An Alid male-line descent for the Maia family?
Francisco Antonio Doria
I was reviewing my notes on the matter and, lo!
something unexpected appeared all of a sudden. The
point is: there is a Hassanid nobleman named Farh/Ferh
ibn Abeth al-Hasani referred to in DC 229, and that
individual *might be* identified to Ferh/Feth the
father of Leodesindo and gfather of Abunazar ibn
Leodesindo.
There is a well-known Alid, al-Hasani, line in
Morocco, the Idrissid line.
Below is my post on the subject to a Portuguese
genealogy list; it's in Portuguese. Todd, Nat, Don
Stone, and everybody who understands Spanish will have
no difficulty with it. Best, chico
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Abunazar da Maia.
Não há dúvidas que existiram perto de Lorvão, no
século X, membros da
família omíada (DC 229). Nesses documentos encontramos
personagens com
nomes como allamaui, allahami, alkaizi. Alamaui é
Al-Umawi, o Omíada,
assim como allahami é Al-Lahami, membro de outra
família da
aristocracia árabe, alkaizi = Al-Qaysi, idem, etc.
Vendem terras a um
abade Dulcidio que cautelosamente identifico a
Dulcidio Abolmondar [Abu
Al-Mundhir].
Um destes omíadas era Zaa'adum al-Umawi, que vivera em
meados do século
X. O DC 39, de 933 cita um rico proprietário,
Zaa'adum, sem sobrenome,
casado com Aragunte Fromariques, em ato de venda. (Há
com certeza
outros Zaa'adum citados na área, que podem ser ou não
este. Mas este,
citado no DC 39, era um grão senhor.) Por sua vez, o
LL dá como
ancestral da família da Maia a um Dom Çadão Çada, nome
que interpretei
como prenome + patronímico, mas que pode ser apenas
uma forma
intensiva, com redobro, prenome declinado + prenome
sem declinação.
Çadão = Zaa'adum; o LL fá-lo `bisneto de el-rei
Aboali.' Tinha
identificado Aboali ao emir Abdallah (cf. Boabdil =
Abu Abd Allah). Mas
Manoel Cesar Furtado e Manuel Soveral me corrigiram; é
com certeza o
califa al-Walid (711).
E' bem conhecida uma linha andaluz de descendentes de
al-Walid, os
al-Habibi, Abu Sulayman. Uma série de dados
circunstanciais, a
existência de um Morro de Abu Sulayman nas terras
desses, um al-Walid
descendente do califa e a tempo de ser bisavô de
Zaa'adum, etc.,
sugerem que Zaa'adum al-Umawi, do DC 229, identificado
ao do DC 39,
fosse o referido no LL.
Há também um Násr ibn Leodesindo atestado em 967 e
968. Suspeito fosse
Abunazar Lovesendes. (O nome Abunazar é bem atestado.)
Abu Násr tem
significado ambíguo: literalmente, é ``pai de Násr.''
Pode ser um
tratamento de respeito, uso que mantemos no coloquial,
como p.e., Pai
José - um senhor venerável, de nome José. Ou (pelas
datas) pode ser
alguém da kunya (grupo familiar, em sentido lado) de
an-Násr, nome
assumido pelo califa Abd ar-Rahman III, m. 961.
A linha da família da Maia seria:
1. Fethe, Ferhe, Farh - talvez o Farh iben Abeth iben
al-Hasani, do DC
229, de 1007. Atestado no DC 94, de 967. P.d.:
2. Leodesindo ibn Fethe, atestado em vários
documentos, entre os quais
o DC 94. C.c. Ortega bint Zaa'adum (LL), filha de
Zaa'adum e de
Aragunte Fromariques. Confirma um documento entre 939
e 950 junto com
Ramiro II. Zaa'adum é identificado ao de 939, DC 33, e
ao Zaa'adum
al-Umawi (o omíada), do DC 229, de 1007, onde aparece
como pai de um
confirmante. P.d.:
3. Nasr, Nasrum, Abu Nasr ibn
Leodesindo/Leodesindes/Lovesendes,
atestado nos DC 94 e 95. C. (1) c. Tortora. Lemos os
filhos nos docs.
referidos:
- Suleiman ibn Nasrum.
