CP Correction: death of Isabel (de Vere) (de Courtenay) de Dinham
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Hello All,
The account given in CP for Hugh de Courtenay, Earl of Devon
(d. 23 Dec 1340) includes a brief reference to his father and his
parentage:
' ...which Sir Hugh de C. was s. and h. of Sir John
de C. (d. 3 May 1274), of Okehampton, by Isabel (living
Feb. 1298/9), da. of Hugh (de Vere), Earl of Oxford,..)[1]
The basis for this may be due to a widow of Sir Oliver de
Dinham (2nd husband of Isabel de Vere) being named Isabel;
however, Isabel de Vere in fact died before 7 Jan 1290/1. On that
date, an agreement was entered into between her son and heir Hugh
de Courtenay (d. bef 28 Feb 1291/2) and her second husband Oliver
de Dinham (d. 26 Feb 1298/9) concerning Hugh's inheritance and
Oliver's claim to Isabel's dower [2]. Oliver de Dinham acts
therein as 'executor of the testament of Lady Isabel de Cortenay
(deceased)', which would only have been Oliver's right after
Isabel's death. The reference to Hugh as Isabel's son makes it
clear that Isabel had predeceased her son (who again, d. before
28 Feb 1291/2).
Chris Phillips has advised that the Dinham account in CP
provides no firm evidence against this, but rather states re:
Sir Oliver de Dinham and his wife Isabel,
' He d. 26 Feb. 1298/9, and was bur. in the Church of
the Black Friars at Exeter. His widow, who survived him
for some years, d. 11 Aug. ..., and was bur. in that
church.'[2]
The statement that Isabel 'survived him for some years '
is based on the account in the Ford Chronicle, and may perhaps
have referred to Sir John de Courtenay[3]: if Sir Oliver de
Dinham was intended, this evidently was in error. The date
of death, as indicated in the Ford account, may actually have
been 11 August 1290, but that is a conjecture at this point.
The full text (as extracted on the PRO site) is given below.
Cheers,
John *
NOTES
[1] CP IV:323, sub _Devon_.
[2] CP IV:370-1, sub _Dinham_.
[3] The Ford Chronicle, cited in note (a) on p. 371, states,
"Relicta vero ejusdem [Johannis] domina Isabella de
Courtney domino Olivero de Dineham postea se maritaverat,
sed diu post ipsum tercio idus Augusti defuncta apud
Fratres Predicatores Exonie a parte australi presbiterii,
ex opposito ejusdem, humata erat."(Chron. of Ford p. 379)
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PRO
Cornwall Record Office: Arundell of Lanherne and Trerice
[AR/17 - AR/50]
Reference: AR/37/6
Creation dates: 1291, Sunday 7th Jan
Scope and Content
(Morrow of Epiphany, 19 Edw [I]); at Exeter
Resolution of dispute
Sir Hugh de Cortenay = (1)
Sir Oliver de Dynham = (2)
Resolution of disagreements between (1), heir and principal
executor of testament of Sir John de Cortenay (deceased),
plaintiff, and (2), executor of the testament of Lady Isabel
de Cortenay (deceased), concerning debts touching both testaments,
towards the lord king or anyone else, and concerning purchases of
clearance (excirpamenti) and waste, houses (domorum), parks,
woods, and all tenements or men which (2) and Lady Isabel,
(1)'s mother, held of (1)'s inheritance as dower in Lady Isabel's
name, thus. (2) is bound to (1) in £100, to be paid at dates to
be arranged, for all debts and purchases touching the testaments
or wastes;
Concerning the remainder of (1)'s petition, both (1) and (2) are
subject to the order of Peter [Quinel], Bishop of Exeter, and of
the dean of Exeter, thus. Whatever sum the bishop and dean shall
decide that (2) should pay to (1) in excess of the said £100, he
is bound to (1) in that exactly; and if they decide nothing, then
he is not bound in any further sum. With this reservation, that
(1) shall allow to (2) as part payment whatever he shall receive
from the goods of Lady Isabel through the hands of her executors,
and whatever else would rightly be assigned to (2).
(1) releases to (2) and his co-executors, on behalf of himself and
his co-executors of testament of Sir John de Cortenay, the said
actions and all others which might arise from that testament, and
are bound to indemnify (2) and his co-executors as regards it.
(2) binds himself and his heirs to make the payment and keep the
agreement. (2) is also bound to restore to (1) the value of all
autumn works which he had after the death of Lady Isabel in her
dower lands for collecting corn and helping.
Seal [broken]. [Contemporary?] "Scriptum allocat' solutori et
soluendo".
Repair needed to seal.
* John P. Ravilious
John Ravilious
Footnote order corrected as given below]
Monday, 19 April, 2004
Hello All,
church.'[3]
The statement that Isabel 'survived him for some years '
is based on the account in the Ford Chronicle, and may perhaps
have referred to Sir John de Courtenay[4]: if Sir Oliver de
Dinham was intended, this evidently was in error. The date
of death, as indicated in the Ford account, may actually have
been 11 August 1290, but that is a conjecture at this point.
The full text (as extracted on the PRO site) is given below.
Cheers,
John *
NOTES
[1] CP IV:323, sub _Devon_.
[2] PRO, Cornwall Record Office: Arundell of Lanherne and Trerice
[AR/17 - AR/50]
Resolution of dispute
Repair needed to seal.
[3] CP IV:370-1, sub _Dinham_.
[4] The Ford Chronicle, cited in note (a) on p. 371, states,
"Relicta vero ejusdem [Johannis] domina Isabella de
Courtney domino Olivero de Dineham postea se maritaverat,
sed diu post ipsum tercio idus Augusti defuncta apud
Fratres Predicatores Exonie a parte australi presbiterii,
ex opposito ejusdem, humata erat."(Chron. of Ford p. 379)
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* John P. Ravilious
Cristopher Nash
Isabel's reported daughter 'Egelina'/'Evelina' who m. Robert, Lord
Scales, I don't suppose you happen to have noticed mention in any of
these?
She's not to be confused with Aveline (who m. John Ld Giffard of
Brim(p)sfield), with Egeline (who m. Gilbert Basset), or with
Dropmealine Ifringsabel.
Cheers!
Cris
John Ravilious wrote on 19 April 2004 -
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