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C.P. Addition: Elizabeth Croyser (died 1421), wife of Ralph de Camoys, Knt., Edward de Kendale, Knt., and Thomas [de la] Barre, Knt.
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celticp...@gmail.com
Jun 14, 2019, 7:04:11 PM6/14/19
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Dear Newsgroup ~
Complete Peerage 2 (1912): 507 (sub Camoys) includes a brief biography of Sir Thomas de Camoys, 2nd Lord Camoys (died 1372). The following information is provided by Complete Peerage regarding his marriage and issue.
"He married, in or shortly before 1327, Margaret, who by her will, dated 1386, directed her burial to be in the church of St. George at Trotton. He died s.p.s., 11 April 1372, his son, Ralph, having predeceased him." END OF QUOTE.
As we can see, Complete Peerage states that Sir Thomas de Camoys had a son and heir apparent, Ralph de Camoys, but provides no particulars regarding Ralph saving his name and that he died before his father.
In the course of research, I've determined that Sir Thomas de Camoys' son, Sir Ralph de Camoys, married Elizabeth, daughter of William Croyser (or Crozier), Knt., of Stoke D’Abernon, Surrey. Sir Ralph de Camoys was living in 1365–6, and died before 12 Feb. 1370. At his death, his wife Elizabeth survived him. She re-married twice after his death, first to Sir Edward de Kendale the younger, and second to Sir Thomas [de la] Barre. Although Elizabeth had no surviving issue by either her first or second marriages, she had a son, Thomas Barre, Knt., by her third marriage. She died in advanced old age shortly before 1 Jan. 1421.
For interest's sake, I've copied my current file account of Sir Ralph de Camoys and his wife, Elizabeth Croyser, below.
Although Elizabeth Croyser has no Camoys descendants, by way of her son, Thomas Barre, Knt., Elizabeth is ancestral to the following 17th Century New World immigrants:
Henry, Thomas, & William Batte, Anne Fielder
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
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RALPH DE CAMOYS, Knt., of Flockthorpe (in Hardingham), Norfolk, son and heir apparent. He married ELIZABETH CROYSER (or CROZIER), daughter of William Croyser (or Crozier), Knt., of Stoke D’Abernon, Surrey. They had no issue. SIR RALPH DE CAMOYS was living in 1365–6, and died before 12 Feb. 1370. His widow, Elizabeth, married (2nd) EDWARD DE KENDALE, Knt. [the younger], of Kendals (in Wrestlingworth) and Woodcroft (in Luton), Bedfordshire, Shalden, Hampshire, Maidencroft (in Ippollitts), Titburst (in Aldenham), and Wakeley, Hertfordshire, etc. SIR EDWARD DE KENDALE died 1375. His widow, Elizabeth, married (3rd) before 1 Feb. 1381 THOMAS [DE LA] BARRE, Knt., of Barre’s Court (in Holmer), Blakemere, Clehonger, Cobham (in Allensmore), Little Marcle, Meer Court (in Allensmore), Moccas, and Rotherwas (in Dinedor), and Tarrington, Herefordshire, Ayot St. Lawrence, Hertfordshire, Matherne, Monmouthshire, etc., Justice of the Peace for Herefordshire, 1384–5, Knight of the Shire for Herefordshire, 1386, 1402, 1416, Knight of the Shire for Hertfordshire, 1401, 1407, 1411, Justice of the Peace for Hertfordshire, 1401, 1406–7. They had one son, Thomas Barre, Knt. She is possibly the Elizabeth Camoys who was paid 50s. by Sir Edward Courtenay, Earl of Devon out of his manor of Waddesdon, Buckinghamshire in 1382–3. Thomas presented to the church of Hardingham, Norfolk in 1392. He and Elizabeth his wife presented to the church of Hardington, Norfolk in 1417. SIR THOMAS BARRE died 12 or 22 Dec. 1420. Elizabeth died shortly before 1 Jan. 1421.
References:
Blomefield, Essay towards a Top. Hist. of Norfolk 10 (1809): 221–227. Notes & Queries 6th Ser. 9 (1884): 27. VCH Hertford 2 (1908): 155–156. VCH Hampshire 4 (1911): 101–103. C.P. 2 (1912): 507 (sub Camoys). C.P.R. 1367–1370 (1913): 368. C.C.R. 1377–1381 (1914): 426, 506–507. C.C.R. 1419–1422 (1932): 180–181. C.F.R. 14 (1934): 335, 336, 390, 435. Devon & Cornwall Notes & Queries 35 (1983): 156. Cal. I.P.M. 21 (2002): 144–145, 272–273.
Complete Peerage 2 (1912): 507 (sub Camoys) includes a brief biography of Sir Thomas de Camoys, 2nd Lord Camoys (died 1372). The following information is provided by Complete Peerage regarding his marriage and issue.
"He married, in or shortly before 1327, Margaret, who by her will, dated 1386, directed her burial to be in the church of St. George at Trotton. He died s.p.s., 11 April 1372, his son, Ralph, having predeceased him." END OF QUOTE.
As we can see, Complete Peerage states that Sir Thomas de Camoys had a son and heir apparent, Ralph de Camoys, but provides no particulars regarding Ralph saving his name and that he died before his father.
