Barony of Clinton---I-VII
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accepted. Unfortunately, I do not see a Gore, Cheney, or Lieberman Peerage.
I. 1. JOHN DE CLINTON, of Amington and Maxstoke, co. Warwick, 2nd but 1st
surviving son and heir of Thomas de CLINTON, of Amington (died v.p., before
1264), by Maud, daughter of Sir Ralph BRACEBRIDGE, of Kinsbury, co. Warwick,
was born probably in 1258. He served, or was called upon to serve, in the
Scottish and French wars. He was summoned to Parliament 6 February 1298/9 by
writ directed Johanni de Clinton, whereby he is held to have become LORD
CLINTON. He was never again so summoned. He was 2 years later (12 March
13OO/1), summoned with more than a thousand others cum equis et armis, being
then denominated as of Maxstoke. He appears to have been Knight of the Shire
for co. Warwick 1300-01. Constable of Wallingford Castle, 1308. He married,
probably about 1290, Ida, sister and coheir of Edmund d'ODINGSELLS, 1st
daughter of William d'ODINGSELLS, of Maxstoke, by Ela, daughter of Walter
FITZ ROBERT, of Woodham Walter, with whom he acquired the Lordship and Castle
of Maxstoke and other considerable possessions. He died late in 1310. His
widow accompanied the Queen Consort to France in 1312-13. She, who was born
about 1270, was living 1 March 1321/2. [CP 3:312-13]
The name is said to be from the manor of Glinton, afterwards Clinton,
Northants near Market Deeping, but the Clintons were Oxfordshire people as
early as 1230. In N. & Q., 7th Series, vol. viii, p. 486, it is stated that
the 1st Earl of Lincoln "obtained a grant of this very district of Glinton,"
no doubt because of the similarity of name. Lower, in his Family Names,
states it to be "from Glimpton, anciently written Clinton, co. Oxford. The
founder of the family, Geoffrey de Clinton, Treasurer and Chamberlain to King
Henry I, is said, by Ordericus (who, as a contemporary, probably can be
trusted), to have been of mean parentage, though, according to some accounts
he was of the noblest Norman extraction.
II. 2. JOHN (DE CLINTON), LORD CLINTON, son and heir born probably in, or
shortly before 1300. He fought, 16 March 1321/2, ex parte Regis, at
Boroughbridge. Knighted before 1324. From 27 January I331/2 to 1 April
1335, he was summoned to Parliament, the words " Mortuus est" being added to
the last writ. He married, before 24 February 1328/9, Margery, daughter of
Sir William CORBET, of Chaddesley Corbet, co. Worcester. He died about 1335.
His widow was living May 1343. [CP 3:313]
III. 3. JOHN (DE CLINTON), LORD CLINTON, son and heir. On the death, 25
August 1354, of his paternal uncle, William (de Clinton], Earl of Huntingdon,
he was found his heir and then aged 28, being born not later than March
1325/6. Having previously been knighted he served in 1355 in the French
wars, and was at the battle of Poitiers 1356. He was summoned to Parliament
from 15 December 1357 to 5 November 1397. On 30 May 1377 he was ordered to
go to his manor of Folkestone to resist an apprehended invasion by the
French. In 1380 he was again in the wars with France. Keeper of the lands
of the attainted Earl of Warwick 1390, and Constable of Warwick Castle 1390
to September 1397. He married, 1stly, probably in 1350, Idoine daughter
(whose issue, in 1399, became coheirs) of Geoffrey (DE SAY), LORD SAY, by
Maud, daughter of Guy (DE BEAUCHAMP), EARL OF WARWICK. He is presumed to
have married, 2ndly, (------). She died before 26 June 1384. He married,
probably 3rdly, Joan, widow of Sir Philip LIMBURY, who died 6 July 1367. She
died 21 February 1387/8. He married, probably 4thly, before 24 October 1388,
when he had pardon for marriage without license, Elizabeth, widow of Robert
(GREY), LORD GREY [of Rotherfield), and before that of Sir John (son of Fulk)
DE BERMINGHAM (whom she married before 3 July 1356, when aged 9), posthumous
daughter and eventually sole heir of William DE LA PLAUNCHE, of Haversham,
Bucks, by Elizabeth, coheir of her brother Sir Roger HILLARY, being younger
of the 2 daughters of Sir Roger HILLARY, Chief Justice of the Common Pleas,
of Bescot, Staffs. He died 6 September 1398. His widow married, 4thly
(lic., 24 December 1398), Sir John RUSSELL. She died s.p., 1423, after 1
September, and was buried at Haversham. [CP 3:314]
IV 4. WILLIAM (DE CLINTON), LORD CLINTON, grandson and heir, being son and
heir of Sir William DE CLINTON (by, as is said, Elizabeth, daughter of
William, LORD DEINCOURT),who was son and heir apparent of the last Lord by
his 1st wife but died v,.p. leaving his said son and heir, then aged 5. He
was summoned to Parliament from 19 August 1399 to 27 November 1430. Having,
in 1399, succeeded to some of the lands of the family of Say, in right of his
grandmother, he assumed the style of LORD SAY, to which Barony he was a
coheir. He married, 1stly, Anne, daughter of Sir Thomas TRIVETT, by
Elizabeth, daughter of Sir Philip LIMBURY. He married, 2ndly, between 13
August (when he had license) and November 1409, Alice or Anne, widow of Fulk
FITZWARIN (who died a minor 31 October 1407), daughter of William (BOTREAUX),
LORD BOTREAUX, by Elizabeth, daughter of Sir John ST. LO. She died 17 October
1420. He married, 3rdly, Mary, widow of Sir Henry RETFORD, of Carlton
Paynel, and of Castlethorpe, co. Lincoln. He died 30 July (or 20 August)
1431. His widow (who occurs as such 7 January 1431/2) married, 3rdly, Sir
John HERON, of Northumberland. She died 2 February 1458/9.
