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May 20, 2012, 3:09:31 AM5/20/12
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Greetings,

I trust the followers of this website are having an enjoyable
weekend. This is Victoria Day weekend in Canada and the weather has
been glorious!

I have an inquiry which I would be most grateful if someone could shed
light on. My name is Pete Dale and I am a corporate/commercial and
business lawyer in Toronto, Canada. I’m also an avid amateur
genealogist. I am a descendent of Margaret Mounteney. I set forth
below the information that I have gathered to date regarding my
Mounteney ancestry. Margaret was the daughter of Arnold de Mounteney/
Multney of Mountnessing, Essex. I would be most grateful for any
information or insights, research suggestions, corrections or
enlightenment as to how I may better establish and further explore
Margaret and Arnold’s ancestry. Many thanks!

Cheers,

Pete

********

15th G-Grandmother - Margery/Margaret Mounteney – Margaret was the
daughter of Arnold de Mounteney/Multney of Mountnessing, Essex.

The website ‘The Genealogy of the Jermy Family’, by John Millman,
states the following with respect to Mounteney family:

“Margaret seems to have brought with her certain properties (2 full
knight’s fees) in Norfolk (between the rivers Yare and Bure) but they
probably resided mainly at Metfield and/or Withersdale Manors. ...

In 1428, an Inquisition P M at Acle (either for Sir John himself or
for his Mountenay in-law; this to be clarified) showed that he held,
besides Kessingland, lands (3/4 knight’s fee) in Sprowston, Catton,
Beeston, Wroxham, Little Plumstead, Blofield, Freethorpe and
Hassingham, all in Norfolk, through his wife (who seems to have
inherited same from her brother Sir William Mountenay, who also fought
at Agincourt and died without issue), as well as his own property in
Suffolk. However, he and his wife had either sold or borrowed against
some of their property at ‘Germeyne’s Manor’ at Easton Gosbeck in
1413.” (source: http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/tripartite/jparttwo.htm)

b. approx. 1390 - Essex (?), England. Margery has at least 2
siblings: (i) Sir William Mounteney, who likewise fought at Agincourt
and died without issue, and (ii) Elizabeth (m. to John Chamberlain).
Margaret also has a cousin/nephew Robert Mounteney (m. to Margaret
Tyrrell) who was under the age of 21 on December 9, 1442 and who was
the heir of her brother Sir William. There is also to be noted, in
the will of Edward Tyrrell of Downham, Essex (see below), reference to
a John Mounteney of Yorkshire referenced in succession following the
references to cousin Robert, sister Elizabeth and Margaret herself.

d. after December 9, 1442 (source:
http://www.oxford-shakespeare.com/DocumentsOther/Reg_Chichele_Tyrrell.pdf)

The book, ‘The Register of Henry Chichele, Archbishop of Canterbury
1414-1443’, vol. II, (1938), edited by E. F. Jacob, published by
Clarendon Press, Oxford, pp. 628-636, provides a copy of the will of
Edward Tyrrell of Downham, Essex. It states, with respect to the
Mounteney family, the following:

“SUMMARY: The document below is the will, dated 1 October 1442, 9
December 1442 and 14 December 1442, of Edward Tyrrell of Downham in
Essex. The testator states in the will that his parents were Walter
and Eleanor, and G. Andrews Moriarty, in “The Early Tyrrels of Heron
in East Herndon” (New England Historical and Genealogical Register,
vol. CIX, 1955, pp. 17-31), has made use of this will to correct an
error in the Tyrrell pedigrees and to demonstrate that both the
testator and his elder brother, Sir John Tyrrell (d.1437), Speaker of
the House of Commons, were the sons of Walter Tyrrell and his wife
Eleanor, the daughter and heir of Edmund Flambard. ...

The testator’s daughter, Margaret, married Robert Mounteney, nephew
and heir of Sir William Mounteney. ...

(fo. 489) Testamentum Edwardi Tyrrell. This is the last will of me,
Edward Tyrrell, squire, the elder, indented and made at Downham in the
shire of Essex the 9th day of December the year of Our Lord a thousand
four hundred forty-two, and the year of the reign of King Henry the
Sixth after the Conquest 21; ...