In the course of research, I've determined that Sir Thomas de Camoys' son, Sir Ralph de Camoys, married Elizabeth, daughter of William Croyser (or Crozier), Knt., of Stoke D’Abernon, Surrey. Sir Ralph de Camoys was living in 1365–6, and died before 12 Feb. 1370. At his death, his wife Elizabeth survived him. She re-married twice after his death, first to Sir Edward de Kendale the younger, and second to Sir Thomas [de la] Barre. Although Elizabeth had no surviving issue by either her first or second marriages, she had a son, Thomas Barre, Knt., by her third marriage. She died in advanced old age shortly before 1 Jan. 1421.
For interest's sake, I've copied my current file account of Sir Ralph de Camoys and his wife, Elizabeth Croyser, below.
Although Elizabeth Croyser has no Camoys descendants, by way of her son, Thomas Barre, Knt., Elizabeth is ancestral to the following 17th Century New World immigrants:
Henry, Thomas, & William Batte, Anne Fielder
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
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RALPH DE CAMOYS, Knt., of Flockthorpe (in Hardingham), Norfolk, son and heir apparent. He married ELIZABETH CROYSER (or CROZIER), daughter of William Croyser (or Crozier), Knt., of Stoke D’Abernon, Surrey. They had no issue. SIR RALPH DE CAMOYS was living in 1365–6, and died before 12 Feb. 1370. His widow, Elizabeth, married (2nd) EDWARD DE KENDALE, Knt. [the younger], of Kendals (in Wrestlingworth) and Woodcroft (in Luton), Bedfordshire, Shalden, Hampshire, Maidencroft (in Ippollitts), Titburst (in Aldenham), and Wakeley, Hertfordshire, etc. SIR EDWARD DE KENDALE died 1375. His widow, Elizabeth, married (3rd) before 1 Feb. 1381 THOMAS [DE LA] BARRE, Knt., of Barre’s Court (in Holmer), Blakemere, Clehonger, Cobham (in Allensmore), Little Marcle, Meer Court (in Allensmore), Moccas, and Rotherwas (in Dinedor), and Tarrington, Herefordshire, Ayot St. Lawrence, Hertfordshire, Matherne, Monmouthshire, etc., Justice of the Peace for Herefordshire, 1384–5, Knight of the Shire for Herefordshire, 1386, 1402, 1416, Knight of the Shire for Hertfordshire, 1401, 1407, 1411, Justice of the Peace for Hertfordshire, 1401, 1406–7. They had one son, Thomas Barre, Knt. She is possibly the Elizabeth Camoys who was paid 50s. by Sir Edward Courtenay, Earl of Devon out of his manor of Waddesdon, Buckinghamshire in 1382–3. Thomas presented to the church of Hardingham, Norfolk in 1392. He and Elizabeth his wife presented to the church of Hardington, Norfolk in 1417. SIR THOMAS BARRE died 12 or 22 Dec. 1420. Elizabeth died shortly before 1 Jan. 1421.
References:
Blomefield, Essay towards a Top. Hist. of Norfolk 10 (1809): 221–227. Notes & Queries 6th Ser. 9 (1884): 27. VCH Hertford 2 (1908): 155–156. VCH Hampshire 4 (1911): 101–103. C.P. 2 (1912): 507 (sub Camoys). C.P.R. 1367–1370 (1913): 368. C.C.R. 1377–1381 (1914): 426, 506–507. C.C.R. 1419–1422 (1932): 180–181. C.F.R. 14 (1934): 335, 336, 390, 435. Devon & Cornwall Notes & Queries 35 (1983): 156. Cal. I.P.M. 21 (2002): 144–145, 272–273.
monica kanellis
Jun 17, 2019, 7:32:43 PM6/17/19
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On Friday, June 14, 2019 at 7:04:11 PM UTC-4, celticp...@gmail.com wrote:
> Dear Newsgroup ~
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Can anyone pin down who this John was?
http://www.british-history.ac.uk/vch/herts/vol3/pp3-12
http://www.british-history.ac.uk/vch/beds/vol3/pp76-80
http://www.british-history.ac.uk/vch/surrey/vol3/pp326-335
http://www.inquisitionspostmortem.ac.uk/view/inquisition/21-797/
http://www.medievalgenealogy.org.uk/fines/abstracts/CP_25_1_206_27.shtml
CP 25/1/206/27, number 68.