[CP 3:315]
V. 5. JOHN (DE CLINTON), LORD CLINTON, son and heir, born 1410, aged 22 at
his father's death. He alienated the castle and manor of Maxstoke. Serving
in the war with France in 1441, he was taken prisoner and detained more than
6 years, when he was ransomed for 6,000 marks. He was summoned to Parliament
4 September 1450 to 3O July 1460. His kinsman, Sir James Fiennes, having
been summoned to Parliament in 1447 as Lord Say and Sele, he (Lord Clinton)
being (together with Roger Fiennes, eldest brother of the said James) one of
the coheirs of the Barony of Say (created 1313, confirmed by deed, 1 November
1448, to the said James, " the name and style of Lord Say, relinquishing all
interest therein for himself and his heirs." In 1459 he joined the Yorkist
party, and was attainted in the Parliament held at Coventry, but restored in
1461 by the new King, in whose reign he fought in France and Scotland. He
married 1stly, (-----). He married, 2ndly, Margaret, daughter of John ST.
LEGER, of Ulcombe, Kent, by Margaret, daughter and heir of James DONET, of
Sileham in Rainham, in that co. He died 24 September 1464. His widow
married 2ndly, Walter HUNGERFORD, and, 3rdly, Sir John HEVENINGHAM. She died
1 February 1495/6. [CP 3:315-16]
VI. 6. JOHN (CLINTON or possibly FIENNES), LORD CLINTON, son and heir,
aged 30 and more at his father's death, was never summoned to Parliament. In
spite of his father's renunciation of the title of Lord Say for himself and
his heirs, he appears to have been recognised as "Lord Clinton and Say." He
married, 1stly, Elizabeth, daughter of Richard FIENNES, LORD DACRE,by Joan,
suo jure BARONESS DACRE. He married, 2ndly, Anne, said to be daughter of Sir
Humphrey STAFFORD. He died 29 February 1487/8, and was buried at the Grey
Friars, London. His widow married, shortly after 4 August 1488 (date of
agreement), Richard WILLOUGHBY, of the Wollaton fam'ly. She was living
circar 1508, and then apparently the wife of Thomas WILLICOTE. [CP 3:316]
VII. 7. JOHN (CLINTON otherwise FIENNES), LORD CLINTON, son and heir, aged
17 at his father's death, was of Amington, co. Warwick. K.B. 14 November
1501. He was not summoned to Parliament until 23 November 1514, by writ
directed .... Clynton de Clynton ch'r. He is said to have married, 1stly,
Elizabeth, daughter of Sir John MORGAN, sometimes described as of Tredegar,
co. Monmouth. He married, 2ndly, before 1501, Anne. He died 4 June 1514.
His widow, who apparently was not the mother of his heir, was living 7
November 1535. [CP 3:316-17]
Always optimistic--Dave
Benjamin Hertzel
Dave,
>I. 1. JOHN DE CLINTON, of Amington and Maxstoke, co. Warwick, 2nd but 1st
>surviving son and heir of Thomas de CLINTON, of Amington (died v.p., before
>1264), by Maud, daughter of Sir Ralph BRACEBRIDGE, of Kinsbury, co. Warwick,
>was born probably in 1258.
Ever hear of an Eleanor Clinton, born ca. 1250? She married Nicholas
Stafford (1246 - 1293). They were the parents of Edmund Stafford (1273 -
1308) who married Margaret, the daughter of Ralph Basset and Joan Grey. I
have not been able to find out who Eleanor's parent's were.
