Llywelyn ap Iorwerth ancestor table, gen. 14-18

[Stewart Baldwin]

This posting continues my ancestor table for Llywelyn ap Iorwerth from
where the second part left off, and includes generations 14 through
18. For abbreviations which do not appear at the end of this part,
refer to the part having generations 1-8, which is available on
Dejanews. The second part, with generations 9 through 13, is being
posted at the same time that I am posting this part. Please keep in
mind that this is still a preliminary version, and that errors are
likely to occur. The next several generations tend to involve much
more difficult problems than the generations already posted, and it
will be at least a couple of months (perhaps longer) before I post the
earlier generations starting with Generation 19.

Stewart Baldwin

Generation 14:

8192. Unknown. (see note under #4096)

8193. Unknown.

8194. Cynan Dindaethwy ap Rhodri Molwynog, k. Gwynedd, d.
816 [AC] [HG.1: "Cinnan map Rotri"]

8195-8768. Unknown.

8768. Ruaidri mac Faelain, k. Laigin, d. 785 [AU]
[CGH.117d10,LL337f25]

8769-8831. Unknown.

8832. Mathgamain mac Tairdelbaig
[CGH.152b23,154a50,LL336d48]

8833-8863. Unknown.

8864. Fiangalach mac Flainn Rodba [see note under #1108]

8865-8959. Unknown.

8960. Muiredach mac Murchada, k. Laigin, d. 760 [AU]
[CGH.117c24,LL316a49, WUD]

8961-8963. Unknown.

8964. Mac-Orbba or Mac-Forba (of Ui Tellain Roirend?) [See
note at #4482]

8965-12579. Unknown or duplicated.

12580. Maredudd ap Tewdws, king of Dyfed, d. 796 [AC] [HG.2:
"Margetiut map Teudos"] [Note: His obituary is generally
regarded as the earliest contemporary entry in the Annales
Cambriae, the earlier entries having been inserted in the
annals at a later date.]

12581-16383. Unknown or duplicated.

Generation 15:

16384-16387. Unknown

16388. Rhodri Molwynog ab Idwal Iwrch, d. ca. 754 [AC]
[HG.1: "Rotri map Iutguaul"]

16389-17535. Unknown.

17536. Faelan mac Murchada, k. Laigin, d. 738 [AU]
[CGH.117c27,d11,LL337f26]

17537-17663. Unknown.

17664. Tairdelbach, ancestor of Ui Tardelbaig, a branch of
the sept of In Deis Tuaiscirt (known as Dal Cais from the
tenth century on) [CGH.152b9,23,154a51,LL336d49] [Note: The
ancestry of the main branch of the Dal Cais can be accepted
without much hesitation back to this individual, after whom
the branch was named. Prior to that, the primary sources
given in CGH disagree about the name of Tairdelbach's father
(Aithirne in 152b9, Caidlene in 154a40 and LL336d34, Cathal
in the Book of Lecan), and the problems have apparently not
been adequately studied. O'Corrain (in DCCD) and Kelley (in
EL) give different pedigrees for Tairdelbach, and neither
supplies a reason for choosing the version that they give.
The issue is further complicated by the fact that the early
part of the Dal Cais pedigree is known to have been
falsified after the previously insiginificant Dal Cais
(formerly In Deis Tuaiscirt) attined importance in the tenth
century, and they were falsely made into relatives of the
Eoganachta. It may well be that reasonable proof could be
obtained for a handful of earlier generations, but that
would require studies which I have neither seen nor done.]

17665-17737. Unknown.

17738. Flann Rodba mac Amalgaid [see note under #1108]

17739-17919. Unknown.

17920. Murchad mac Brain Muit, k. Laigin, d. 727 [AU]
[CGH.117d12,39,140b14,LL316a63,337f27, WUD] (also #35072)

17921. Conchenn ingen Cellaig Cualain, d. 943 [AU]
[CGH.LL316a47, WUD]

17922-25159. Unknown or duplicated.

25160. Tewdos ap Rhain [HG.2: "Teudos map Regin"]

25161-32767. Unknown or duplicated.

Generation 16:

32768-32776.Unknown.

32776. Idwal Iwrch ap Cadwaladr Fendigaid [HG.1: "Iutguaul
map Catgualart"]

32777-35071. Unknown.

35072. Murchad mac Brain Muit, k. Laigin (same as #17920)

35073. Unknown [It is unknown whether or not she was the
same person as #17921.]

35074-35475. Unknown.

35476. Amalgaid mac Cenn Faelad [see note under #1108]

35477-35839. Unknown.

35840. Bran Mut mac Conaill, k. Laigin, d. 693 [AU]
[CGH.117c25,LL337f28, WUD]

35841. Almaith ingen Blathmaic [CGH.LL316a60, WUD]

35842. Cellach Cualann mac Gerthide, king of Laigin, d. 715
[AU] [CGH.125a12,19,20,LL316a48, WUD]

35843. Mugain ingen Failbi [CGH.LL316a52, WUD]

35844-50319. Unknown or duplicated.