Also my will is that all tho[se] feoffees that stonden enfeoffed by me
at my denomination by the commandment of Sir John Tyrrell, my brother,
of whose soul God have mercy, in the manor of Mountnessing with th’
appurtenances to perform my said brother’s will and also the will of
Sir William Mounteney, knight, that dead is, make estate to Robert
Mounteney, cousin and heir of the said Sir William Mounteney, and to
Margaret, my daughter, his wife, of the said manor with the
appurtenance, to have and to hold the said manor with th’ appurtenance
to the said Robert and Margaret and to the heirs male that the said
Robert shall lawfully beget of the body of the said Margaret, and for
default of issue male by the said Robert of the body of the said
Margaret lawfully begotten, I will that the said manor with all th’
appurtenance remain to the heirs male of the body of the said Robert
lawfully begotten, and if the said Robert die without issue male of
his body lawful begotten, then I will the said (fo. 489b) manor with
th’ appurtenance remain to Elizabeth that was wife of John
Chamberlain, sister to the said Sir William Mounteney, and to her
heirs male of her body lawfully begotten bearing the name and the arms
of the said Sir William Mounteney after the form and the effect of his
last will, and if the said Elizabeth die without issue male of her
body lawfully begotten, then I will the said manor with th’
appurtenance remain to Margaret, the wife of Sir John German, knight,
sister to the said Elizabeth, and to the heirs male of her body
lawfully begotten bearing the name and the arms of Mounteney as it is
abovesaid, and if the said Margaret die without issue male of her body
lawfully begotten, then I will the said manor with th’ appurtenance
remain to John Mounteney of Yorkshire and to the heirs male of his
body lawfully begotten bearing the name and the arms of Mounteney as
it is above-written, and if the said John Mounteney die without issue
male of his body lawfully begotten, then I will the said manor with
th’ appurtenance turn to me and to them that stonden enfeoffed by my
said brother Sir John Tyrrell and to our heirs, the said manor by us
or by our heirs for to be sold and the money that shall come thereof
for to be disposed for the souls of the said William Mounteney and for
his father’s soul and his mother’s soul and for the souls of all his
good-doers and all Christian souls after the form of the last will of
the said Sir William Mounteney etc.; Also my will is that my feoffees
that stonden enfeoffed in certain lands, rents and tenements with th’
appurtenance called Porters lying in Rochford hundred within the shire
of Essex make estate of them to the said Robert Mounteney and to
Margaret, my daughter, his wife, when the said Robert cometh to the
age of 21 winter, to have and to hold the said lands, rents and
tenements with their appurtenance called Porters to the sai[d] Robert
and Margaret and to their assigns forever in satisfaction of the
r[ev]enues and profits that I have taken of the said manor of
Mountnessing and that shall be taken hereafter by mine executors of
the same manor, for my will is that mine executors have the governance
of the said manor hereafter, and not the feoffees, deduct of the said
profits and revenues the finding of the said Robert in time past and
the finding of him and the said Margaret, my daughter, hereafter till
the said Robert come to plain age, reparations and costs done or to be
done in the said manor, the expenses done and employed by me in suit
against my Lord the Duke of York for the ward and marriage of the same
Robert, and also expenses that hath be done against Sir Lewis John
while he lived, and against my lady, [h]is wife, after his death, or
that shall be done by me or mine executors against any other for the
said ward and marriage hereafter, and I will that all the revenues and
profits that shall come of the said lands called Porters till the said
Robert come till his age be done for my soul, etc.” (source:
http://www.oxford-shakespeare.com/DocumentsOther/Reg_Chichele_Tyrrell.pdf)

16th G-Grandfather - (Sir) Arnold de Mounteney/Multney – Arnold was
from Mountnessing, Essex. Arnold also held land in Beeston,
Sprouston, Wroxham, Plumstede Parva and, most likely, Catton,
Freethorpe and Hassingham, among others, in Norfolk.

b.
m.
d. approx. 1401-02 (source: http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=78702;
http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=78720;
http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=78346)

The book, 'Taverham Hundred: Beeston', An Essay towards a
Topographical History of the County of Norfolk: volume 10 (1809), pp.
403-405, states the following with respect to the Mounteney family and
Beeston, Norfolk:

“BEESTON.

The Conqueror was possessed of a lordship here, of which 6 freemen
were deprived, who had it in King Edward's reign, containing 30 acres
of land, and 2 carucates, with 2 acres of meadow, also 9 freemen with
40 acres and a carucate, valued in Rachey; Godric took care of this
for the King, as his steward; the King and the Earl of Norfolk had the
soc, the township was half a leuca long, and 5 furlongs broad, and
paid 10d. gelt. (fn. 1)

Godric, the King's steward, had also 30 acres, and half a carucate,
with 2 acres of meadow, of which a freeman was deprived, valued at 2s.
per. ann. and the King and the Earl had the soc, and this Godric held
in his own right. (fn. 2)

The ancient family of De Mounteney were lords of this manor in the
reign of Henry II. [1154-89] when Robert de Mounteney was found to
hold one fee here, &c. of the old feoffment, and Sir Arnold de
Mounteney held here in Catton, &c. the same in King Henry the Third's
time [1216-72], of Robert Lord Fitz Walter. (fn. 3)

It is probable that it remained in the Crown some time, and was
granted by King Henry I. to Sir Richard de Lucy, lord chief justice of
England.

Maud, the eldest daughter and coheir of Sir Richard, married to Walter
Fitz Robert, the progenitor of the Lords Fitz Walter, and Sir Arnold
de Mounteney, married Dionysia, the fourth daughter and coheir.

One of the same name was lord in the 20th of Edward III. [1346-47] of
Wroxham, Catton, &c.

In the 3d of Henry IV. [1401-02] John Lancaster was found to hold the
manor, late Arnold de Mounteney's in this town, Sprouston, Wrexham,
&c.

John Jermy, Esq. was lord in the first of Edward V. [1483] and in the
17th of Henry VII. [1501-02] it was conveyed to John Corbet, Esq. and
Sir Thomas Corbet, Bart. was lord in 1639. ...
The Church was dedicated to St. Andrew, and had two medieties, in
the patronage of the Mounteneys, and both granted by Robert de
Mounteney, son of Arnold de Monteney, by fine in the 54th of Henry
III. [1269-70] to Geffrey, prior, and the convent of Peterston; this
was valued at 5 marks per ann. as the other moiety was, but one of
them was appropriated, soon after the grant.—Peter-pence 10d. ob. q.—
Carvage 4d.” (source: http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=78702)

The book, 'Taverham Hundred: Sprouston', An Essay towards a
Topographical History of the County of Norfolk: volume 10 (1809), pp.
458-464, states the following with respect to the Mounteney family and
Sprouston, Norfolk:

“SPROUSTON.

The Conqueror had a lordship in this town, which Godric (as his
steward) took care of; Edric had been ejected, who was lord in the
time of the Confessor, when there were 3 carucates of land, one
villain, and 6 borderers, a carucate in demean, and 2 among the
tenants, &c. paunage for 6 swine, several freemen in Catton, Beeston,
Wroxham, and Rackheath belonged to it, and it was valued with them at
the survey at 60s. but in the Confessor's time at 20s. was one leuca
long and 8 furlongs broad, and paid 15d. gelt. (fn. 1)

Robert de Mounteney held, in the reign of Henry II [1154-89]. this
lordship of Sir Richard de Lucy, lord chief justice of England [b.
1089- d. 1179; see - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_de_Luci]: it
came to that family by the grant of King Henry I. to Sir Richard, and
to Sir Arnold de Mounteney, on the marriage of Dionysia, 4th daughter
and coheir of that knight; this Robert was probably son of Sir William
de Mounteney, who married Lecia, eldest daughter and coheir of Jordan
Briset, a baron, and Muriel his wife, founders of the priory of St.
John of Jerusalem, near Smithfield, London, in 1100.