best regards, Monica
> Dear Newsgroup ~
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> RALPH DE CAMOYS, Knt., of Flockthorpe (in Hardingham), Norfolk, son and heir apparent. He married ELIZABETH CROYSER (or CROZIER), daughter of William Croyser (or Crozier), Knt., of Stoke D’Abernon, Surrey. They had no issue. SIR RALPH DE CAMOYS was living in 1365–6, and died before 12 Feb. 1370. His widow, Elizabeth, married (2nd) EDWARD DE KENDALE, Knt. [the younger], of Kendals (in Wrestlingworth) and Woodcroft (in Luton), Bedfordshire, Shalden, Hampshire, Maidencroft (in Ippollitts), Titburst (in Aldenham), and Wakeley, Hertfordshire, etc. SIR EDWARD DE KENDALE died 1375. His widow, Elizabeth, married (3rd) before 1 Feb. 1381 THOMAS [DE LA] BARRE, Knt., of Barre’s Court (in Holmer), Blakemere, Clehonger, Cobham (in Allensmore), Little Marcle, Meer Court (in Allensmore), Moccas, and Rotherwas (in Dinedor), and Tarrington, Herefordshire, Ayot St. Lawrence, Hertfordshire, Matherne, Monmouthshire, etc., Justice of the Peace for Herefordshire, 1384–5, Knight of the Shire for Herefordshire, 1386, 1402, 1416, Knight of the Shire for Hertfordshire, 1401, 1407, 1411, Justice of the Peace for Hertfordshire, 1401, 1406–7. They had one son, Thomas Barre, Knt. She is possibly the Elizabeth Camoys who was paid 50s. by Sir Edward Courtenay, Earl of Devon out of his manor of Waddesdon, Buckinghamshire in 1382–3. Thomas presented to the church of Hardingham, Norfolk in 1392. He and Elizabeth his wife presented to the church of Hardington, Norfolk in 1417. SIR THOMAS BARRE died 12 or 22 Dec. 1420. Elizabeth died shortly before 1 Jan. 1421.
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> References:
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> Blomefield, Essay towards a Top. Hist. of Norfolk 10 (1809): 221–227. Notes & Queries 6th Ser. 9 (1884): 27. VCH Hertford 2 (1908): 155–156. VCH Hampshire 4 (1911): 101–103. C.P. 2 (1912): 507 (sub Camoys). C.P.R. 1367–1370 (1913): 368. C.C.R. 1377–1381 (1914): 426, 506–507. C.C.R. 1419–1422 (1932): 180–181. C.F.R. 14 (1934): 335, 336, 390, 435. Devon & Cornwall Notes & Queries 35 (1983): 156. Cal. I.P.M. 21 (2002): 144–145, 272–273.
Of interest, Elizabeth's ipm makes it clear that her mother was Elizabeth d'Abernon (daughter of William D'Abernon) who married secondly a John Grey of Ruthin (d. 1391).
> RALPH DE CAMOYS, Knt., of Flockthorpe (in Hardingham), Norfolk, son and heir apparent. He married ELIZABETH CROYSER (or CROZIER), daughter of William Croyser (or Crozier), Knt., of Stoke D’Abernon, Surrey. They had no issue. SIR RALPH DE CAMOYS was living in 1365–6, and died before 12 Feb. 1370. His widow, Elizabeth, married (2nd) EDWARD DE KENDALE, Knt. [the younger], of Kendals (in Wrestlingworth) and Woodcroft (in Luton), Bedfordshire, Shalden, Hampshire, Maidencroft (in Ippollitts), Titburst (in Aldenham), and Wakeley, Hertfordshire, etc. SIR EDWARD DE KENDALE died 1375. His widow, Elizabeth, married (3rd) before 1 Feb. 1381 THOMAS [DE LA] BARRE, Knt., of Barre’s Court (in Holmer), Blakemere, Clehonger, Cobham (in Allensmore), Little Marcle, Meer Court (in Allensmore), Moccas, and Rotherwas (in Dinedor), and Tarrington, Herefordshire, Ayot St. Lawrence, Hertfordshire, Matherne, Monmouthshire, etc., Justice of the Peace for Herefordshire, 1384–5, Knight of the Shire for Herefordshire, 1386, 1402, 1416, Knight of the Shire for Hertfordshire, 1401, 1407, 1411, Justice of the Peace for Hertfordshire, 1401, 1406–7. They had one son, Thomas Barre, Knt. She is possibly the Elizabeth Camoys who was paid 50s. by Sir Edward Courtenay, Earl of Devon out of his manor of Waddesdon, Buckinghamshire in 1382–3. Thomas presented to the church of Hardingham, Norfolk in 1392. He and Elizabeth his wife presented to the church of Hardington, Norfolk in 1417. SIR THOMAS BARRE died 12 or 22 Dec. 1420. Elizabeth died shortly before 1 Jan. 1421.
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> References:
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> Blomefield, Essay towards a Top. Hist. of Norfolk 10 (1809): 221–227. Notes & Queries 6th Ser. 9 (1884): 27. VCH Hertford 2 (1908): 155–156. VCH Hampshire 4 (1911): 101–103. C.P. 2 (1912): 507 (sub Camoys). C.P.R. 1367–1370 (1913): 368. C.C.R. 1377–1381 (1914): 426, 506–507. C.C.R. 1419–1422 (1932): 180–181. C.F.R. 14 (1934): 335, 336, 390, 435. Devon & Cornwall Notes & Queries 35 (1983): 156. Cal. I.P.M. 21 (2002): 144–145, 272–273.
