, dau. of John and
Elizabeth
Skarlett, married Joesph Carpenter, re: this thread.
_________________________________________________
From: Gen...@aol.com
Subject: Re: [CARPENTER] Sutton Line,John Sutton's dau. Margaret m.
Joseph Carpenter 25 Nov
Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 06:14:06 EST
Yes, Margaret Sutton (m. Joseph3 Carpenter of Rehoboth and Swansea)
and
Esther Sutton (m. Richard2 Bowen of Rehoboth) were sisters. The other
Sutton
siblings were John2 (aged about 70 in 1691); Hannah (d. Hingham,
1642); Mary (m.
John Fitch of Taunton and Rehoboth); and Anne (m. John2 Daggett/
Doggett of
Rehoboth and Martha's Vineyard).
No, their parents were _not_ John and Elizabeth (Sutton) Skarlett. In
my
previous couple of postings, I argue two things: (1) since Margaret's
brother,
John2 Sutton of Hingham and Scituate, was born about 1621 and lived
until
1691 (see above), it's virtually certain that his (and his siblings')
parents
were not John and Elizabeth (Skarlett) Sutton, whose son John was
baptized in
1631[/2?], nine or ten years after the birth of John2 Sutton; and (2)
the best
evidence--John Adcocke's will, the baptismal records of his daughters
Neele
and Julian, Daniel Cushing's record of _Diligent_-passenger families,
and the
Rehoboth death records of Neele Paine and Julian Sutton--is that
Margaret,
Esther, etc., were the children of John and Julian (Adcocke) Sutton
of
Attleborough, co. Norfolk.
In light of the above, the fact that a daughter Margaret was born to a
John
Sutton of Wortwell probably in the same decade as the birth of the
Margaret
Sutton who married Joseph Carpenter is simply a coincidence. The
commonness
of the surname Sutton and forenames John and Margaret makes this all
the more
probable. To seize upon John and Elizabeth (Skarlett) Sutton as the
parents
of Margaret (Sutton) Carpenter and her siblings--the only evidence
being
matching names (20+ miles separate Attleborough and Wortwell)--is a
classic case
of "right name, wrong man."
Cwatters
> The search has shifted: now seeking information on John and Julian
> (Adcocke) Sutton
> of Attleborough, co. Norfolk, England, parents of Margaret Sutton, m.
> Joseph Carpenter
>
Father John Adcocke
Mother Elizabeth Eldred
http://davidansley.com/family/getperson.php?personID=I35&tree=ourfamily
Also has her siblings..
http://davidansley.com/family/getperson.php?personID=I31&tree=ourfamily
Extraction for their marriage..
IGI Individual RecordFamilySearchT International Genealogical Index v5.0
British Isles
Search Results | Download | Print
JOHN ADCOKE Pedigree
Male Family
Event(s):
Birth:
Christening:
Death:
Burial:
Marriages:
Spouse: ELIZABETH ELDRED Family
Marriage: 07 OCT 1593 Attleborough, Norfolk, England
Messages:
Extracted marriage record for locality listed in the record. The source
records are usually arranged chronologically by the marriage date.
Source Information:
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type:
M133551 1552 - 1840 6026308 Film 6907202 Film
Sheet: 00
Other IGI submissions say John Adcocke was born circa 1568 in Great
Ellingham, Norfolk