Booth of Cheshire and Lancs., 1300 - 1400

[Dan W. Olds]

I am interested in the ancestry of Sir Robert del Bouthe, or Robert Booth,
Sheriff of Cheshire, who died in 1460. He may have been born ca. 1400 as
was his wife, "Douce" Venables.

Sir Robert was pretty clearly a son of a John del Booth as given by
Ormerod and thus brother and half brother of Archbishops of York. I can
show that the York Archbishops had brother Sir Robert with wife "Douce" and
that they were sons of John del Booth. This John del Booth died before 1450
and must have been adult or nearly so when given a gift of arms by Thomas de
Barton about 1403. This parentage for Sir Robert is, however, in contrast
with the 1580 Visitation of Cheshire which gives his parents as "Thomalin"
Booth of Barton in Lancastr. and Ellen Wrottley.

I am attempting to show this John del Booth as a son of Thomas del Booth
of Barton who made his will in 1368, named wife Ellin and son John, and died
about 5 years later. The mother of Thomas del Booth was still living when
he made his will so he may not have been a very old man. He could have had
a grandson born a few years after his death. Is this too much of a stretch?

The father of this Thomas del Booth would be John del Booth who married
the heiress Loretta de Notten? (by which he became Lord of Barton, Lancs.).
I have not yet pinned down their ages. One source seems to say they were m.
in 1291 which seems too early to fit the above.

I have Ormerod and some Cheshire materials but do not have histories or
records from Lancaster and York. The History of Gildersome and the Booth
Family by Philip Henry Booth is very helpful. Does anyone have other
references on this problem to quote or point me to?

[Sutliff]

The generations of this family should be:

Robert del Boothe d. bef. 1354 m. Agnes de Notton (daughter of Gilbert and
Cecily _____)
\
Thomas Booth d. abt 1368 m. Ellen de Worsley (daughter of Robert de Worsley
and Cecily (or Margaret) de Bromhall)
\
John Booth d. Mar 1422 m. Joanna de Trafford (daughter of Sir Henry de
Trafford and Margery Ince)
\
Robert Booth d. 16 Sep 1460 m. Douce Venables (daughter of Sir William
Venables and Joan Massey)

In addition to Ormerod, the following sources should be consulted for
documentation:

HOP [1368-1421] II:291
Payling's _Political Society in Lancastrian England: The Greater Gentry of
Nottinghamshire_, p. 233
Foster's _Pedigrees of the County Families of England_, unpaginated Venables
and Trafford pedigrees
Baines II:7 (Booth)
Wallop Family 112
Ayers' _The English Ancestry of Peter Bulkeley, Grace Chetwood and Sarah
Chauncy: A Compilation of Ancestral Tables_, p.
VCH Lancs. IV: 366
The Monumental Brasses of Lancashire and Cheshire, p. 32 and 36.

I have not checked my copy of Gregson's Portfolio of Fragments.

HS

"Dan W. Olds" <old...@charter.net> wrote in message
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[Kay Allen AG]

Just as a note, Ayers' work is a place to start. Commander Ayers was not
terminally thorough in searching out all available sources. He chose just one
or two, so he is not always on the right trail.

Kay Allen AG

[Peter Sutton]

Hap

According to Baines (History of the County Palatine and Duchy of Lancaster -
By the late Edward Baines, Esq.- A new, revised and enlarged edition. With
the family pedigrees (omitted in the second edition) corrected throughout.
Edited by James Croston. - 5 vol. John Heywood: Manchester, 1888 [1886]-93.)
the earlier generations of the Bothe family are as follows:

From Volume II p.45 and Volume III p. 241-247 & 249 -

Gilbert de Notton (married to Edith, Lady of Barton dau. of Albert Grelle,
Baron of Manchester), who assumed the name of Barton, had three sons, of
whom the eldest, William de Barton, succeeded, and was in turn succeeded by
his eldest son, Gilbert de Barton, who was seneschal to John de Lascy, 8th
Baron of Halton, who was living in 1250, and died in or before 1277.

He married twice (1) Margery, daughter of John de Elond, and (2) Cecilia,
living in 1277, the mother of John de Barton, his heir and of a daughter
Agnes. John de Barton who succeeded, was living in 1301, and then styled
"John, son and heir of the Lord Gilbert de Barton" but he appears to have
died without issue, when his sister Agnes succeeded to the family
possession.

It is not known who she married, (however VCH Lancashire Volume 4 p.365 says
that Agnes was married to John Grelley, for Loretta daughter of John Grelley
was in 1292 a plaintiff in a Barton case) but she had a daughter who in
1291-2 was of full age and unmarried, and then described as "Loretta,
daughter of Agnes the daughter of Lord Gilbert de Barton" who was sole
heiress of her mother.

She married c. 1292 John del Bothe, of the Bothes in Worsley. They were the
parents of Thomas del Bothe who died in 1373.

Regards

Peter Sutton

[Jeffery A. Duvall]

It's also worth looking at Ernest Axon's "The Family of Bothe (Booth) and
the Church in the 15th and 16th Centuries" published in *Transactions of
the Lancashire and Cheshire Antiquarian Society* vol. 53 (1938), pages
32-82. There are also good biographical entries on Sir Robert Booth's
father (John Booth) and uncle (Henry Booth) in the second vol. of J.S.
Roskell's *The History of Parliament: The House of Commons, 1386-1421*
(1992) on pages 288-293.

Jeff Duvall
Indy
Jef...@iquest.net
or
jdu...@iupui.edu

[Dan W. Olds]

I would like to thank each of you for the help you have been giving me on
this question. I am continuing to study what sources I have and have made
note of those suggested for use at a time when I visit a larger library or
perhaps I may be able to get a few photocopies by inter-library loan.

So, I have not studied the range of sources you have provided, but have
found "support" if not proof for listing the father of Thomas (d. ca. 1373,
m. Ellen Worsley) Booth as John del Booth rather than the alternative,
Robert del Booth. In fact, we may be talking about the same person whose
name has gotten wrongly recorded by some source at some point.