In 1306, Sir Arnold de Mounteney was lord, and patron of the priory of
Ging Mounteney in Essex.

In the 3d of Henry IV [1401-02]. John Lancaster held here, in Catton,
Beeston, &c. 3 quarters of a fee, late Mounteneys, of the Earl of
Rutland; after this it was in the Jermys in the reign of Edward IV
[1442-83].

Sir John Jermy and Margaret his wife, grant the site of Mounteney
manor in this town, with 4 messuages, 200 acres of pasture, 2 of land,
6 of wood, 500 of furze, with a free-fold, and 30s. rent per ann. to
John Corbet, Esq. in 1545, and his posterity enjoyed it till it was
sold by Sir Thomas Corbet, Bart. to Sir Thomas Adams, Bart. ...

In the 16th of Edward I [1287-88]. Adam de Creting was impleaded by
Isolda de Mounteney, on account of the presentation to the church of
Plumsted Parva; her plea was,

"Ernald de Mounteney, lord of Sprouston (to which lordship the
"patronage of the said church belonged) had enfeoffed her in the
same. ...

Thomas de Blumvyle Bishop of Norwich confirmed to the monks of
Norwich, the grant of John de Grey Bishop, of 2 parts of the tithe of
Sprouston and Catton, of 2 garbs of the demean lands of Arnold de
Mounteney, for the use of the almoner; and the rectors of those
churches had the 3d garb, also of 3 acres of land of Hugh de
Sprouston. (fn. 6). ...

Arms in the church windows were,

Corbet impaling Berney, Berney impaling Southwell. Heydon. Woodhouse
of Kimberley; or, a chevron between three torteaux. Glemham, Earl
Warren. Mounteney, Argentine. Calthorp impaling Aslake, sable, a
chevron, ermin, between three Catherine wheels, argent. Calthorp and
Argentine. Barry, and Aslake. Argent, a cross sable, the arms of
Norwich priory.” (source: http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=78720)

The book, 'Blofield Hundred: Plumstede Parva', An Essay towards a
Topographical History of the County of Norfolk: volume 7, pp. 240-248,
states the following with respect to the Mounteney family and
Plumstede Parva, Norfolk:

“PLUMSTEDE PARVA. ...

Richard de Dunham gave an account of 5 marks paid, to have right done
him (in his lands held of Mileham manor, by the King's writ) in the
first year of Richard I. [1189-90] (fn. 2) About this time, William
de Mounteney confirmed to Will. de Plumstede, lands; witnesses, Peter
le Constable, Robert Elias and Hugh de Monteny, sans date. Adam de
Plumstede, and John his son, held the fourth part of a fee, and
exchanged lands with Will. prior of Norwich, in the 5th of King John:
this family held the principal part of Tovi's lordship, of the lord of
Mileham, and took their name from this town. Everard de Plumstede was
living in the 10th of Richard I. it was held by grand serjeanty to
find a cross-bow, or balista. William de Plumstede, son of Adam, had
an interest here, as by deed sans date. ...

Robert de Mounteney gives to the priory of Norwich, by deed, sans
date, his mill belonging to his fee, or lordship, in Plumstede
standing on the river Ger, for the health of his own, and his wife's
soul, and of all his parents, friends, &c. and in particular for the
soul of his father, William de Mounteney, and Roesia his mother, and
Siwat, the priest of Plumstede:—witnesses, William Bishop of Norwich,
Geff. the Bishop's sewer, Roger de Mounteny, Barth. de Martham, Hump.
and Jordan de Plumstede. William, the heir of Siwat the priest,
confirmed this grant, and lands to the priory, and William Bishop of
Norwich gave Robert for this 100s. (fn. 3) This was in Bishop William
Turbe's time. ...

In the 16th of Edward I. [1287-88] Isolda de Mounteny impleaded Adam
de Creting for the patronage of this church; her plea was, that Ernold
de Mounteney, as lord of Sprouston, was patron of this church, and had
enfeoffed her; but Adam proving himself to be lord of Sprouston, he
recovered it. The Mounteneys held that part of this town which
belonged to Edric de Laxfield, and was (as I have observed before) a
beruite to Eton. Alice, widow of William de Plumstede, and John their
son, was living in the 31st of the said reign. John was lord in the
8th of Edward II. and held a court, then, on the feast of
Pentecost. ...

Sir Arnulf de Monteney, and John de Plumsted, returned to be lords in
the 9th of Edward II. [1315-16] and Sir John de Plumstede, living also
in the 3d and 6th of Edward III. on whose death it came to Sir Edmund
de Illey, by the marriage of Alice his daughter and heir, Sir Edmund
de Illey, and Ernulf de Monteney, lords in the 14th of that King.
[1340-41] ...

In the 3d of Henry IV. [1401-02] the heirs of Arnold de Monteney were
lords of a manor, held (as was found) of the Earl of Rutland. ...

Rectors.

In 1303, William de Hoveden instituted rector, presented by Sir
Ernulph de Mounteney, as lord of Sprouston.

1304, William de Wallop, by Sir Anold de Mounteney.” (source:
http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=78346)

The book, 'Taverham Hundred: Catton', An Essay towards a Topographical
History of the County of Norfolk: volume 10 (1809), pp. 406-409,
states the following with respect to the Mounteney family and Catton,
Norfolk:

“CATTON. ...

This was held by the family of De Mounteney, of whom see in Beeston.

