Pocahantas and Edwina Ashley..........

[SeanXM]

Dear Group,

While on the subject of Pocahantas, I have read before that Edwina Ashley, the
wife of the Lord Mountbatten was a descendant as well. If true, can anyone show
how her descent can be traced?

Thank you,
Sean

[DavidBotts]

If Edwina kins, I suspect its over in the Peter Elwin branch

1 John Rolfe b: May 06, 1585 in Heachum, England
.. +Matoaka 'Pocahontas' b: Abt. 1595 in of Powhatan Village, Werewocomoco,
Orapax, Virginia
......... 2 Thomas Rolfe b: Abt. 1615 in Varina, Jamestown, Virginia
............. +Elizabeth Washington b: WFT Est. 1615-1616 in England
.................... 3 Anne Rolfe b: Bet. 1632 - 1633 in England
........................ +Peter Elwin b: 1623 in Thurning, Norfolk, England
......... *2nd Wife of Thomas Rolfe:
............. +Jane Poythress b: Abt. 1615 in Varina, Jamestown, Virginia
.................... 3 Jane Rolfe b: October 10, 1655 in Jamestown, Virginia
........................ +Robert 'the Immigrant' Bolling b: December 26, 1646
in All Hollows, Barkin Parish, London, Middlesex, England
............................... 4 John 'of Cobbs' Bolling I b: January 27,
1675/76 in Kippox plantation, Prince George County, Virginia
................................... +Mary Kennon b: Bet. 1678 - 1679 in
Virginia
.................... *2nd Husband of Jane Rolfe:
........................ +James B. Ferguson b: Abt. 1653 in Virginia
............................... 4 Jane Elvira Ferguson b: Abt. 1700 in
Virginia
................................... +Peachy R. Grattan b: WFT Est. 1790-1803
in Virginia

...Rolfe continued to Plymouth, Devon with his small son who was also
sick, where he was left with his uncle to be brought up in England.
In Virginia Rolfe married a third time to Jane daughter of Capy
William Pierce or Powers and had a daughter Elizabeth.
Rolfe was killed in a horrible massacre near Henrico on 1622.
Thomas married in London Elizabeth Washington in 1632.She died in
childbirth 1633. Thomas went to Virginia to claim his inheritance and
left his daughter Anne with his cousin Anthony Rolfe. Anthony brought
her up as his daughter (he had just lost his own young daughter).
Anne married Peter Elwin of Thurning, Norfolk 1623-1695 from whom
many English people are descended...

SRC REF: Stuart Cresswell
stuart.c...@zetnet.co.uk

[John Steele Gordon]

David Botts wrote:

> If Edwina kins, I suspect its over in the Peter Elwin branch
>
> 1 John Rolfe b: May 06, 1585 in Heachum, England
> .. +Matoaka 'Pocahontas' b: Abt. 1595 in of Powhatan Village,
> Werewocomoco,
> Orapax, Virginia
> ......... 2 Thomas Rolfe b: Abt. 1615 in Varina, Jamestown, Virginia
> ............. +Elizabeth Washington b: WFT Est. 1615-1616 in England
> .................... 3 Anne Rolfe b: Bet. 1632 - 1633 in England
> ........................ +Peter Elwin b: 1623 in Thurning, Norfolk,
> England
>

Neither biography of Pocahontas that I have on hand ( both called
"Pocahontas," one by Grace Steele Woodward, Univ. of Okla. Press, 1969;
and the other by Frances Mossiker, Knopf, 1976) makes any mention of an
English marriage by Thomas Rolfe or, indeed any marriage to anyone other
than Jane Poythress. And they mention no children other than Jane Rolfe.

Have you any sources other than WFT for this information?

> Thomas married in London Elizabeth Washington in 1632.She died in
> childbirth 1633. Thomas went to Virginia to claim his inheritance and
> left his daughter Anne with his cousin Anthony Rolfe. Anthony brought
> her up as his daughter (he had just lost his own young daughter).
> Anne married Peter Elwin of Thurning, Norfolk 1623-1695 from whom
> many English people are descended...
>

This has more than a whiff of "genealogical baby switching" about it.
Again, is there any proof of this?

John Steele Gordon

[DavidBotts]

Hi John (and all):

This Peter Elwin information came to me from various sources here and abroad,
not a Broderbund submission. There is a book covering the English branch
privately published down under in Australia. I was about to pick up a copy
last year when some material and addresses were lost on a trip out to
California). The proof should be listed in the book. I have some sketches
taken from its pages that I can dig out, but it may take a bit.

BTW, I use "WFT" to mark my guesses (WFT 1900-1910) versus other researcher's
guesses (Bet. 1900-1910). My "WFT" dates internally mark entries that are not
associated with the World Family Tree.

