Illegitimate Children of King James V of Scotland???
Sam Sloan
I am descended from Mary Stuart, a woman who was Scot-Irish, who was
born in Ireland in 1729 and who married Robert Coulter and came to
South Carolina. Their daughter, Margaret Coulter (1755-1796), married
Andrew Graham (1753-1821) who is my great-great-great-grandfather.
http://www.anusha.com/pafg32.htm#908
Mary Stuart is said to have descended from an illegitimate son of King
James of Scotland. I have been asking which King James. Nobody seemed
to know.
I think I have the answer. According to a website, King James V
(1512-1542) had eight illegitimate children. This undoubtedly is the
person.
I have been trying to find out who is the mother or mothers of these
eight illegitimate children. Does anybody know anything about this?
Sam Sloan
http://www.royal-stuarts.org/james_5.htm
James V of Scotland
Born 10 April 1512
Father James IV of Scotland
Mother Margaret Tudor
Reigned 1513-1542
Died 14 December 1542
Married Magdelene of France
Marie d'Guise of Lorraine
Legitimate Children
James, Duke of Rothesay
Robert
Mary
Illegitimate Children
James, Abbot of Kelso
James, Earl of Moray
Robert, Earl of Orkney
John
Adam, Prior to Charter House of Perth
Jean
Robert, Prior of Whithorn
Margaret
Lesley Robertson
"Sam Sloan" <sl...@ishipress.com> wrote in message
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> Mary Stuart is said to have descended from an illegitimate son of King
> James of Scotland. I have been asking which King James. Nobody seemed
> to know.
>
> I think I have the answer. According to a website, King James V
> (1512-1542) had eight illegitimate children. This undoubtedly is the
> person.
>
http://www.dcs.hull.ac.uk/public/genealogy/royal/
HOWEVER, I think that you must take this story with a large pinch of salt -
not only is Clan Stuart/Stewart large, but Mary is one of the commonest
names for Stuart women. If you look at the children involved, you will see
that the males were all either clerics (and at that time this meant Roman
Catholic, and thus unmarried) or founders of major titled houses (the best
known being the Earl of Moray, Regent of Scotland). In those days,
illegitimate children were usually looked after very well and their families
would be known.
Be careful of what you read on the web - 3/4 of the genealogy involves LARGE
amounts of wishful thinking. Only trust such claims when the references are
given and you can check the evidence yourself. When the claim is as vague as
this, be very suspicious.
Lesley Robertson
William Addams Reitwiesner
>Illegitimate Children of King James V of Scotland???
>
>I am descended from Mary Stuart, a woman who was Scot-Irish, who was
>born in Ireland in 1729 and who married Robert Coulter and came to
>South Carolina. Their daughter, Margaret Coulter (1755-1796), married
>Andrew Graham (1753-1821) who is my great-great-great-grandfather.
>
>http://www.anusha.com/pafg32.htm#908
>
>Mary Stuart is said to have descended from an illegitimate son of King
>James of Scotland. I have been asking which King James. Nobody seemed
>to know.
You can find all of the bastards of all of the Scottish Kings in the
article on "The Kings of Scotland", which appeared in volume I [1904] of
*The Scots Peerage*, edited by Sir James Balfour Paul. The article is on
pp. 1-36.
>I think I have the answer. According to a website, King James V
>(1512-1542) had eight illegitimate children. This undoubtedly is the
>person.
>
>I have been trying to find out who is the mother or mothers of these
>eight illegitimate children. Does anybody know anything about this?
See the source cited above, pp. 23-25. There were nine, not eight,
illegitimate children of James V. See below.
>Sam Sloan
>
>http://www.royal-stuarts.org/james_5.htm
>
>James V of Scotland
>
>Born 10 April 1512
>Father James IV of Scotland
>Mother Margaret Tudor
>Reigned 1513-1542
>Died 14 December 1542
>Married Magdelene of France
> Marie d'Guise of Lorraine
>Legitimate Children
> James, Duke of Rothesay
> Robert
> Mary
>Illegitimate Children
> James, Abbot of Kelso
James Stewart "Senior", Commendator of the Abbeys of Melrose and Kelso, was
a son of Elizabeth Shaw, daughter of Shaw of Sauchie. James died without
issue on 25 September 1557.