- Abzieri ibn Nasrum.
- Fromarico ibn Nasr[um] - identificado ao Fromarico
Abunazar ``Cid.''
- Malik ibn Abunazar, num doc. de 996.
Depois moveu-se para o norte, c. (2) com Unisco Godins
e fundou em 978
o mosteiro de Santo Tirso. Pais dos filhos conhecidos
de Abunazar
Lovesendes, ``dom Alboazar Ramires.''
Esta é, com certeza, uma restauração controversa. Se
Fethe/Ferhe
estiver corretamente identificado ao Ferhe ibn
al-Hasani, então seria
possivelmente trineto do hassânida Idris, tronco dos
xarifes do
Marrocos. Zaa'adum al-Umawi, por sua vez, é dado como
descendente do
califa omíada al-Walid, que vivia em 711. Pertenceria
à linha
al-Habibi, Abu Sulayman, atestada na Andaluzia.
Toda a lenda da Miragaia resultaria de dois fatos: a
ascendência
varonil ilustríssima dos senhores da Maia - seriam
alidas, então -
transposta para a varonia mais aceitável, dos reis
visigodos, o que
resultaria da confusão dos dois casamentos de Abunazar
Lovesendes com
os problemas conjugais de Ramiro II.
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Francisco Antonio Doria
Just to add some extra spice: the last Alid-Idrissid
amir in Morocco was dethroned in 931: al-Hassan. And
we get an al-Hasani a bit after near Coimbra...
chico
--- Francisco Antonio Doria
<franciscoa...@yahoo.com.br> escreveu: >
Francisco Antonio Doria
Sorry, Leo; I admit it was rather nasty on my part.
I've been traveling a lot due to official
responsibilities in this new Administration, and
cannot always participate in the list.
A summary: by reviewing DC 229, dated 1007, I noticed
that the first confirmant (the al-Hasani) was the son
of a Farh/Ferh ibn Abeth ibn al-Hasani. There are
several ibn Zaa'adum [Zahadon] al-Umawi in that
document, which might indicate a proximity between the
ibn Ferhe/ibn Zaa'adum families. If this Ferhe is the
ancestor of the Maia family, then there is a strong
possibility that he is an Alid, that is, descended
from the Prophet through Fatima, wife of Ali. The last
Idrissid in Morocco was al-Hasan, deposed in 931. So,
we might be dealing with Muslim royalty in the origins
of the Maia family.
Also, I found a Fromarico ibn Nasr in 967 that might
be Fromarico Abunazar ``Cid'' from the Santo Tirso
document. (Fromarico is the name of Aragunte's father
in DC 39, dated 933, and should then be the ggfather
of Abunazar ibn Leodesindo.)
chico
--- Leo van de Pas <leov...@bigpond.com> escreveu: >
Dear Chico,
>
> You are tantalising all of us who don't speak/read
> Portuguese and Spanish
> :-(
> Would it be hard work to translate the main details?
> I know, translating can be a ghastly job :-)
> Leo
CGdeVasconcellos
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>Date: 8/30/2003 6:00 PM Pacific Standard Time
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The work you do is remarkable indeed and I, again commend you for your
unstinting generosity in sharing it with all of us.
I am very interested in the Ummayad / Maia ancestries in the Iberian Peninsula
and this certainly fills a void.
Wonderful work.
Carlos de Vasconcellos
Manoel Cesar Furtado
2. Leodesindo ibn Fethe, atestado em vários
> documentos, entre os quais
> o DC 94. C.c. Ortega bint Zaa'adum (LL), filha de
> Zaa'adum e de
> Aragunte Fromariques. Confirma um documento entre
> 939
> e 950 junto com
> Ramiro II. Zaa'adum é identificado ao de 939, DC 33
Francisco,
I was looking at the Indices of the Coleccion Diplomatica del Monasterio de
Sahagun (857-1300) and the Coleccion Documental del Archivo de la Catedral
de Leon (775-1230), and I found some "Feta, Fetha" documented also as "Abol
(Abul) Fetha", "Abolfeta".