Can anyone pin down who this John was?
http://www.british-history.ac.uk/vch/herts/vol3/pp3-12
http://www.british-history.ac.uk/vch/beds/vol3/pp76-80
http://www.british-history.ac.uk/vch/surrey/vol3/pp326-335
http://www.inquisitionspostmortem.ac.uk/view/inquisition/21-797/
http://www.medievalgenealogy.org.uk/fines/abstracts/CP_25_1_206_27.shtml
CP 25/1/206/27, number 68.
best regards, Monica
celticp...@gmail.com
Jun 23, 2019, 3:41:04 PM6/23/19
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Dear Monica ~
I've copied below my current file account of John Grey, of Ruthin, Denbighshire, Wales, and his wife, Elizabeth d'Abernon, widow of William Croyser. In answer to your question, John Grey was a younger son of Reynold de Grey, Knt., 2nd Lord Grey of Ruthin [died 1388], by his wife, Eleanor le Strange. He appears to be the “John de Grey, brother of the lord de Grey” who was a legatee in the 1390 will of Ralph Basset, K.G., 3rd Lord Basset of Drayton.
John Grey and his wife, Elizabeth d'Abernon, presumably had a son, John Grey, who is probably the individual in the following record: In 1427 an assize was held to determine if John Grey, Esq., unjustly disseised Richard Tyrell, Esq., and Anne his wife regarding a tenement in Pavenham, Bedfordshire. The plaintiff, Anne, wife of Richard Tyrell, was the grand-daughter and heiress of Elizabeth d’Abernon, wife of William Croyser, Knt., and John Grey. Justices Itinerant, JUST 1/1539, image 478f; Date: 1427 (available at http://aalt.law.uh.edu/AALT4/JUST1/JUST1no1539/aJUST1no1539fronts/IMG_0478.htm).
I was under the impression that Elizabeth d'Abernon was the step-mother, not mother, of Elizabeth (Croyser) (Camoys) (Kendale) Barr. Can you quote the specific language in the IPM of Elizabeth Croyser which indicates that ELizabeth d'Abernon was her mother.
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
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1. JOHN GREY, of Ruthin, Denbighshire, Wales, and, in right of his wife, of Pavenham, Bedfordshire, Duxford, Cambridgeshire, Stoke d’Abernon, Eastwick (in Great Bookham), and Fetcham, Surrey, etc. younger son. He married before 8 July 1389 (date of fine) ELIZABETH D’ABERNON, widow of William Croyser (or Croiser), Knt. (died 1387), of Stoke d’Abernon, Surrey, Coroner of the Marshalsea, Clerk of the Market in the household of King Edward III, Steward to John of Gaunt, Duke of Lancaster, and daughter and heiress of William d’Abernon (died 1358), of Pavenham, Bedfordshire, Duxford, Cambridgeshire, Albury, Eastwick (in Great Bookham), Fetcham, and Stoke d’Abernon, Surrey, etc. They presumably had one son, John, Esq. In 1388 Elizabeth Croyser, lady of Stoke d’Abernon, Surrey owed Thomas Warner and John Hampton a debt of £500. The same year she conveyed the manor of Brettgrave (in Epsom), Surrey to Henry and Adam Bamme, goldsmiths of London. In 1389 Robert Lary, clerk, and John Aubyn, clerk, conveyed the manor of Pavenham, Bedfordshire to John and Elizabeth his wife and the heirs of their body. In 1390 John and Elizabeth conveyed the manors of Stoke d’Abernon, Eastwick (in Great Bookham), and Fetcham, Surrey and Duxford, Cambridgeshire to John Cobham, Esq., and three others. The same year John and Elizabeth his wife conveyed the reversion of the manors of Maidencroft (in Ippolitts) and Titburst (in Aldenham), Hertfordshire, and Wrestlingworth, Bedfordshire to Thomas de Percy, Knt., and others. He is presumably the “John de Grey, brother of the lord de Grey” who was a legatee in th 1390 will of Ralph Basset, K.G., 3rd Lord Basset of Drayton. JOHN DE GREY was living 1 July 1390 (date of fine), and died before 28 May 1391 (date of fine). In 1391 his widow, Elizabeth, conveyed the manors of Stoke d’Abernon, Fetcham, and Eastwick (in Great Bookham), Surrey, and Duxford, Cambridgeshire to John Cobham, Esq., and others. In 1392 her son William Croyser acted as a mainpernor on her behalf during the course of an action for debt brought against her by Roger Wangford, a London draper. In 1393 both mother and son joined with John Squiry in offering bonds worth £60 to two members of the Mercers’ Company, London. In July 1394 Elizabeth and her son, William Croyser, undertook to pay £200 to another city merchant named John Sandhurst, who successfully sued them for defaulting upon their agreement and was assigned the money from the manor of Albury, which Croyser then occupied. In October 1396 William Croyser specifically as Elizabeth’s son (and probably as her executor) received royal letters patent pardoning him two separate sentences of outlawry incurred for his failure to appear in court when being sued for further debts totalling £40.
References:
VCH Hertford 2 (1908): 149–161. VCH Surrey 3 (1911): 72–77, 284–290, 326–335, 457–462. VCH Bedford 3 (1912): 76–80. VCH Cambridge 6 (1978): 201–220. Roskell, House of Commons 1386–1421 2 (1992): 704–706 (biog. of William Croyser). National Archives, C 131/206/1; C 131/206/2; C 241/177/7; E 40/11372 (letters patent of Ralph Basset, lord of Drayton being his will concerning his lands, reversions, etc.) (available at http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk). National Archives, CP 25/1/6/70, #8; CP 25/1/44/62, #23; CP 25/1/289/56, #205; CP 25/1/289/56, #216; CP 25/1/289/56, #224 [see abstract of fines at http://www.medievalgenealogy.org.uk/index.html].