50320. Rhain ap Cadwgon Trydelig [HG.2: "Regin map
Catgocaun"]

50321-65535. Unknown or duplicated.

Generation 17:

65536-65551. Unknown.

65552. Cadwaladr Fendigaid ap Cadwallon, king of Gwynedd, d.
664 or 682? (sources differ) [HG.1: "Catgualart map
Cargollaun"]

65553-70951. Unknown or duplicated.

70952. Cenn Faelad mac Colcu, k. Connacht, d. 682 [AU] [see
note under #1108]

70953-71679. Unknown.

71680. Conall mac Faelain [CGH.117d14,LL337f29, WUD]

71681. Condadil ingen Crundmael [CGH.LL316a65, WUD]

71682. Blathmac mac Eogain (of Dal Riata) [CGH.LL316a61,
WUD]

71683. Etain ingen Mongain [CGH.LL316a61, WUD]

71684. Gerthide mac Dicolla Danae [CGH.125a13]

71685. Unknown.

71686. Failbe mac Domnaill (of Ui Bairrche)
[CGH.121a50,122b17,LL316a51, WUD]

71687. Ethne ingen Crundmael [CGH.LL316a53, WUD]

71688-100639. Unknown or duplicated.

100640. Cadwgon Trydelig ap Cathen [HG.2: "Catgocaun map
Cathen"]

100641-131071. Unknown or duplicated.

Generation 18

131072-131103. Unknown.

131104. Cadwallon ap Cadfan, king of Gwynedd, d. 634 [AC]
[HG.1: "Catgollaun ap Catman"]

131105. Unknown. [Note: Geoffrey of Monmouth, in his
HRB.XII.14, states that Cadwallon married a sister of Penda,
king of Mercia. However, Geoffrey is far too unreliable to
be accepted as an authority on this matter.]

131106-141903. Unknown or duplicated.

141904. Colcu m. Aeda [see note under #1108]

141905-143359. Unknown.

143360. Faelan mac Colmain, king of Laigin, d. 666 [CS]
[CGH.117c25]

143361. Sarnat ingen Eochada [CGH.LL316b4, WUD]

143362. Crundmael mac Finain [CGH.LL316a65]

143363. Unknown.

143364. Eogan mac Colmain (of Dal Riata) [CGH.LL316a60]

143365. Unknown.

143366. Mongan (of Dal Riata) [Note: His ancestry is
unknown. Different manuscripts give his father's name as
either Murchon or Bran. See CGH.LL316a61.]

143367. Unknown.

143368. Dicuill Danae mac Ronain Craich [CGH.125a14]

143369-143371. Unknown.

143372. Domnall mac Cormaic (of Ui Bairrche)
[CGH.117a48,121ab48,122b7,18,LL316a51]

143373. Unknown.

143374. Crundmael mac Ronain, king of Laigin, d. 656 [AU]
[CGH.117e7,LL316a53,c64,LL317a11,13,LL337b33, WUD]

143375. Failend ingen Suibne [CGH.LL316a55]

143376-201279. Unknown or duplicated.

201280. Cathen ap Gwlyddien [HG.2: "Cathen map Cloten"]

201279-262143. Unknown or duplicated.

End of Generation 18

Abbreviations:

[See the first part for abbreviations not given here.]

CS = Chronicon Scotorum, edited by W. Hennessy (London,
Rolls Series 46, 1866)

DCCD = D. O'Corrain, "Dal Cais - Church and Dynasty", Eriu
24 (1973), 52-63.

EL = David H. Kelley, "The Ancestry of Eve of Leinster", The
Genealogist 1 (1980), 4-27.

EWGT = Early Welsh Genealogical Tracts, edited by P. C.
Bartrum (University of Wales Press, Cardiff, 1966).

HG = Genealogies from Harleian MS. 3859, fo. 193r-195r (a
copy made ca. 1100 of genealogies compiled probably between
954 and 988) [Note: I neglected to mention in the first
part that these genealogies can be found in EWGT, pp. 9-13.]

HRB = Geoffrey of Monmounth's "Historia Regum Britanniae"

SW = Patrick Sims-Williams, "Historical Need and Literary
Narrative: a Caveat from Ninth Century Wales", The Welsh
History Review, 17 (1994), 1-40.

TYP = Trioedd Ynys Prydein (The Welsh Triads), edited by
Rachel Bromwich (University of Wales Press, Cardiff, 1978).

WUD = Margaret E. Dobbs, "Women of the Ui Dunlainge of
Leinster", The Irish Genealogist 1 (1940), 196-206. [Gives
the text and translation of an Irish genealogical tract
which was probably originally written in the eighth century
(with later additions), giving the ancestry of the wives of
several kings of Leinster (Laigin).]