The Church is dedicated to St. Margaret, and was early appropriated to
the priory of Norwich, and had a vicarage endowed, valued with the
rectory at 16 marks. Peter-pence 9d. carvage 4d. and being a manor
belonging to the priory, was not visited by the archdeacon, but he had
the correction of all in the fee or manor of Mounteney.” (source:
http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=78703)

The book, 'Taverham Hundred: Wroxham', An Essay towards a
Topographical History of the County of Norfolk: volume 10 (1809), pp.
473-478, states the following with respect to the Mounteney family and
Wroxham, Norfolk:

“WROXHAM. ...

The manor of Mounteneys in Sprouston extended into this town, and in
the 33d of Edward I. Nich. Rydel settled by fine on William his son 24
messuages, 2 mills, 200 acres of land, 12 of meadow, and 48s. rent
here, and in Racheath, Bastwick, &c. and William Rydel was returned to
have a lordship in the 9th of Edward II.” (source:
http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=78723)

The book, ‘The history and topography of the County of Essex’, (1836),
vol. I, by Thomas Wright, Esq., printed by R. Clay, London, states the
following with respect to the Mounteney family and Mountnessing,
Essex:

“MOUNTNEY’S-ING.

This parish, commonly called Munnassing, or Mountnessing, extends
northward to those of Ingatestone and Frierning, to that of Hutton on
the south, Buttsbury on the east, and to Shenfield on the west; its
distance from London is twenty-one miles, and from Chelmsford
eighteen.

The population consists of three hundred and eighty-five males and
three hundred and forty-three females; total, seven hundred and twenty-
eight.

The name of this parish is formed of that of the ancient family of the
Mountneys, (formerly lords of the capital manor here), with the
addition of the Saxon word ing, meaning meadow. It bore the name of
Ginge Mounteney in the time of Edward the Third. In the time of the
Saxons this district was in possession of Ingwar, Alfega and Algar,
two young women that were free, and Alwin. At the survey it belonged
to Ralph, brother of Ilger.

The capital manor-house is a good brick building, near the church, on
a small eminence, and there are apparent indications of its having
been surrounded by a park. At present, this manor consists of meadows,
rich pastures, and fruitful corn-fields. The Mounteney family is very
ancient. Robert de Mountenni was one of the witnesses to the
foundation charter of Thobie Priory, in this parish, about the reign
of King Stephen [1135-54], and is supposed to have been the son and
heir of Laecia, eldest daughter of Jordan de Briesete, founder of the
hospital of St. John of Jerusalem, near West Smithfield, London, in
1254. This Robert, in 1254 or 1255, was presented at Chelmsford for
possessing a knight's fee without taking the order of knighthood. He
had a son named Eustace; and the family continued here during a
succession of ages. Sir John de Mounteney and Sir Robert are mentioned
in 1375, and William de Mounteney, in 1417, in the time of Henry the
Fifth. In the reign of Henry the Eighth John Mounteney possessed this
and other estates in this county.* A person of the name of Hamon was
in possession of this manor about the beginning of Queen Elizabeth's
reign; and it afterwards came, by marriage, to William Wilford, Esq.,
of whom it was purchased by Sir William Petre. ...

Arnolds is supposed to have derived its name from Sir Arnulph de
Mounteney, whose seat it is said to have been. The mansion-house is a
venerable pile of building, half a mile from the left-hand side of the
road from Chelmsford to London. No record is found relating to this
estate until the ninth year of King Henry the Seventh, in the year
1403, when it was in the possession of Henry Elvedon, Esq. It came
afterwards to John Brock, Esq., and next to the family of the Perts.
John Pert, of Arnold's Hall, died in 1583; and Elizabeth, the last of
the family, died here in 1734.

* Arms of Mounteney. Azure, a bend between six martlets,
gules.” (source:
http://books.google.ca/books?id=SgQVAAAAQAAJ&pg=PA144&lpg=PA144&dq=%22mountnessing%22+%22mounteney%22&source=bl&ots=pMSHc0cxfL&sig=GDc4_ZgN0SWrbS-1cXWWPQgWR0Q&hl=en&sa=X&ei=UdyIT7i8BqfJ0QGMwMnUCQ&ved=0CFgQ6AEwCTgK#v=onepage&q=%22mountnessing%22%20%22mounteney%22&f=false)

The book, ‘The Battle Abbey roll: with some account of the Norman
lineages, Volume 2’, (1889), edited by Catherine Lucy Wilhelmina
Powlett Cleveland (Duchess of), published by J. Murray, pp. 264-266,
states the following with respect to the Mounteney family:

“Mounteney, or Montigny, from a place of that name near Falaise, in
Normandy. "Roger de Montigny gave lands to St. Vigor's, Cerisy, temp.
William I. (Mon. i. 961): and in Henry I.'s reign William de Montigny
married a daughter and co-heir of Jordan Briset, a great baron of
Essex (Mon. ii. 505)." —The Norman People. Sir Arnold Mounteney
witnesses John Fitz Matthew Brito's grant to Worksop Abbey. We find
the family from an early date in Yorkshire. "Bartholomew de Sancta
Maria, grandson of Pagan': (a contemporary of the Conqueror's) "left
three sisters as his coheirs. Sibil, the second, married Jordan de
Renevile, one of the subinfeudatories of the Baron of Hallamshire, and
holding under him Cowley, and the part of the parish of Ecclesfield
abutting upon Kimberworth. She had two daughters and coheirs,
Margaret, who married Thomas Mounteney, by which marriage the
Mounteneys acquired Cowley; and Alice who married Thomas de Bella
Acqua."—Hunter's South Yorkshire. Alice (sometimes called Aliena) de
Bellew, was childless, and Margaret became sole heir. The name of her
husband is wrongly given. He was Sir Robert, the son of Arnold de
Monteney, who had married a daughter of Gerard de Furnival and the
Louvetot heiress, and held the estate of Shiercliffe of the castle and
manor of Sheffield. The Monteneys obtained the King's license to make
a park round their house at Shiercliffe, and enjoyed certain manorial
privileges. At their other manor of Cowley they had "great woods and
abundance of redd deare, and a stately castle-like house moated about,
pulled down not long since by the Earl of Salop after he had purchased
the land."—Dodsworth.