I've copied below my current file account of John Grey, of Ruthin, Denbighshire, Wales, and his wife, Elizabeth d'Abernon, widow of William Croyser. In answer to your question, John Grey was a younger son of Reynold de Grey, Knt., 2nd Lord Grey of Ruthin [died 1388], by his wife, Eleanor le Strange. He appears to be the “John de Grey, brother of the lord de Grey” who was a legatee in the 1390 will of Ralph Basset, K.G., 3rd Lord Basset of Drayton.
John Grey and his wife, Elizabeth d'Abernon, presumably had a son, John Grey, who is probably the individual in the following record: In 1427 an assize was held to determine if John Grey, Esq., unjustly disseised Richard Tyrell, Esq., and Anne his wife regarding a tenement in Pavenham, Bedfordshire. The plaintiff, Anne, wife of Richard Tyrell, was the grand-daughter and heiress of Elizabeth d’Abernon, wife of William Croyser, Knt., and John Grey. Justices Itinerant, JUST 1/1539, image 478f; Date: 1427 (available at http://aalt.law.uh.edu/AALT4/JUST1/JUST1no1539/aJUST1no1539fronts/IMG_0478.htm).
I was under the impression that Elizabeth d'Abernon was the step-mother, not mother, of Elizabeth (Croyser) (Camoys) (Kendale) Barr. Can you quote the specific language in the IPM of Elizabeth Croyser which indicates that ELizabeth d'Abernon was her mother.
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
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References:
VCH Hertford 2 (1908): 149–161. VCH Surrey 3 (1911): 72–77, 284–290, 326–335, 457–462. VCH Bedford 3 (1912): 76–80. VCH Cambridge 6 (1978): 201–220. Roskell, House of Commons 1386–1421 2 (1992): 704–706 (biog. of William Croyser). National Archives, C 131/206/1; C 131/206/2; C 241/177/7; E 40/11372 (letters patent of Ralph Basset, lord of Drayton being his will concerning his lands, reversions, etc.) (available at http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk). National Archives, CP 25/1/6/70, #8; CP 25/1/44/62, #23; CP 25/1/289/56, #205; CP 25/1/289/56, #216; CP 25/1/289/56, #224 [see abstract of fines at http://www.medievalgenealogy.org.uk/index.html].
monica kanellis
Jul 9, 2019, 8:59:11 AM7/9/19
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I'm afraid I'm not very good with this format. I seem to have replied to the wrong place and the notification got lost in spam. Not sure this is going in right place either, so please bear with me.
Anyway, wanted to say thanks, Douglas, very helpful as always, and I'm sorry I seemed to drop off the map again.
One thing, though, Ann Tyrrell, was instead likely
the Anne Croyser who was a known dau. of Will, son of William and Elizabeth
d'Abernon. She appears to have married Sir Henry Norbury, and Sir Ingelram
Bruyn as well as Richard Tyrrell. Will dig around to see what sources I can
find for the marriages, I don't seem to have much noted in my tree other
than:
Lady Anna Norbury (1464) 'Hic jacet dna Anna Norbury nup ux Henrici Norbury milit/ ac filia Willi Croyser qu' dam dni hi loci que obiit XII die II Octobr anno dni MCCCCIXIII cui ai'e ppciet due ame.' Note the four sons and four daughters in the folds of her skirt.
http://www.churchmonumentssociety.org/Surrey.html
underage in 1415/16
“Thomas and Elizabeth called to warranty Henry Beauford, Earl of Somerset, son and heir of John Beauford, late Earl of Somerset, who was under age and in ward to the king.
The suit came on again at Trinity term 4 H. 5, m. 112, when the plaintiffs sued Elizabeth as a feme sole, and she called to warranty Ann Croyser, kinswoman and heir of William Croyser, Kt., viz., daughter of William, son of William Croyser, Kt. Anne was under age.”
Pedigrees from the Plea Rolls, p. 89
heiress of Stoke Abignon and Fetcham
Her mother was named Edith, but I don't have a surname for her
mentioned in will of William, Bishop of Winchester, 1404, as “Edithe, the wife of William Croyser, my cousin”
Testamenta Vetusta: Being Illustrations from Wills, of Manners ..., Volume 2
By Nicholas Harris Nicolas, p. 76
EDITH WIDOW OF WILLIAM CROYSER, ESQUIRE
80 Writ ‡ 24 May 1418. [Wymbyssh]. Teste John, duke of Bedford.
Cambridgeshire. Inquisition. Caxton. 5 Dec. [Hethe].
Jurors: John Tryp ’; John Crudde senior ; John Crudde junior ; Reginald Dalygod ; John Androwe ; William Syre ; William Honfray ; William Page ; William Hirne ; John Alayne ; Thomas Attewode ; and Richard Alayne senior .
She held nothing in Cambridgeshire.