> James, Earl of Moray
He (James "secundus") was a son of Margaret Erskine, daughter of John,
fourth Lord Erskine.
> Robert, Earl of Orkney
His mother was Euphemia Elphinstone, daughter of Alexander, first Lord
Elphinstone.
> John
John was Prior of Coldingham, and was styled "Lord Darnley". His mother
was Elizabeth, daughter of Sir John Carmichael.
> Adam, Prior to Charter House of Perth
His mother was Elizabeth Stewart, daughter of John, third Earl of Lennox.
> Jean
Jean married the Earl of Argyll, and was divorced from him and later
legitimated. She had no children. Her mother was Elizabeth Bethune, of
the Bethunes of Creich, but Elizabeth's precise location in that family is
unknown. She may have been a daughter of David Bethune, the Treasurer, or
his granddaughter, daughter of his son John.
> Robert, Prior of Whithorn
He's described as a brother of the Earl of Orkney (see above), but his
mother is not specifically named.
> Margaret
The only mention of her was when she was proposed as a bride for the Master
of Home. He married someone else, and Margaret disappears from the
records. Her mother is not named.
There was another illegitimate son, which your source ignores. By
Christina Barclay, James V had a son "James tertius".
William Addams Reitwiesner
wr...@erols.com
Sam Sloan
Thank you so much for your detailed answer. I had no idea what I was
getting into.
Too bad James V only lived 30 years. He had children by nine different
women. Just imagine what the Royal Family would be like had he lived
longer.
Sam Sloan
Sam Sloan
informed that King James V of Scotland had illegitimate children by
nine different women!!!
He was also legally married twice and had three children by his wives.
I have just posted all this on my web site at
http://www.ishipress.com/royalfam/pafg13.htm#938
I have a problem:
On September 27 my account was "migrated" to another server.
Since then I have received almost no e-mail and none at all from the
e-mail lists that I subscribe to. I normally receive more than 100
e-mails per day.
Is my e-mail address is working?
Sam Sloan
C. S. De Blues
Catholic, and thus unmarried)..." What makes you think that clerics
don't fool around? There used to be a running joke about one of my
ancestors being "Descended from a long line of priests"
ZsaZsa
> In response to the question I asked early this morning, I have been
> informed that King James V of Scotland had illegitimate children by
> nine different women!!!
>
> He was also legally married twice and had three children by his wives.
>
Sam
understanding that she was the only legitimate child of King James V and
Marie de guise' who lived.
Lesley Robertson <l.a.ro...@tnw.tudelft.nl> wrote in message
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steven smyrl
replied "Dahlink, do you mean mine or other women's?".
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Sam Sloan
I do not mind answering this question.
I have 7.777 children, from five different mothers.
Sam Sloan
StanB
"Sam Sloan" <sl...@ishipress.com> wrote in message
> In response to the question I asked early this morning, I have been
> informed that King James V of Scotland had illegitimate children by
> nine different women!!!
Who gives two shits. Why, oh why, must you post this to r.g.c.p. ?
StanB
Lesley Robertson
"C. S. De Blues" <Wer...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> "that the males were all either clerics (and at that time this meant
> Roman
> Catholic, and thus unmarried)..." What makes you think that clerics
> don't fool around? There used to be a running joke about one of my
> ancestors being "Descended from a long line of priests"
I didn't say they wouldn't - but the kids would have carried the name of the
mother, and the question is one of descent of someone claiming to be a royal
Stuart.
Lesley Robertson
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cross-posted to all and sundry. It attracts loonies who have
NO INTEREST in medieval genealogy. Could everyone here
who is even vaguely interested in keeping this newsgroup
slightly on-topic (say, either about things medieval or things
genealogical, both is probably too much to ask for) keep
this is in mind and remove the crossposts when replying. It
would, of course, also be useful if cross-posted messages
never started but that is clearly outside the realms of
possibility.
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