Sir Robert and Margaret de Renevile had two sons, Robert, and Thomas;
but in neither case did their line continue for more than another
generation. Robert's son left a daughter called Constance, the wife of
John de Bosvile; and Thomas's son, another daughter, Joan—apparently
the heiress of the family—, married to Thomas, Lord Furnival, surnamed
the Hasty.* "In her widowhood she resumed her maiden name. It is
presumed that she entered into second nuptials. This is certain, that
Thomas Lord Furnival, her husband, died without issue; yet in a deed
preserved by Dugdale and dated 15 Ric. II. she acknowledges a son John
de Mounteney, afterwards a knight, and her successor at Cowley and
Shiercliffe."—Hunter's Hallamshire. The posterity of this John
remained in Yorkshire till late in the seventeenth century. The elder
line expired in the time of Henry VIII., when Barbara Mounteney, at
lengh sole heiress, brought Cowley and Shiercliffe to Thomas Thwaites,
who sold them to George, Earl of Shrewsbury. But some descendants of
one of her great uncles were to be found at Wheatley and Rotherham for
more than one hundred years after this.

The family were of higher antiquity and no less importance, in the
Eastern Counties, where they had originally settled. Robert de
Mounteney, of Norfolk, held three fees in 1161 from Richard de Lucy,
whose daughter Dionysia he had married; and one fee of old feoffment
as Lord of Beeston. His son Sir Arnold sealed with a bend between six
martlets.—Blomefield. This was the coat of the knight who settled in
Hallamshire, who I have no doubt must have been the same Sir Arnold;
all the more as he is followed by his son Robert. But in the
succeeding descents the Christian names do not tally; and I conclude
that it was a younger brother of Robert that inherited the Norfolk
property. His line ended in 1313: and the heiress—another Dionysia—
married Hugh de Vere.

In Essex they were seated at Ging-Mounteney, or Mountney's-ing (from
Ing, a Saxon word signifying meadow or pasture, vulgarly Munnassing)
from about the time of Stephen, when Robert de Mounteney witnessed the
foundation charter of Thobie Priory. "He is supposed to have been the
son of Laecia, eldest daughter of Jordan de Briesete, founder of the
Hospital of St. John of Jerusalem near West Smithfield, London. His
son was Eustace."—Morant’s Essex. Dugdale thus recounts the death of
one of his descendants.

"In 1252, there was a notable Tournament at Walden, wherein Roger de
Leiburne encountered with Ernauld de Mountenei, a valiant Knight, and
unhappily ran his lance into his throat under his helmet, it wanting a
collar; whereupon Mountenei fell from his horse and died instantly,
insomuch, as it was then supposed by some, that in regard his lance
had not a socket upon the point, he did it purposely in revenge of a
broken leg he had received from Mountenei, tilting with him in a
former tournament." Another of them, Robert de Mounteny, "was
presented at Chelmsford in 1254 or 1255 for not taking upon him the
order of knighthood. Either he or his son, Sir Robert de Mounteney,
died 15 Ed. I. [1286-87], holding Ging Mounteney of the Earl of
Gloucester and also Mountney's in Elmdon. Ernulph, or Arnulph,
afterwards created a Knight Banneret, was his son and heir," and gave
his name to Arnold's manor, where his seat is said to have been. Sir
John, who founded a chantry in Chelmsford churchyard, is the next
mentioned; a Sir Robert held in 1375; and in 1417 William de Mounteney
obtained of Henry V. free warren in "Yenge Mountenay." "In this
family," continues Morant, "it continued till after Henry VIII.'s
reign. John Mounteney, who died 1528, left a son and heir William,
then thirty years old. About the beginning of Queen Elizabeth's reign
the manor of Ging-Mounteney had changed hands."

* A missal with many heraldic decorations, executed by one of the
illuminators of the day for this Joan, is made the subject of a
particular bequest by her descendant Thomas Mounteney of Wheatley in
1499:—unum primarium cum armis meis pictis.” (source:
http://books.google.ca/books?id=Y18JAAAAIAAJ&pg=PA264&lpg=PA264&dq=%22briset%22+%22mounteney%22&source=bl&ots=mchCCEjCFX&sig=-RPkqpllaN6MiDS28QGyfFphMb4&hl=en&sa=X&ei=Q-yIT9S4B-LW0QGGsvXDCQ&ved=0CEcQ6AEwCQ#v=onepage&q=%22briset%22%20%22mounteney%22&f=false)

The book, ‘Willement’s roll of arms - An armorial of nobles and gentry
living in the reign of Richard II’, (2008), a preliminary edition by
Steen Clemmensen from the London, British Library, Ms. Egerton 3713,
(November 2008, Steen Clemmensen, Farum, Denmark, www.armorial.dk),
states the following with respect to a John and a Robert Mounteney:

“ 216 monsr john / moniteneye Mounteney 1a3 esx

gules a bend or between six martlets or

John Mounteney, Kt., held Diss &c (Norfolk) and in Yorks.

CCR 1389-93:300+454; CIPM 16:392 (of FitzWalter); DBA 1:377; O:4; AS:
394; BER:1770;
TJ:254; PT:1051;

217 monsr robert/ moniteneye Mounteney 1a1 esx

azure a bend or between six martlets or

Robert Mounteney, Kt., from Suffolk. Summoned to Great Council 1401
for Suffolk and retained as king's knight for life 1385, renewed 1402.
The arms are derived from Furnival by marriage, probably of Arnold (d.
1252) with a daughter of Gerald Furnival (d.1219).