She died on 27 April last. Anne her daughter and heir is aged 14 years and more.
http://www.inquisitionspostmortem.ac.uk/view/inquisition/21-080/81
Edith was one of godmothers of Margery Berners dau. of Sir Richard Berners and Phillipa Dalyngrigge
Reference:
C 138/32/30
Description:
Croyser, Edith, who was wife of William, esq: Surrey
Date:
6 Hen V [1418-19]
Held by:
The National Archives, Kew
Legal status:
Public Record(s)
Closure status:
Open Document, Open Description
Her father was William Croyser, Elizabeth D'Abernon's son by her first husband, also William.
Reference:
C 131/44/7
Description:
Debtor: Elizabeth Croyser, widow, of Surrey, now deceased, and William Croyser, her son.
Creditor: John Sandhurst, citizen and chandler of London [deceased].
Amount: £200.
Before whom: Adam Carlisle, Mayor of the Staple of Westminster.
When taken: 10/07/1392
First term: 25/12/1392
Last term: 25/12/1392
Writ to: Sheriff of Surrey
Sent by: Chancery.
Endorsement: William Croyser was not found in the bailiwick. The extent appears in the inquisition.
Note:
Date given for return to Chancery: 11/04/1395. The executors of John Sandhurst are Thomas Wight of London, grocer, and Cecily, his wife, John Eston, draper, and Gilbert Aghton, fishmonger. M.2: Inquisition made at Guildford, Wed. after 31/03/1395 before Edward St John, knight, then Sheriff of Surrey. William Croyser has no goods or chattels in the bailiwick. Elizabeth Croyser had on the day of the recognisance and afterwards the manor of Aldebury in Surrey which is worth £28 nett, from which Elizabeth pays to John Cobham 100s. a year for his life. M.3: Inquisition made at Bookham on Sat. 01/05/1395 before Edward St John, knight, Sheriff of Surrey. William, the son of Elizabeth Croyser had on the day of the recognisance and afterwards, 40 acres of land in the parish of Bookham called Fryeland worth 16s. a year. Dorse: Memorandum that 02/07/1395 the lands were delivered to the executors.
Date:
1395 Feb 24
Held by:
The National Archives, Kew
Legal status:
Public Record
Language:
English
WILLIAM CROSER, ESQUIRE
344
Writ 20 Jan. 1416.
SURREY. Inquisition. Guildford 21 March
Jointly with Edith his wife who survives him he held to them and the heirs of their bodies with remainder to his right heirs: Stoke d’Abernon, the manor and advowson of Edmund earl of March, by the grant of William Norton and William Amondysham, clerks, annual value £12 3s.4d. Albury, the manor and advowson, of the same earl, by the grant of John Melton, clerk, John Dene, Thomas Blake, clerk, and Richard Elys, annual value £15. Fetcham, the manor and advowson, 3 parts of the same earl of the honor of Clare by knight service, and the 4th part of Beatrice countess of Arundel, by the grant of John Bremmesgrave, clerk, Nicholas Slefeld, John Bonet and John Asshehurst, annual value £11. He died on 9 Dec. last. Anne his daughter and heir is aged 9 years and more.
C 138/12, no. 37
http://www.history.ac.uk/cipm-20-part-iii
1405-6
549
Therfield (court) William Croyser and his wife, Katerina: one tenement and a half-virgate of servile land once held by Maurice Bode, together with one cote once held by Robert Wattes, half a virgate once held by John Colyn, and all parcels of demesne land previously held by Maurice Bode and the fifth part of a half-virgate once held by John Waryn, for life, rendering annually all services and customs owed therein and as previously rendered by Bode. William will rebuild the property at his own expense, except that he will receive from the lord eight marks from the rent once from Peter Brancastre, and 54s10d.ob. for repairs, through the hands of the aforesaid Maurice. Further, the land will be well maured, fallowed and reploughed by Maurice; William wil receive from the lord lumber for the repairs, as do certain of his peers; he will ave an allowance of his rent at the previous feast of St. Andrew; and he will also have 20s. G.: excused, because of repairs.
1409-1410
805
Therfield (same leet) Katerina, widow of William Croyser: nine and a half acres at Branncestre once held by Thomas Malt, for life, rendering annually 7s8d. in equal portions at the customary times. G.:12d.
The Liber Gersumarum of Ramsey Abbey: A Calendar and Index of B. L. Harley ...
By Edwin Brezette DeWindt
Debtor: William Croyser, esquire, of Surrey.
Creditor: Nicholas Sclyfeld, John Bromsgrove, clerk, John Ashurst, and John Bonet, esquires.
Amount: £500.
Before whom: Adam Carlisle, Mayor of the Staple of Westminster.
When taken: 26/06/1394
First term: 29/09/1394
Last term: 29/09/1394
Writ to: Sheriff of [London, Surrey]
Sent by: William Brampton, Mayor of the Staple of Westminster.
Endorsement: London' Surr' Coram d'no Reg' in Cancellar' sua in Octab' s'ti Martini.
Date:
1399 Oct 28
Held by:
The National Archives, Kew
Legal status:
Public Record(s)
Language:
Latin
Reference:
C 241/190/89
Description:
Debtor: William Croyser, esquire, of Surrey.