Thanks,

Dave Botts

[The Stanley Family]

DavidBotts wrote in message
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>If Edwina kins, I suspect its over in the Peter Elwin branch
>
>
> 1 John Rolfe b: May 06, 1585 in Heachum, England
>.. +Matoaka 'Pocahontas' b: Abt. 1595 in of Powhatan Village,
Werewocomoco,
>Orapax, Virginia
>......... 2 Thomas Rolfe b: Abt. 1615 in Varina, Jamestown, Virginia
>............. +Elizabeth Washington b: WFT Est. 1615-1616 in England
>.................... 3 Anne Rolfe b: Bet. 1632 - 1633 in England
>........................ +Peter Elwin b: 1623 in Thurning, Norfolk,
England

>......... *2nd Wife of Thomas Rolfe:
>............. +Jane Poythress b: Abt. 1615 in Varina, Jamestown, Virginia
>.................... 3 Jane Rolfe b: October 10, 1655 in Jamestown,
Virginia
>........................ +Robert 'the Immigrant' Bolling b: December 26,
1646
>in All Hollows, Barkin Parish, London, Middlesex, England
>............................... 4 John 'of Cobbs' Bolling I b: January
27,
>1675/76 in Kippox plantation, Prince George County, Virginia
>................................... +Mary Kennon b: Bet. 1678 - 1679 in
>Virginia
>.................... *2nd Husband of Jane Rolfe:
>........................ +James B. Ferguson b: Abt. 1653 in Virginia
>............................... 4 Jane Elvira Ferguson b: Abt. 1700 in
>Virginia
>................................... +Peachy R. Grattan b: WFT Est.
1790-1803
>in Virginia
>

James B. Ferguson was not the 2nd husband of Jane Rolfe - in fact, he's her
descendant! When I saw the name "Peachy R. Grattan" (a name that sticks in
one's mind, for some reason <g>), I knew something was amiss. Here's the
line I have from Matoaka (Pocahontas) down through Peachy's wife. Hope this
helps someone.

Direct Descendants of Matoaca

1 Matoaca Sex: Female b: Abt 1595 VA d: March 20, 1616/17 Gravesend, Kent
Co., England
. +John Rolfe Sex: Male b: May 06, 1585 Heachum, England d: March 22,
1621/22 Indian massacre in Henrico Co., VA m: April 05, 1614 Jamestown, VA
Father: John Rolfe Mother: Dorothea Mason
.. 2 Thomas Rolfe Sex: Male b: 1615 Smith's Fort Plantation, VA d: VA
...... +Jane Poyers (AKA Jane Poythress) Sex: Female b: Abt 1615 Jamestown,
VA Father: Francis Poythress Mother: Alice Peyton
....... 3 Jane Rolfe Sex: Female b: 1650 VA d: 1676 VA
........... +Robert Bolling Sex: Male b: December 26, 1646 "All Hallows",
Barkin Parish, London, England d: July 17, 1709 "Kippax", Charles City Co.,
VA m: 1675 Father: John Bolling Mother: Mary Carie
............ 4 John Bolling Sex: Male b: January 26, 1675/76
"Kippax",Charles City Co., VA d: April 20, 1729 "Cobbs", Henrico Co., VA
................ +Mary Kennon Sex: Female b: June 29, 1679 "Conjurer's
Neck", Henrico Co., VA d: June 29, 1727 "Cobbs", Henrico Co., VA m:
December 29, 1697 Henrico Co., VA Father: Richard Kennon Mother: Elizabeth
Worsham
................. 5 Martha Bolling Sex: Female b: 1713 d: October 23, 1749
..................... +Thomas Eldridge, Jr. Sex: Male b: 1710 d: December
04, 1754 m: 1737 Father: Thomas Eldridge Mother: Judith Kennon
...................... 6 Judith Eldridge Sex: Female b: March 11, 1741/42
.......................... +James Ferguson Sex: Male Father: Mother:
........................... 7 James B. Ferguson Sex: Male
............................... +Jane S. Payne Sex: Female d: 1806
Father: Archer Payne Mother: Martha Dandridge
................................ 8 Jane Elvira Ferguson Sex: Female b:
April 06, 1806 d: September 08, 1888
........................... *2nd Wife of James B. Ferguson:

[DavidBotts]

Thanks:

Glad when someone spots an heir or error, which ever the case may be. <g> BTW,
please do send me your name and source for this information. I tend to source
Database entries and give credit where credit is due.

Thanks,

Dave Botts

Of the branch of the Botts (Botts<...<Capt. Graves) that lived downstream from
Edith's branch (Botts<Powhatan)

[MHanter]

Anyone wishing to examine a good discussion of Rolfe descendants of the Indian
lady should consult ADVENTURERS OF PURSE AND PERSON, 3rd Edition. It discusses
the English marriage and child of Thomas Rolfe as well as Jane Rolfe, wife of
John Bolling.

[Raymond l. montgomery]

To whom it may concern
Those researching the rolfe family I have read that thomas Rolphe
(realph) of the eastern shore born 1654 or there abouts is a decendant of
JOhn Rolfe.
could some one check the multitude of books that have been quoted to see
if this is indeed the case!
Sincerely
RAY

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[The Stanley Family]

Most of this is from "Pocahontas' Descendants", the latest edition which
includes 3 sets of corrections/additions. (I loaned my copy, or I'd give
you the full name/authors).

The date of the marriage of Pocahontas & John Rolfe and her death date comes
from "The History of Henrico County" by Louis H. Manarin and Clifford
Dowdey, University Press of Virginia, 1984. There is a good bit of other
information in this volume about their circumstances. For it's information,
this work cites: John Rolfe's will dated 3/10/1622; Frances Mossiker,
'Pocahontas: The Life and the Legend' (New York, 1976), p. 169; Grace Steele
Woodward, 'Pocahontas' (Norman, Okla., 1969), p. 165; Marguerite Stuart
Qarles, 'Pocahontas (Bright Stream between Two Hills)' (Richmond, 1939, p.
25; John Rolfe, 'A True Relation of the State of Virginia Left by Sir Thomas
Dale, Knight, in May Last 1616' ed. John Melville Jennings (Charlottesville,
Va., 1951, p. xxiii; John Rolfe File, First Families of Virginia Papers,
Archives and Records Division, Virginia State Library, Richmond.

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