Sahagun:
1. Abolfeta, conf.: doc nº 17, 141, 144, 249; test.: doc. nº 80.
2. Abolfeta iben December, conf.: doc. nº 19, 26, 31; test.: 22.
Leon:
1. Fetha, Feta, prop. lind.: doc. nº 272; test.: 125; "aurifice", test.:
241.
2. Abolfeta, cognomento Rancemiro, conf.: doc. nº 27, 50, 55, 56, 99, 108.
3. Abolfeta, conf.: doc. nº 486; prop. lind. 210, 288, 392; test.: 79, 84,
119, 219.
4. Abolfeta iben December, conf.: doc. nº 43, 45; prop. lind.: 84; test.:
46, 48.
Best,
Manoel Cesar Furtado
Francisco Antonio Doria
Carlos:
I'll soon post the whole descent from the Prophet on.
I'm now wondering whether the whole Miragaia legend,
with the totally unwarranted male-line descent from
Ramiro II, wasn't some kind of cover-up for the
apostasy of this Alid branch.
chico
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Francisco Antonio Doria
Can you forward those to me, Manoel Cesar? Especially
the Abolfeta cognomento Rancemiro?
My argument has to do with the presence in a single
document of this Fethe ibn Abeth ibn al-Hasan(i) and
several children of Zaa'ad(um) al-Umawi. Fethe and
Zaa'adum should be contemporary; it is known that the
last Idrissids moved to Andaluzia after 931 where they
hold positions in the Ummayad caliphate.
chico
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Rik Vigeland
Not perfect but it should tell what the foundations of
the research are. Apologies if I missed any fine points.
-- Rik Vigeland
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There is no doubt that there existed close to Lorvão, in the 10th century,
members of the Umayyad family (DC 229). In these documents we find persons
with names as Allamaui, Allahami, Alkaizi. Alamaui is Al-Umawi, the Umayyad,
as well as Allahami is Al-Lahami, member of another family of the Arab
aristocracy,
Alkaizi = Al-Qaysi, etc. Selling lands to Abbot Dulcidio that I cautiously
identify as Dulcidio Abolmondar [ Abu Al-Mundhir ].
One of these Umayyads was Zaa'adum al-Umawi, who in DC 39 lives in the
middle
of the 10th century, and from 933 is cited as a rich proprietor. Zaa'adum,
without a last name, married Aragunte Fromariques, in an act of dowry.
(It is certain that other Zaa'adums, cited in the area, may or may not be
the same. But this one, cited in DC 39, was a supreme gentleman.) In turn,
the
LL gives the ancestry of the Maia family to a Dom Çadão Çada, a name that
I interpreted as first name + patronymic, and this can be only one specific
form, given the doubling: a declinated first name + first name without
declination.
Çadão = Zaa'adum; the LL calls him "a great-grandson of the king Aboali." It
had
identified Aboali as the Emir Abdallah (cf. Boabdil = Abu Abd Allah). But
Manoel
Cesar Furtado and Manuel Soveral had corrected me; al-Walid is certainly a
caliph (711).
A well known Andalusian line of descendants of al-Walid, al-Habibi, Abu
Sulayman.
A series of circumstantial data, the existence of a Mount of Abu Sulayman in
the
these lands, one al-Walid descending from the caliphs at the time of the
great-grandfather of Zaa'adum, etc., suggest that Zaa'adum al-Umawi, of DC
229,
identified as the one of DC 39, was also the one named in the LL.
There is also a Násr Ibn Leodesindo, certified in 967 and 968. I suspected
it was Abunazar Lovesendes (the Abunazar name is well certified.) Abu Násr
has an ambiguous meaning: literally, it is "father of Násr." This can be a
title of respect, one that we keep in the coloquial, as in Father Jose -
one venerable gentleman, named Jose. Or (for the dates) he can be somebody
related (familial group, on one side) of an-Násr, a name assumed for caliph
Abd al-Rahman III, d. 961.