Creditor: John W....., citizen of London.
Amount: £10.
Before whom: William Brampton, Mayor of the Staple of Westminster.
When taken: 08/11/1399
First term: 01/11/1400
Last term: 01/11/1400
Writ to: Sheriff of [Surrey]
Sent by: William Brampton, Mayor of the Staple of Westminster.
Endorsement: Surr' Coram d'no Rege in Cancellar' sua in Crastino concepc'o'is be Marie.
Date:
1400 Nov 21
Held by:
The National Archives, Kew
Reference:
E 326/2651
Description:
Grant by William Croyser, esquire, of Stoke Daubernon co. Surrey and Edith his wife, to Adam Symond of the same and Alice his wife, of a tenement called 'Mangewelle' in Okshete (Ockshot), with lands in 'Le Estfeld', Ciaycroft, and Mondeneslond: [Surrey.]
Date:
Feast of the Annunciation,11 Henry IV.
Held by:
The National Archives, Kew
Legal status:
Public Record(s)
Closure status:
Open Document, Open Description
btw, I'm interested in the connections here of St. John, Dalyngrigge and Slyfield given that Nicholas Slyfield's son married the daughter of Sir Edward St. John whose identity has still not been quite sorted.
best Monica
Anyway, wanted to say thanks, Douglas, very helpful as always, and I'm sorry I seemed to drop off the map again.
One thing, though, Ann Tyrrell, was instead likely
the Anne Croyser who was a known dau. of Will, son of William and Elizabeth
d'Abernon. She appears to have married Sir Henry Norbury, and Sir Ingelram
Bruyn as well as Richard Tyrrell. Will dig around to see what sources I can
find for the marriages, I don't seem to have much noted in my tree other
than:
Lady Anna Norbury (1464) 'Hic jacet dna Anna Norbury nup ux Henrici Norbury milit/ ac filia Willi Croyser qu' dam dni hi loci que obiit XII die II Octobr anno dni MCCCCIXIII cui ai'e ppciet due ame.' Note the four sons and four daughters in the folds of her skirt.
http://www.churchmonumentssociety.org/Surrey.html
underage in 1415/16
“Thomas and Elizabeth called to warranty Henry Beauford, Earl of Somerset, son and heir of John Beauford, late Earl of Somerset, who was under age and in ward to the king.
The suit came on again at Trinity term 4 H. 5, m. 112, when the plaintiffs sued Elizabeth as a feme sole, and she called to warranty Ann Croyser, kinswoman and heir of William Croyser, Kt., viz., daughter of William, son of William Croyser, Kt. Anne was under age.”
Pedigrees from the Plea Rolls, p. 89
heiress of Stoke Abignon and Fetcham
Her mother was named Edith, but I don't have a surname for her
mentioned in will of William, Bishop of Winchester, 1404, as “Edithe, the wife of William Croyser, my cousin”
Testamenta Vetusta: Being Illustrations from Wills, of Manners ..., Volume 2
By Nicholas Harris Nicolas, p. 76
EDITH WIDOW OF WILLIAM CROYSER, ESQUIRE
80 Writ ‡ 24 May 1418. [Wymbyssh]. Teste John, duke of Bedford.
Cambridgeshire. Inquisition. Caxton. 5 Dec. [Hethe].
Jurors: John Tryp ’; John Crudde senior ; John Crudde junior ; Reginald Dalygod ; John Androwe ; William Syre ; William Honfray ; William Page ; William Hirne ; John Alayne ; Thomas Attewode ; and Richard Alayne senior .
She held nothing in Cambridgeshire.
She died on 27 April last. Anne her daughter and heir is aged 14 years and more.
http://www.inquisitionspostmortem.ac.uk/view/inquisition/21-080/81
Edith was one of godmothers of Margery Berners dau. of Sir Richard Berners and Phillipa Dalyngrigge
Reference:
C 138/32/30
Description:
Croyser, Edith, who was wife of William, esq: Surrey
Date:
6 Hen V [1418-19]
Held by:
The National Archives, Kew
Legal status:
Public Record(s)
Closure status:
Open Document, Open Description
Her father was William Croyser, Elizabeth D'Abernon's son by her first husband, also William.
Reference:
C 131/44/7
Description:
Debtor: Elizabeth Croyser, widow, of Surrey, now deceased, and William Croyser, her son.
Creditor: John Sandhurst, citizen and chandler of London [deceased].
Amount: £200.
Before whom: Adam Carlisle, Mayor of the Staple of Westminster.
When taken: 10/07/1392
First term: 25/12/1392
Last term: 25/12/1392
Writ to: Sheriff of Surrey
Sent by: Chancery.
Endorsement: William Croyser was not found in the bailiwick. The extent appears in the inquisition.