Thank you.
Benjamin
The Thill Group, Inc.
really have an interest in.
I have not had the time to research these sources myself [but am in the
process], so they may be wrong, so I expose myself here for the want of
correction:
Benjamin, You say:
Ever hear of an Eleanor Clinton, born ca. 1250? She married Nicholas
Stafford (1246 - 1293). They were the parents of Edmund Stafford (1273 -
1308) who married Margaret, the daughter of Ralph Basset and Joan Grey. I
have not been able to find out who Eleanor's parent's were.
I thought: [scary}
(3Nicholas Stafford d. abt 8/1/1287 Deresloyn Castle, Wales child of
(1)Robert Stafford and (2)Alice Corbet
Reference:
*Banks , Charles Edward Banks, VI 115, 408-414; (or Sir Thomas
Christopher Banks, "Baronia Anglica Concentrata.).
*DNB:[DNB = Dictionary of National Biography [British] ]53:456
Married: (4)DeLangley dau of (5)Geoffrey DeLangley
Had child: (6)Edmund DeStafford b. 7/15/1273 Stafford, Eng. d. abt 8/12/1308
Reference:
*Banks , Charles Edward Banks, VI 115, 408-414; (or Sir Thomas
Christopher Banks, "Baronia Anglica Concentrata.).
*DNB:[DNB = Dictionary of National Biography [British] ]53:456
Married: (7)Margaret Basset b. 1275 d. 3/17/1336-7 dau. of (8)Ralph Basset
III, Lord Basset of Drayton MP b. 1265 d. 12/31/1299 whom Married (9)
Hawise.
Reference:
*Weis, F.L. "Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to
America before 1700" line 55.
*Weis, F.L. "The Magna Charta Sureties, 1215" line 28, line 28-6, 135-6
Had child: (10)Ralph DeStafford b. 9/24/1301
Reference:
*Weis, F. L. "Ancestral roots of certain American colonists who came to
America before 1700", Weis, 1992, seventh edition., The earlier editions
were called: "Ancestral roots of sixty colonists who came to New England
1623-1650". Weis, F. L. AR 55-32, 9-31
*1st Baron Stafford REF FarisPA. 2nd Lord Stafford, Baron Stafford. b.
24 Sep 1301 d. 31 Aug 1372 bur. Tonbridge, Kent, Eng..
*Dwnn (Historic Visitations of Wales) 2-336; History Fowys Fadog, Lloyd
4-306 (the 1st number has been used for Volumne).
*Complete Peerage vol 3 p 292 first Earl of Stafford created on Mar. 5,
1350/1.
WHICH IN ENGLISH "Texas" Style means;
Who is Eleanor Clinton, born ca. 1250? I have the wife of Nicholas as
Delangley dau of Goffrey DeLangley.
I would love to have this correct
Still trying to figure this out!!
BUT taking notes
Becky T.
ttg...@home.com
Richard Borthwick
>
>Dave,
>
>>I. 1. JOHN DE CLINTON, of Amington and Maxstoke, co. Warwick, 2nd but 1st
>>surviving son and heir of Thomas de CLINTON, of Amington (died v.p., before
>>1264), by Maud, daughter of Sir Ralph BRACEBRIDGE, of Kinsbury, co. Warwick,
>>was born probably in 1258.
>
>Ever hear of an Eleanor Clinton, born ca. 1250? She married Nicholas
>Stafford (1246 - 1293). They were the parents of Edmund Stafford (1273 -
>1308) who married Margaret, the daughter of Ralph Basset and Joan Grey. I
>have not been able to find out who Eleanor's parent's were.
>
>Thank you.
>
>Benjamin
>
>
Stafford/Clinton marriage. CP XII/1:172 does not give Nicholas a birth
date, gives his year of death as 1287 and does not know the name of his
wife though she was probably a daughter of Geoffrey de Langley (see note
(l) on p.172). C Rawcliffe *The Staffords, Earls of Stafford and Dukes of
Buckingham 1394 - 1521* (London, 1978) from what I recall does not offer
anything new on Nicholas.