Brault RAE 2:310; POPC 1:164; CPR 1385:1; DBA 1:377; Burke GA 712; XBM:
12035; MY:146;
GA:98; E:36; FW:164; N:417; B:145; F:179;” (source:
http://www.armorial.dk/english/WIL_PreEd.pdf)

Diana Spelman (dianas...@waitrose.com) sets forth in an e-mail
dated May 12, 2012 the following information with respect to a Robert
Mounteney, Knight, of Ginge Mounteney [i.e. Mountnessing] Essex &
Stowmarket Suffolk:

“The Mounteney will is in Norman-French; most early wills are in
Latin, but occasionally one comes across one in French. ...

Abstract will: Robert Mounteney Knight [PROB 11/2A - Norman French
will]

dated Tuesday before the Feast of St John the Baptist 7 Hen IV [1406]
burial in the church of the Priory of Toby next to the high altar;
to Roger Caundissh 10 marks
to my servant John Huberd 100s
to my servant John Maundevill 5 marks
to Elyne Boxstede 5 marks
to Richard Qwyte 40s
to John Hunte 40s
to Thomas Nowel 40s
to Henry atte Pasch 20s
to Thomas Masoun [10?]s on condition that he is residing with me when
I die
to Isabelle Brungor 20 marks
to Margaret May residing in Lyne Street London £20
to John son of the said Margaret 40s pa until the age of 15 years, for
his schooling, then 100 marks pa
to Phelype the wife of John Cornewaleys £20
to my cosyn William Halle £10
various religious bequests - Ginge Mounteney [i.e. Mountnessing] Essex
& Stowmarket Suffolk
residue of goods &c to executors: Monsieur Symond Felbrygge, John de
Lancastre, Roger Caundyssh, John Cornewaleys & William Stansted clerk
[Latin probate] proved 19 January 1408/9 - administration granted to
John de Lancastre & John Cornwalys, with power reserved to the other
executors.”

The Essex Record Office provides the following record with respect to
William Mounteney, esq. and Sir Robert Mounteney:

“Grant

Repository: Essex Record Office
Level: Category Estate and Family records
Level: Fonds PETRE FAMILY OF INGATESTONE AND WEST HORNDON.
Level: Sub-Fonds DEEDS
Level: Series Medieval deeds pertaining to the Petre estates
Level: Item Grant

Level:
Item
Reference Code D/DP T1/1694
Dates of Creation 6 November 14 Henry IV [1412]
Title [Grant]
Scope and Content William Mounteney, esq. to John Tirell, Lewis John
and John Cornewailles, citizens of London

All the services of John Huntingdon tenant of said William in the town
of Sawston, Cambridgeshire and elsewhere in the same county, that is
to say all the services of the said John Huntingdon of which Sir
Robert Mounteney or his ancestors were formerly seised
Date From 1412
Date To 1412”
(source: http://seax.essexcc.gov.uk/result_details.asp?GDH=1&DocID=441153&Reference=D/DP%20T1/1694)



The Essex Record Office provides the following records with respect to
the Mounteney family:

“Grant

Repository: Essex Record Office
Level: Category Estate and Family records
Level: Fonds PETRE FAMILY OF INGATESTONE AND WEST HORNDON.
Level: Sub-Fonds DEEDS
Level: Series Medieval deeds pertaining to the Petre estates
Level: Item Grant

Level:
Item
Reference Code D/DP T1/270
Dates of Creation Sunday after feast of St. Matthew 21 Edward III [23
September 1347]
Title [Grant]
Scope and Content Arnuloh son of Sir Arnulph de MOUNTNEY to Peter de
Takeleye

3 and a half acres of land in the town of Mountnessing

Seal of arms
Date From 1347”



(source: http://seax.essexcc.gov.uk/result_details.asp?intThisRecordsOffSet=3&id=441689)

“Receipt for 60s. rent

Repository: Essex Record Office
Level: Category Estate and Family records
Level: Fonds PETRE FAMILY OF INGATESTONE AND WEST HORNDON.
Level: Sub-Fonds DEEDS
Level: Series Medieval deeds pertaining to the Petre estates
Level: Item Receipt for 60s. rent

Level:
Item
Reference Code D/DP T1/25
Dates of Creation 2 December 22 Edward IV [1482]
Title [Receipt for 60s. rent]
Scope and Content Paid by John, Prior of Thoby [Montnessing] to Thomas
MOUNTNEY, esq.
Date From 1482”


(source: http://seax.essexcc.gov.uk/result_details.asp?intThisRecordsOffSet=4&id=441666)