Note:
Date given for return to Chancery: 11/04/1395. The executors of John Sandhurst are Thomas Wight of London, grocer, and Cecily, his wife, John Eston, draper, and Gilbert Aghton, fishmonger. M.2: Inquisition made at Guildford, Wed. after 31/03/1395 before Edward St John, knight, then Sheriff of Surrey. William Croyser has no goods or chattels in the bailiwick. Elizabeth Croyser had on the day of the recognisance and afterwards the manor of Aldebury in Surrey which is worth £28 nett, from which Elizabeth pays to John Cobham 100s. a year for his life. M.3: Inquisition made at Bookham on Sat. 01/05/1395 before Edward St John, knight, Sheriff of Surrey. William, the son of Elizabeth Croyser had on the day of the recognisance and afterwards, 40 acres of land in the parish of Bookham called Fryeland worth 16s. a year. Dorse: Memorandum that 02/07/1395 the lands were delivered to the executors.
Date:
1395 Feb 24
Held by:
The National Archives, Kew
Legal status:
Public Record
Language:
English
WILLIAM CROSER, ESQUIRE
344
Writ 20 Jan. 1416.
SURREY. Inquisition. Guildford 21 March
Jointly with Edith his wife who survives him he held to them and the heirs of their bodies with remainder to his right heirs: Stoke d’Abernon, the manor and advowson of Edmund earl of March, by the grant of William Norton and William Amondysham, clerks, annual value £12 3s.4d. Albury, the manor and advowson, of the same earl, by the grant of John Melton, clerk, John Dene, Thomas Blake, clerk, and Richard Elys, annual value £15. Fetcham, the manor and advowson, 3 parts of the same earl of the honor of Clare by knight service, and the 4th part of Beatrice countess of Arundel, by the grant of John Bremmesgrave, clerk, Nicholas Slefeld, John Bonet and John Asshehurst, annual value £11. He died on 9 Dec. last. Anne his daughter and heir is aged 9 years and more.
C 138/12, no. 37
http://www.history.ac.uk/cipm-20-part-iii
1405-6
549
Therfield (court) William Croyser and his wife, Katerina: one tenement and a half-virgate of servile land once held by Maurice Bode, together with one cote once held by Robert Wattes, half a virgate once held by John Colyn, and all parcels of demesne land previously held by Maurice Bode and the fifth part of a half-virgate once held by John Waryn, for life, rendering annually all services and customs owed therein and as previously rendered by Bode. William will rebuild the property at his own expense, except that he will receive from the lord eight marks from the rent once from Peter Brancastre, and 54s10d.ob. for repairs, through the hands of the aforesaid Maurice. Further, the land will be well maured, fallowed and reploughed by Maurice; William wil receive from the lord lumber for the repairs, as do certain of his peers; he will ave an allowance of his rent at the previous feast of St. Andrew; and he will also have 20s. G.: excused, because of repairs.
1409-1410
805
Therfield (same leet) Katerina, widow of William Croyser: nine and a half acres at Branncestre once held by Thomas Malt, for life, rendering annually 7s8d. in equal portions at the customary times. G.:12d.
The Liber Gersumarum of Ramsey Abbey: A Calendar and Index of B. L. Harley ...
By Edwin Brezette DeWindt
Debtor: William Croyser, esquire, of Surrey.
Creditor: Nicholas Sclyfeld, John Bromsgrove, clerk, John Ashurst, and John Bonet, esquires.
Amount: £500.
Before whom: Adam Carlisle, Mayor of the Staple of Westminster.
When taken: 26/06/1394
First term: 29/09/1394
Last term: 29/09/1394
Writ to: Sheriff of [London, Surrey]
Sent by: William Brampton, Mayor of the Staple of Westminster.
Endorsement: London' Surr' Coram d'no Reg' in Cancellar' sua in Octab' s'ti Martini.
Date:
1399 Oct 28
Held by:
The National Archives, Kew
Legal status:
Public Record(s)
Language:
Latin
Reference:
C 241/190/89
Description:
Debtor: William Croyser, esquire, of Surrey.
Creditor: John W....., citizen of London.
Amount: £10.
Before whom: William Brampton, Mayor of the Staple of Westminster.
When taken: 08/11/1399
First term: 01/11/1400
Last term: 01/11/1400
Writ to: Sheriff of [Surrey]
Sent by: William Brampton, Mayor of the Staple of Westminster.
Endorsement: Surr' Coram d'no Rege in Cancellar' sua in Crastino concepc'o'is be Marie.
Date:
1400 Nov 21
Held by:
The National Archives, Kew
Reference:
E 326/2651
Description:
Grant by William Croyser, esquire, of Stoke Daubernon co. Surrey and Edith his wife, to Adam Symond of the same and Alice his wife, of a tenement called 'Mangewelle' in Okshete (Ockshot), with lands in 'Le Estfeld', Ciaycroft, and Mondeneslond: [Surrey.]
Date:
Feast of the Annunciation,11 Henry IV.
Held by:
The National Archives, Kew
Legal status:
Public Record(s)
Closure status:
Open Document, Open Description
btw, I'm interested in the connections here of St. John, Dalyngrigge and Slyfield given that Nicholas Slyfield's son married the daughter of Sir Edward St. John whose identity has still not been quite sorted.
best Monica
Adrian Channing
Jul 10, 2019, 6:54:20 PM7/10/19
to
(Complete Peerage, Vol II, p 357 note c)
So Ingram, who d.s.p. before 5 Dec 1418, must be by a previous marriage of his father Maurice Bruyn and have married Anne Croyser a daughter of his subsequnet step mother.
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