Margaret Basset was the daughter of Ralph Basset (d.31 Dec 1299) first lord
Basset and his wife Hawise. This matter has been discussed here some time
ago and Ronny Bodine wrote a neat note to to this list setting out the
inconsistency in CP and its solution (22/04/97 subject:Re: Basset/Grey
connection (was more Bassets)). CP II:2, 3 note (f) [sub Basset] get it
right and CP XII/1:173 [sub Stafford] gets it wrong. The latter makes
Margaret the dau. of Ralph 2nd lord Basset and sister and in her issue
co-heir of Ralph 3rd lord Basset. She was indeed the great aunt of the 3rd
lord Basset. [CP II:2, 3 note (f), XII/1:173, corrected in XIV:589;
Sanders, I J *English Baronies: a study of their origin and descent
1086-1327* (Oxford, 1963 [1960]) 81 note 8]
Cristopher Nash
>Please excuse any scanning or data entry errors--corrections happily
>accepted. Unfortunately, I do not see a Gore, Cheney, or Lieberman Peerage.
>
>I. 1. JOHN DE CLINTON, of Amington and Maxstoke, co. Warwick, 2nd but 1st
>surviving son and heir of Thomas de CLINTON, of Amington (died v.p., before
>1264), by Maud, daughter of Sir Ralph BRACEBRIDGE, of Kinsbury, co. Warwick,
>was born probably in 1258. He served, or was called upon to serve, in the
>Scottish and French wars. He was summoned to Parliament 6 February 1298/9 by
>writ directed Johanni de Clinton, whereby he is held to have become LORD
>CLINTON. He was never again so summoned. He was 2 years later (12 March
>13OO/1), summoned with more than a thousand others cum equis et armis, being
>then denominated as of Maxstoke. He appears to have been Knight of the Shire
>for co. Warwick 1300-01. Constable of Wallingford Castle, 1308. He married,
>probably about 1290, Ida, sister and coheir of Edmund d'ODINGSELLS, 1st
>daughter of William d'ODINGSELLS, of Maxstoke, by Ela, daughter of Walter
>FITZ ROBERT, of Woodham Walter, with whom he acquired the Lordship and Castle
>of Maxstoke and other considerable possessions. He died late in 1310. His
>widow accompanied the Queen Consort to France in 1312-13. She, who was born
>about 1270, was living 1 March 1321/2. [CP 3:312-13]
[SNIP]
>II. 2. JOHN (DE CLINTON), LORD CLINTON, son and heir born probably in, or
>shortly before 1300. He fought, 16 March 1321/2, ex parte Regis, at
>Boroughbridge. Knighted before 1324. From 27 January I331/2 to 1 April
>1335, he was summoned to Parliament, the words " Mortuus est" being added to
>the last writ. He married, before 24 February 1328/9, Margery, daughter of
>Sir William CORBET, of Chaddesley Corbet, co. Worcester. He died about 1335.
> His widow was living May 1343. [CP 3:313]
>
>III. 3. JOHN (DE CLINTON), LORD CLINTON, son and heir. On the death, 25
>August 1354, of his paternal uncle, William (de Clinton], Earl of Huntingdon,
>he was found his heir and then aged 28, being born not later than March
>1325/6.
[SNIP]
>
>IV 4. WILLIAM (DE CLINTON), LORD CLINTON, grandson and heir, being son and
>heir of Sir William DE CLINTON (by, as is said, Elizabeth, daughter of
>William, LORD DEINCOURT),who was son and heir apparent of the last Lord by
>his 1st wife but died v,.p. leaving his said son and heir, then aged 5.
On the thread <Deincourt/Neville> this week there was reference to
Joan (--) who m. (1) John Deincourt and with him had William
Deincourt (d. 2 Jun 1364, m. Millicent la Zouche). This has piqued
an old curiosity of mine about the claim that this
"Joan is said to have been sister of the Earl of Huntingdon, and
therefore da. of Sir John de Clinton, of Maxstock, co. Warwick"
[CP IV (Deincourt), 119, note (f)]."
She is documented as having m. (2) Hamon de Mascy. (There is no
other E of Huntingdon between 1237 and 1377.)
This isn't to be confused with the marriage Dave scanned above --
>IV 4. WILLIAM (DE CLINTON) ... son and heir of Sir William DE
>CLINTON (by, as is said, Elizabeth, daughter of William, LORD
>DEINCOURT)
-- but the connection adds some geneal. intrigue.
The Sir John de Clinton that CP IV (119) suggests may be Joan's
father would presumably be "1. JOHN DE CLINTON" above.
(Thanks, Dave, for this; I was reading it in hard copy at Warwick - a
few minutes' drive from Maxstoke - and debating transcribing it in
full at about the time you were posting it.) (Glad I stopped ^;-o>
!)
I wonder if anyone here has seen more on this?
Cris
Patricia Junkin
Mortimer line of the La Zouche family?
Thank you, Pat
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>From: Cristopher Nash <c...@windsong.u-net.com>
>To: GEN-MED...@rootsweb.com
>Subject: Clinton/Deincourt/Zouche
>Date: Sat, Sep 16, 2000, 11:03 AM