John, Michael and Richard de la POLE
THERON L. SMITH
Medieval Heritage: Ancestry of Charles II", has the following (v.5
#2), p. 234) ancestors in common of Charles and Diana:
506. John de la Pole (d. c1429)
507. NN, a Frenchwoman of unknown origin.
Then in v.11, #2 (Fall 1997) appeared:
1012. Sir Leonard de Kerdeston (liv. 1421)
1013. Margaret, whose parentage is unknown.
1014. Michael de la Pole, Earl of Suffolk (c1376-1415)
1015. Katherine de Stafford (-1419).
These 4 entries are obviously incompatible with 506 and 507, leading
me to believe that a correction was posted somewhere, but I have been
unable to locate a correction. (I have only been a subscriber since
Vol.10.) Interestingly, FWIW, Farris (p.233) does not show a John de
la Pole as son of Michael.
Does anyone have a corrected lineage in this area?
(Also, has a relation been established between Michael de la Pole and
Richard de la Pole, husband of Margaret, Countess of Salisbury?)
Best regards,
Theron Smith.
Henry Sutliff
"THERON L. SMITH" wrote:
There was an article published in one of the respected journals (The
Genealogist ?) called "Suffolk's Niece" or something like that. It
evaluated the link you are searching and perhaps someone who remembers
this article specifically will post its location and full title.
There is a pedigree chart which shows that Jean de Foix, Earl of Kendal,
Captal de Buch, K. G. (liv. 1485) married Margaret Kerdeston (circa 1447)
(liv. 1485). She was daughter of Sir Thomas Kerdeston (d. 1446) and his
wife Elizabeth de la Pole (d. 1440). Sir Thomas Kerdeston was son of Sir
Leonard de Kerdeston (liv. 1421) and his wife Margaret (liv. 1398).
Elizabeth de la Pole was first married briefly in 1415 to Sir Edward
Burnell (d.v.p. 1415). This is among the corrections found in CP
XIV[Burnell]. Elizabeth de la Pole was one of three daughters of Michael
de la Pole, 2nd Earl of Suffolk (d. 1415) and his wife Katherine de
Stafford.
Hope this helps.
Henry Sutliff
THERON L. SMITH
You have already broken the code on this. Three persons have obviously been
corrected in
the published GENEALOGIST series. I'll find out later where and when hey got
corrected, but I'm rather certain you have the answer. My first inclination
was to contact Dr. Thompson or Col. Hansen, but their Email addreses are not
available to me
We have to go back one generation later to start the correction. Thanks so
much.
Regards,
Theron Smith
I'm correcting my original posting based on your information.
> "THERON L. SMITH" wrote:
>
> > The excellent series in THE GENEALOGIST by Thompson and Hansen, "A
> > Medieval Heritage: Ancestry of Charles II", has the following (v.5
> > #2), p. 234) ancestors in common of Charles and Diana:
[THERON L. SMITH]
252. Jean de Foix
253. Margaret de la Pole [obviously corrected to
Margaret Kerdestan]
> > 506. John de la Pole (d. c1429) [THERON L. SMITH] [Obviously
> corrected
to Sir Thomas Kerdeston]
> > 507. NN, a Frenchwoman of unknown origin. [THERON L. SMITH]
[Obviously corrected to Elizabeth de la Pole]
[THE SUBSEQUENT ENTRIES ALL MAKE SENSE.NOW!]
John Yohalem
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John Yohalem
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THERON L. SMITH wrote in message
<810FE2967A01D211BD0500A024CC2E9222C7B9@NT3>...
>(Also, has a relation been established between Michael de la Pole and
>Richard de la Pole, husband of Margaret, Countess of Salisbury?)
The connection is purely homonymous. His name was not Richard de la Pole but
Richard Pole. He was not related to the de la Poles at all. Their sons were
named Pole, not de la Pole. The "de la" has been added by countless modern
careless readers and writers.
Jean Coeur de Lapin
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As ever, Doug Richardson