The line of the family of the Maia would be:
1, Fethe, Ferhe, Farh - perhaps the Farh iben Abeth iben al-Hasani, of DC
229,
1007. Certified in DC 94, of 967. Father of:
2, Leodesindo ibn Fethe, certified in some documents, including DC 94.
Married
Ortega bint Zaa'adum (LL), daughter of Zaa'adum and Aragunte Fromariques. It
confirms a
document between 939 and 950 and together with Ramiro II Zaa'adum it
identifies the one
of 939, DC 33, and Zaa'adum al-Umawi ("the Umayyad"), of DC 229, of 1007,
where he appears as their confirmed father. Father of:
3, Nasr, Nasrum, Abu Nasr ibn Leodesindo/Leodesindes/Lovesendes, certified
in DC 94 and 95. Married (1) Tortora. We find their children in related
docs:
- Suleiman ibn Nasrum.
- Abzieri ibn Nasrum.
- Fromarico ibn Nasr[um ] - identified to the Fromarico Abunazar `` Cid.''
- Malik ibn Abunazar, in one doc. of 996.
Later he moved northward, married (2) to Unisco Godins and established in
978
the monastery of Saint Tirso. Parents of the known children of Abunazar
Lovesendes,
dom Alboazar Ramires.
This is, with certainty, a controversial restoration. If Fethe/Ferhe is
correctly
identified as the Ferhe ibn al-Hasani, then he would possibly be the third
of the
Hassanid Idrisids, founder of sharifs (caliphs) of Morocco. Zaa'adum
al-Umawi, in turn,
is a descendant of Umayyad caliph al-Walid, who lived in 711. He would
belong to the
line of al-Habibi, Abu Sulayman, certified in Andalusia.
All the legends of the Miragaia would result in two facts: the most
illustrious, manly
ancestry of the gentlemen of the Maia - they would be Alids, then - were
transposed for
the more acceptable lineage - the visigothic kings; and the resulting
confusion
of the two marriages of Abunazar Lovesendes with the conjugal problems of
Ramiro II.
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Jeffery A. Duvall
County of Rutland* (1684) compares to Thomas Blore's *The History and
Antiquities of the County of Rutland* (1811)? I'm still trying to find out
whether or not Catherine Mackworth (d. aft. 1611), wife of John Baldwin (d.
1611) of Midloe & Great Staughton, Huntingdonshire, was the daughter of
Francis Mackworth (d. 1557) of Empingham & Normanton, Rutland or some other
Francis Mackworth.
I was able to access a copy of Wright's work online but it proved no more
enlightening than any other source I've see so far -- the only child
mentioned in the first 13 out of the first 14 generations of the published
pedigree is the preceding generation's heir. Is Blore's work likely to
expand on Wright's or is it mostly a rehash of the earlier work? Rutland is
outside my usual areas of research in England (Kent, Lancashire & Cheshire)
so I'm not familiar with the quality of these sources.
Thanks for the help.
Jeff Duvall
Indy
jef...@iquest.net
Francisco Antonio Doria
It's ok, Rik. Do you speak/read Portuguese?
chico
PS: Sorry, but this stuff comes straight from my
files. I'm quite slow at typing, so I prefer to post
the unprepared notes than to postpone it undefinitely
until I'm able to translate it.
--- Rik Vigeland <rik_vi...@mentorg.com> escreveu:
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Chris Phillips
I don't think I've ever used Blore's work, but Currie and Lewis in "A Guide
to English County Histories" (1994) speak quite highly of it, saying that
"The traditional concentration on the pedigrees of noble and gentle families
and the careers of important individuals was taken to new heights of
documentary precision and detail" in it, though only the second part of the
first volume on The East Hundred was published.
If Wright's book is freely available online I'd be very interested to know
the URL. But perhaps this is the subscription service that Paul mentioned?
Chris Phillips
Rik Vigeland
It makes the whole processs a lot faster that way. I do speak
a few other languages, though, which tends to make one familiar
with lots of verb stems and translation in general.
Rik
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