John de Grey, 2nd Lord Grey of Wilton (died 1323) and his family
Douglas Richardson
The following two abstracts below pertain to the well known baronial
Grey family of Wilton. These records are taken from the recently
released work, The Registers of Bishop Henry Burghersh, 1320-1342,
edited by Nicholas Bennett (Lincoln Record Soc. 90) (2003). They
concern the establishment in 1320 of a chantry in the chapel at
Thurleigh, Bedfordshire for the souls of various members of the Grey
family, including John de Grey, 2nd Lord Grey of Wilton (died 1323);
his wife, Maud [de Verdun]; his parents, Reynold de Grey, 1st Lord Grey
of Wilton, and his wife, Maud [de Longchamp]; and his grandfather, John
de Grey.
For interest's sake, I've listed below the names of the numerous 17th
Century New World colonists who descend from John de Grey, 2nd Lord
Grey of Wilton (died 1323), and his wife, Maud de Verdun.
Robert Abell, William Asfordby, Christopher Batt, Essex Beville,
William Bladen, George & Nehemiah Blakiston, Elizabeth Bosvile, Mary
Bourchier, George & Robert Brent, Charles Calvert, Jeremy Clarke,
Matthew Clarkson, St. Leger Codd, Humphrey Davie, Frances, Jane &
Katherine Deighton, Edward Digges, Thomas Dudley, William Farrer,
Muriel Gurdon, Elizabeth & John Harleston, Warham Horsmanden, Anne
Humphrey, Mary Launce, Nathaniel Littleton, Percival Lowell, Simon
Lynde, Anne, Elizabeth, & John Mansfield, Anne Mauleverer, Richard
More, John Nelson, Philip & Thomas Nelson, Thomas Owsley, John
Oxenbridge, Richard Parker, Herbert Pelham, Robert Peyton, William &
Elizabeth Pole, Edward Raynsford, George Reade, William Rodney,
Katherine Saint Leger, Richard Saltonstall, William Skepper, Diana &
Grey Skipwith, Mary Johanna Somerset, John Stockman, Samuel & William
Torrey, Olive Welby, John West, Thomas Wingfield, George Yate.
Further particulars regarding the Grey family of Wilton, including a
review of the evidence for the identification of John de Grey's wife,
Maud de Verdun, can be found in my two books, Plantagenet Ancestry
(2004) and Magna Carta Ancestry (2005).
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
Website: www.royalancestry.net
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Document #1:
"1990. [fo 294r] Ordination, by Hugh prior and convent of Caldwell and
by John de Grey, lord of Dyffryn Clwyd, and Roger his son, of a chantry
in the chapel of the said John in his manor of Thurleigh, for the souls
of the said John, Matilda his wife, John his grandfather, Reginald his
father and Matilda his mother. The chantry is to be served by a canon
of the said priory or by another suitable chaplain. The priory is to
provide a missal, bread and wine, and candles; the said John and Roger
are to maintain the chapel, vestments, altar cloths, chalice and other
ornaments. John and Roger are also to provide for the chaplain a
chamber, where he can keep his harness while he is celebrating and
where he may sleep if by reason of sudden infirmity or bad weather he
needs to remain overnight, together with stabling and fodder for his
horse. The priory is bound by all its lands in its manors of Colesden
and Bromham, and John and Roger are bound in the sum of 50 marks, to
observe the terms of this ordination. Witnesses: William Inge kt;
Henry Spigurnel kt.; John de Pabenham kt.; John Cunquest kt.; John de
Morteyn kt.; Ralph son of Ralph son of Richard kt.; John Morice kt.;
Stephen le Creuker; William Bretevill; Henry de Legh; Robert de
Flaumvill; Roger le Mareschal; John son of William de Legh; Thomas de
Mordone, and others. Caldwell, 9 June 1320. Ratified by the bishop at
Meppershall, 1 July 1323 [Reference: The Registers of Bishop Henry
Burghersh, 1320-1342, edited by Nicholas Bennett (Lincoln Record Soc.
90) (2003): 103-104].
Document #2:
"1993. Ordination, by Hugh prior and convent of Caldwell, of a chantry
at altar of St. Peter in conventual church of Caldwell, for the souls
of Roger de Cauz. of John father of Reginald de Grey, of the said
Reginald de Grey and Matilda his wife, and of John de Grey their son
and Matilda his wife. The chantry is to be served by a canon of the
priory to by some other suitable chaplain, who is to celebrate mass on
Wednesday of each week for the souls aforesaid. The priory is bound in
its manor called Hermeter in Milton Ernest to observe the terms of this
ordination. Witnesses: Henry Spygurnel kt.; John Conquest kt.; Ralph
son of Ralph son of Richard kt.; Henry de la Legh; Stephen Creuker;
William Passelewe de Bromham; William de Brettevill, and others.
Caldwell, 9 June 1320. Ratified by the bishop at Meppershall, 1 July
1323." [Reference: The Registers of Bishop Henry Burghersh,
1320-1342, edited by Nicholas Bennett (Lincoln Record Soc. 90) (2003):
104].
Leo van de Pas
advertising his book.
Most people appeared indifferent, but there were more who disagreed with his
behaviour than those who approved.
Richardson in this message is showing the contempt he has for readers of
Gen-Med. I can only say, if there are people with feelings of contempt for
Richardson, is this so strange?Is he not asking for it?
Merilyn Pedrick
he's just a stubborn old duffer and nothing will change him. After all,
many of us have had a go at him over time, and it hasn't changed his
behaviour at all. Surely we all know by now that he has written some books,
and don't need to be constantly reminded of it. I'm reluctantly coming
round to the idea of a moderator.