pd...@peterdale.com

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to
On May 20, 3:09 am, "pd...@peterdale.com" <pd...@peterdale.com> wrote:
> Greetings,
>
> I trust the followers of this website are having an enjoyable
> weekend.  This is Victoria Day weekend in Canada and the weather has
> been glorious!
>
> I have an inquiry which I would be most grateful if someone could shed
> light on.  My name is Pete Dale and I am a corporate/commercial and
> business lawyer in Toronto, Canada.  I’m also an avid amateur
> genealogist.  I am a descendent of Margaret Mounteney.  I set forth
> below the information that I have gathered to date regarding my
> Mounteney ancestry.  Margaret was the daughter of Arnold de Mounteney/
> Multney of Mountnessing, Essex.  I would be most grateful for any
> information or insights, research suggestions, corrections or
> enlightenment as to how I may better establish and further explore
> Margaret and Arnold’s ancestry.  Many thanks!
>
> Cheers,
>
> Pete
>
> ********
>
> 15th G-Grandmother -Margery/MargaretMounteney – Margaret was the
>         d. after December 9, 1442 (source:http://www.oxford-shakespeare.com/DocumentsOther/Reg_Chichele_Tyrrell...)
> Robert come till his age be done for my soul, etc.”  (source:http://www.oxford-shakespeare.com/DocumentsOther/Reg_Chichele_Tyrrell...)
> 1089- d. 1179; see -http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_de_Luci]: it
> gules.”  (source:http://books.google.ca/books?id=SgQVAAAAQAAJ&pg=PA144&lpg=PA144&dq=%2...)
> 1499:—unum primarium cum armis meis pictis.”  (source:http://books.google.ca/books?id=Y18JAAAAIAAJ&pg=PA264&lpg=PA264&dq=%2...)
>
> The book, ‘Willement’s roll of arms - An armorial of nobles and gentry
> living in the reign of Richard II’, (2008), a preliminary edition by
> Steen Clemmensen from the London, British Library, Ms. Egerton 3713,
> (November 2008, Steen Clemmensen, Farum, Denmark,www.armorial.dk),
> states the following with respect to a John and a Robert Mounteney:
>
> “ 216 monsr john / moniteneye                                         Mounteney 1a3   esx
>
> gules a bend or between six martlets or
>
> John Mounteney, Kt., held Diss &c (Norfolk) and in Yorks.
>
> CCR 1389-93:300+454; CIPM 16:392 (of FitzWalter); DBA 1:377; O:4; AS:
> 394; BER:1770;
> TJ:254; PT:1051;
>
> 217 monsr robert/ moniteneye                                    Mounteney 1a1   esx
>
> azure a bend or between six martlets or
>
> Robert Mounteney, Kt., from Suffolk. Summoned to Great Council 1401
> for Suffolk and retained as king's knight for life 1385, renewed 1402.
> The arms are derived from Furnival by marriage, probably of Arnold (d.
> 1252) with a daughter of Gerald Furnival (d.1219).
>
> Brault RAE 2:310; POPC 1:164; CPR 1385:1; DBA 1:377; Burke GA 712; XBM:
> 12035; MY:146;
> GA:98; E:36; FW:164; N:417; B:145; F:179;” (source:http://www.armorial.dk/english/WIL_PreEd.pdf)
>
> Diana Spelman (dianaspel...@waitrose.com) sets forth in an e-mail
> (source:  http://seax.essexcc.gov.uk/result_details.asp?GDH=1&DocID=441153&Refe...)
>
> The Essex Record Office provides the following records with respect to
> the Mounteney family:
>
> “Grant
>
> Repository:     Essex Record Office
> Level: Category Estate and Family records
> Level: Fonds    PETRE FAMILY OF INGATESTONE AND WEST HORNDON.
> Level: Sub-Fonds        DEEDS
> Level: Series   Medieval deeds pertaining to the Petre estates
> Level: Item     Grant
>
> Level:
> Item
> Reference Code  D/DP T1/270
> Dates of Creation       Sunday after feast of St. Matthew 21 Edward III [23
> September 1347]
> Title   [Grant]
> Scope and Content       Arnuloh son of Sir Arnulph de MOUNTNEY to Peter de
> Takeleye
>
> 3 and a half acres of land in the town of Mountnessing
>
> Seal of arms
> Date From       1347”
>
> (source:  http://seax.essexcc.gov.uk/result_details.asp?intThisRecordsOffSet=3&...)
>
> “Receipt for 60s. rent
>
> Repository:     Essex Record Office
> Level: Category Estate and Family records
> Level: Fonds    PETRE FAMILY OF INGATESTONE AND WEST HORNDON.
> Level: Sub-Fonds        DEEDS
> Level: Series   Medieval deeds pertaining to the Petre estates
> Level: Item     Receipt for 60s. rent
>
> Level:
> Item
> Reference Code  D/DP T1/25
> Dates of Creation       2 December 22 Edward IV [1482]
> Title   [Receipt for 60s. rent]
> Scope and Content       Paid by John, Prior of Thoby [Montnessing] to Thomas
> MOUNTNEY, esq.
> Date From       1482”
>
> (source:  http://seax.essexcc.gov.uk/result_details.asp?intThisRecordsOffSet=4&...)

Please find below an interesting excerpt from Mr. R. H. Mounteney’s
book. This work, among others, seems to corroborate the familial
connection between the Mounteney families of Yorkshire, Norfolk,
Suffolk and Essex. I look most forward to any comments, advice,
corrections or enlightenment in connection therewith. Thank you!

Cheers,

Pete

********

The book, ‘The Mounteney Family – A Miscellany Compiled by R. H.
Mounteney’, (1977), states the following with respect to the Mounteney
family:

“pp. 128-147. 10. The Essex Families. It has already been shown that
the Mounteney family were at various times in the early and middle
ages in possession of a number of Manor Houses throughout the country,
and this chapter deals with the Essex Manor Houses which are mentioned
in “The History and Antiquaries of the County of Essex” by Morant, and
“The History and Topography of the County of Essex” by Thomas Wright.
In a number of instances the two historians differ in their
descriptions, and in these cases, both versions are quoted.

Mountneys-Ing, vulgarly Munnassing ...

The Mansion House stands within a few rods of the Church. The
Mounteney family was of great antiquity in this parish, for Robert de
Mountenni was one of the witnesses to the foundation Charter of Thobie
Priory, mentioned below, about the reign of King Stephen [1135-54].
And is supposed to have been the son and heir of Laecia, eldest
daughter of Jordan de Briesete, founder of the Hospital of St. John of
Jerusalem, near West Smithfield, London. This Robert had a son named
Eustace.

In 1254 or 1255, Robert de Mounteney was presented at Chelmsford, for
not taking upon him the order of knighthood. Either he (or his son)
Sir Robert de Mounteney, died the 15th year of Edward I (1287) holding
the manor of Gyng-Mounteney of the Earl of Gloucester, and also
Mountneys in Elmdon. Ernulph, or Arnulph, afterwards created a knight
Banneret, was his son and heir. Sir John de Mounteney is mentioned
next. And Sir Robert held it in 1375. William de Mountenay, 8th
February 1417, obtained of King Henry V free warren in his lands in
Yenge Mountenay. ...