Merilyn
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CED
Douglas Richardson wrote:
> Dear Newsgroup ~
>
> The following two abstracts below pertain to the well known baronial
> Grey family of Wilton. These records are taken from the recently
> released work, The Registers of Bishop Henry Burghersh, 1320-1342,
> edited by Nicholas Bennett (Lincoln Record Soc. 90) (2003). They
> concern the establishment in 1320 of a chantry in the chapel at
> Thurleigh, Bedfordshire for the souls of various members of the Grey
> family, including John de Grey, 2nd Lord Grey of Wilton (died 1323);
> his wife, Maud [de Verdun]; his parents, Reynold de Grey, 1st Lord Grey
> of Wilton, and his wife, Maud [de Longchamp]; and his grandfather, John
> de Grey.
>
If Richardson had stopped at this point, this would have an
interesting, worth while post; however, he continues with the sales
pitch: the list of ancestors who are in his book. If only he would
learn that the sales pitch is unnecessary. Most of us in this group
know, or have access to a list of, the gateway ancestors.
I could be wrong about its being a sales pitch. The pluggery could be
compulsive or a means of ego satisfication.
CED
Todd A. Farmerie
> Yes, it's quite a blatant sales-pitch, and a constant barrage. I imagine
> he's just a stubborn old duffer and nothing will change him. After all,
> many of us have had a go at him over time, and it hasn't changed his
> behaviour at all. Surely we all know by now that he has written some books,
> and don't need to be constantly reminded of it. I'm reluctantly coming
> round to the idea of a moderator.
Lest there be confusion, let me clarify this again.
soc.genealogy.medieval (through which Mr. Richardson posts) will not
become moderated - the powers that be on USENET will not allow it to
happen. If a moderated forum is to exist, it will be in addition to
this unmoderated one.
taf
Leo van de Pas
in fact is an insult to readers of Gen-Med. Readers who by now are not
aware that Douglas Richardson has books for sale must be very T-H-I-C-K and
does he think they are? Which is why he continues?
Leo
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From: "Merilyn Pedrick" <pedr...@ozemail.com.au>
To: <GEN-MED...@rootsweb.com>
ADRIANC...@aol.com
writes:
>>>>>
CD wrote;
If Richardson had stopped at this point, this would have an
interesting, worth while post; however, he continues with the sales
pitch: the list of ancestors who are in his book. If only he would
learn that the sales pitch is unnecessary. Most of us in this group
know, or have access to a list of, the gateway ancestors.
I could be wrong about its being a sales pitch. The pluggery could be
compulsive or a means of ego satisfication.
CED
<<<
Furthermore many of us are not the least bit interested in gateway ancestors
Adrian
Douglas Richardson
As a followup to my earlier post yesterday, I should mention that there
is another helpful charter issued by John de Grey, 2nd Lord Grey of
Wilton, which is found in Dugdale's Monasticon Anglicanum, 6 Pt. 3
(1830): 1345-1346. This charter is available for viewing online at
www.monasticmatrix.com. The charter is dated 1310, and it concerns the
foundation of the collegiate church at Ruthin, Denbighshire by John de
Grey. As with the Thurleigh documents, the Ruthin charter names John
de Grey's wife, Maud, and his parents, Reynold and Maud de Grey.
The authoritative Complete Peerage, 6 (1926): 173-174 (sub Grey) has
claimed on the basis of a flawed Grey visitation pedigree that John de
Grey, 2nd Lord Grey of Wilton, married (1st) Anne de Ferrers, and (2nd)
Maud Basset. Both wives appear to be fictitious. Rather, recent
research indicates that John de Grey's wife was actually Maud de Verdun
and that she was the mother of his two sons, Henry and Roger, and at
least one of his daughters, Joan. Given that only one wife Maud is
named in the 1310 charter and only one wife Maud is named in the 1320
Thurleigh documents, I believe it is safe to assume that John de Grey
had but one wife, Maud de Verdun.
Further discussion of the identity and parentage of John de Grey's
wife, Maud de Verdun, may be found in Douglas Richardson, Plantagenet
Ancestry (2004), pg. 764, and in Douglas Richardson, Magna Carta
Ancestry (2005), pp. 889-890.
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
Website: www.royalancestry.net
Douglas Richardson
Searching through the helpful online National Archives catalogue this
past week (http://www.catalogue.nationalarchives.gov.uk/search.asp), I
located yet another piece of evidence which suggests that John de Grey,
2nd Lord Grey of Wilton (died 1323), had one wife, Maud de Verdun, from
1276/7 through at least 1292/3. The item below comes from the Duchy of
Lancaster records. It shows that John de Grey and his wife, Maud, were
granted a release of land in Debden, Essex in 1292-3, in exchange for
other land there. Earlier research has indicated that John de Grey and
his wife, Maud, obtained their interest in Debden, Essex in 1276-1277
by grant of Maud's mother, Eleanor de Bohun, widow of John de Verdun
[Reference: Feet of Fines for Essex 2 (1913-1928): 13]. This
property was almost certainly Maud's maritagium, as it was settled on
John and Maud, and the heirs of Maud. Elsewhere, the historian,
Hagger, indicates that Debden, Essex had served as the maritagium of
Maud's mother, Eleanor de Bohun [Reference: Hagger, Fortunes of a
Norman Fam. (2001): 212].
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
Website: www.royalancestry.net
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Source: National Archives Catalogue
DL 25/1917
John de Grey and Maud his wife: Release, indented, of land in Debden in
exchange for other land there: Essex
Date: 21 Edward I [1292-3]
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of Wilton.
Regards
Michael
Liz Owen
Liz Owen, Verdun-sur-Garonne, SW FRance
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