(Note: - The above is taken from Morant’s book, and the varying
spelling is as shown in that book).

Thomas Wright in his book “The History and Topography of the County of
Essex” gives a somewhat shorter history: - ...

The Arms of the Mounteney were azure, on a bend between six
martlets. ...

Thomas Wright also mentions that in the South window of the chancel of
the Prior Church of St. Leonard, there are eight coats of arms,
including that of the Mounteney’s “azure, a bend argent, between six
martlets, or.”

In general, the descriptions of the Essex Manors by the two historians
is reasonably similar, with the possible exception of the Manor of
Bacons.

It is also interesting to note that the description of the Mounteney
arms at the Church of Thoby Priory differs in one important aspect
from any other description which has come to light, in that the bend
is stated to be “argent” (silver) and the martlets “or” (gold). ...

pp. 169-180. 12. The Norfolk Families. One of the Counties where the
Mounteney family settled in ancient times was Norfolk.

The following is an extract of a note in “Norfolk Families” by Walter
Rye at page 577: -

“Mounteny

A Visitation family (see the Harleian Society’s ‘Visitation of
Norfolk’ p. 205) which bore a bend between six martlets ...

The Pedigree in Norris pp. 827/8 only relates to an Essex family of
the name (who held a Manor in Sprowston, where Margery de Mountney,
daughter and heiress of Arnold de Mountney, married Sir John Jermy),
except that they refer to Elizabeth, daughter and heiress of Thomas
Mountney, marrying first Thomas Sexton and secondly Martin Sedley of
Morley, about 1550.

It may be that they are the early ‘Mounteyns’ and ‘Monteyns’ mentioned
under ‘Mountain’.

Arnold de Munteni of Diss at the end of the 13th century bore a
bendlet, six martlets”. ...

It is apparent that the same descendants from the Mounteney knights
who fought alongside William at Battle Abbey, and who inherited vast
estates in Yorkshire and Essex, became possessed of further properties
in the County of Norfolk.

The following notes have been taken from Blomefields’ “History of
Norfolk”:

“Dionisia, fourth daughter of Sir Richard de Lucy, married Arnold
Mounteney, Knight.”

“Arnold Mounteney (Ernald de Montiniaco) held a third part of the
Hundred of Diss”. ...

“Merton. In 1453, Robert, son and heir of Henry Pakenham, Esq.,
deceased, appointed William Pakenham, of Shropham, his attorney, to
deliver to William Mounteney, citizen and skinner of London, Richard
Caus. and others, seizin of all his lands, rents, services, etc. in
Merton, Thomson, Watton and Griston.” ...

“Frethorp. Arnold de Mounteney had also a lordship here, and in
Hasingham, in the right of King Henry III [1216-1272], held it of
Robert Fitzwalter by a quarter of a fee. In the same family it was
found in the 20th year of Edward III [1346-47] and in the 3rd of Henry
IV [1401-02], Arnold de Mounteny and his parceners held it.”

“Hasingham. Arnold de Mounteny had an interest here, in the 20th of
Henry III [1235-36] ... ... In the 9th of Edward II [1315-16] Sir
Arnold de Mounteny had a lordship, and held here, in Plumstede Parva
and Frethorp, a fee of the Earl of Rutland.”

“Limpenhoe. Arnold de Mounteney had also an interest here, as in
Frethorp.”

“Plumstede Parva. In the 1st year of Richard I [1189-90] William de
Mounteney confirmed to Will. de Plumstede, lands Robert de Mounteney
had given to the Prior of Norwich by deed, his mill belonging to his
fee, or lordship in Plumstede, standing on the River Ger, for the
health of his own and his wife’s soul, and of all his parents, friends
etc. and in particular for the soul of his father William de Mounteney
and Roesia his mother.”

“In the 3rd year of Henry IV [1401-02], the heirs of Arnold de
Monteney were lords of a manor held of the Earl of Rutland.”

“In 1303, William de Hoveden was instituted Rector of Plumstede Parva,
presented by Sir Ernulph de Mounteney, as lord of Sprouston, and in
1304, William de Wallop by Sir Arnold de Mounteney.”

“Beeston. The Conqueror was possessed of a lordship here ... ... The
ancient family of De Mounteney were lords of this manor in the reign
of Henry II [1154-89], when Robert de Mounteney was found to hold one
fee here of the old feoffment, and Sir Arnold de Mounteney held here
in Catton, etc. the same in King Henry III’s [1216-72] time, of Lord
Fitzwalter. The church was dedicated to St. Andrew and had two
medieties, in the patronage of the Mounteneys, and both granted by Sir
Robert de Mounteney, son of Arnold de Mounteney, by fine in the 54th
of Henry III [1269-70] to Geffrey, prior, and the convent of
Peterston.”

“Sprouston. The Conqueror had a lordship here in this town. Robert
de Mounteney held, in the reign of Henry II [1154-89], this lordship
of Richard de Lucy, lord chief justice of England. It came to that
family by the grant of King Henry I [1100-1135] to Sir Richard, and to
Sir Arnold de Mounteney on the marriage of Dionysia, fourth daughter
and co-heir of that Knight; this Robert was probably the son of Sir
William de Mounteney who married Lecia, eldest daughter and co-heir of
Jordan Briset, and Muriel, his wife, founders of the Priory of St.
John of Jerusalem, near Smithfield, in 1100.”

“In 1306, Sir Arnold de Mounteney was lord and patron of the Prior of
Ging Mounteney in Essex.”

From the foregoing extracts, it will be seen that both Sir Robert and
Arnold (or Ernaulph as it is sometimes written) are frequently
mentioned, and thus it is quite conclusive that these are the same two
knights who are also frequently mentioned in both the Essex and
Yorkshire histories and are shown on the Pedigree of the “Mounteney’s
of Shiercliffe &c.”.
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