CP Correction: The Lords Badlesmere and Northwood
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Hello All,
In the process of attempting to ascertain the ancestry of
Guncelin de Badlesmere (as well as the identity of his wife),
an issue was noted concerning the claimed descent of the Lords
Northwood from this family. Specifically, this is the
question as to the correct placement of Joan, wife of Sir John
de Northwode (d. 1319). While many associations have been
claimed, Joan is given usually as either a daughter or sister
of Guncelin de Badlesmere (d. bef 13 Apr 1301), including
CP (IX:755 and footnote).
One member of the Badlesmere family may provide the key to
this connection. In 'Knights of Edward I', we find one Sir
Ralph de Badlesmere, is mentioned in Kent in 1265, and was a
witness to a grant or confirmation in Essex, 12 July 1281
(Close Roll entry) [1]. In particular, with regard to the
death and heirs of Sir Ralph, the entry in 'Knights' further
states:
' His heirs are overlords at Shaldford, Ess., 14 May
1294 (Inq.). Mentioned as dead 24 Sep. 1296 (F.R.).
Gilb. de Clare, E. of Gloucester, had given to him for
life a mess., etc. at Esinton, Bucks. (Inq. 1 May
1307).' [2]
Shalford, Essex is a manor which (at least a moiety
thereof) is found in the possession of the Northwode family
subsequent to this: among the issue of Sir John de Northwode
and Joan de Badlesmere, we find a younger son Humphrey as
being 'of Shalford, Essex' and that this property continued
as a primary holding of this family.
It is possible that the reference to Sir Ralph's heirs
being 'overlords' at Shalford may actually refer to another
family (possibly the descendants of Guncelin de Badlesmere)
of whom Shalford was held; however, the chronology is
appropriate to support the theory that Joan de Badlesmere
was actually the daughter and heir of Sir Ralph.
As to Sir Ralph's placement in the Badlesmere family, he
evidently was either a member of a junior branch, or (more
likely) a younger brother of Guncelin de Badlesmere. He was
a contemporary of Guncelin's, and died with 7 years of
Guncelin. In the Camden Roll, the arms of 'Rauf de
Batelesmere', knight are recorded ca. 1280 as ' Ermine a
fess between two bars gemelles gules ' [3]. These arms
are virtually identical to those of Guncelin de Badlesmere
[whose arms are 'Argent...', not ermine]. The use of ermine
was used to difference the arms of a younger son in other
families (see prior SGM discussions re: Zouche of Harringworth
and of Lubbesthorpe).
The chart below sets out the conjectured relationships
of Sir Ralph de Badlesmere and of Joan, wife of Sir John de
Northwode. Any further comment, criticism or documentation
that bears on the above is welcome, as always.
Cheers,
John *
NOTES
[1] Knights of Edward I, ed. Rev. Charles Moor, D.D., F.S.A.
(Pubs. of the Harleian Society, 1929), vol. I (80 of
Harleian series), p. 32.
[2] Ibid.
[3] The Camden Roll, British Museum, Cotton Roll, 8. Painted,
with blazons for 185 of the 270 coats. dated c1280 [Source:
Gerard J Brault, Eight Thirteenth Century Rolls of Arms,
Pennsylvania State University Press, 1973]. Description
and images provided by Brian Timms:
http://www.briantimms.com/rolls/CamdenD3.html
The image and description of the arms of
Ralph de Badlesmere are given at D209.
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CONJECTURED Descent from NN de Badlesmere:
1 NN de Badlesmere
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possibly Giles de Badlesmere:
'... Giles de Badlesmere; who, in An. 1248 (32 Hen. 3.) was
slain (f) in a Skirmish betwixt the English and Welsh.'
(Dugdale, Baronage p. 57, citing ' Lel. coll, vol. I.
320 ' )[1]
Children: Guncelin (~1232-<1301)
Sir Ralph (-<1296) [conjectured]
Sir Peter [conjectured]
1.1 Guncelin de Badlesmere
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Birth: abt 1232
Death: bef 13 Apr 1301[2],[3]
of Badlesmere and Chilham Castle, Kent
Justice of Chester[2]
'Gokelin de Badelesmere ', witness to a quitclaim by Thomas
de Audelyme, lord of Audlyme, co. Chester in favor of Brother
Nicholas, prior of St. Thomas by Stafford, ca 1274-1282 [ PRO,
Audlyme -D038/626 ][4]
'Guncelyn de Batelsmere', knight
: his arms are recorded ca. 1280 as
' Argent a fess between two bars gemelles gules '
(Camden Roll D189[5])
'A concern with the valuation of newly conquered [Welsh] lands
came very early, for in August 1283 Guncelin de Badlesmere and
Peter de Lek, along with a Welsh friar, were engaged on this
task. [E 101/359/9]'[6]
Spouse: Joan (?)
Death: 1310
Children: Maud (->1305)
Bartholomew (<1275-1322)
1.1.1 Maud de Badlesmere
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Death: aft 2 Jan 1305[2]
Spouse: Robert de Burghersh
Death: bef 8 Oct 1306[2]
Father: Reynold de Burghersh
Children: Stephen (<1283-<1309)
Henry (-1340)
Bartholomew (-1355)
Robert
1.1.1.1 Stephen de Burghersh
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Birth: bef 8 Oct 1283[2]
Death: bef 22 Mar 1309[2]
Occ: Lord Burghersh
of Burghersh, Sussex, and Chiddingstone, Kent
2nd Lord Burghersh[2]
Spouse: Cecily
Children: Maud, m. Sir Thomas d'Aldon [2]
1.1.1.2 Henry de Burghersh
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Death: 2 Dec 1340[7]
Occ: Bishop of Lincoln 1320-1340
member of the King's Council [Edward III]
'principal architect of English foreign policy from this point
[15 April 1337] until his premature death at the end of
1340,....' The Hundred Years War, p. 193[7]
'HENRY BURGHERSH, Treasurer, and afterwards Chancellor, of
England; grandson [*] of Bartholomew de Badlesmere, the great
Baron of Leeds Castle, by whose influence he obtained his
bishopric. Not long before his death, which occurred at
Ghent, Bishop Burghersh had enclosed a park or deer chase,
at Tinghurst, and in order to do so effectually had seized
on certain lands held by some of his poorer neighbours. Their
imprecations on the Bishop were loud and deep; and Walsingham
asserts that after his death he appeared to one of his
friends, dressed in a short coat of Lincoln green, with a
horn slung round his neck, and carrying a bow and arrows.
As a punishment for his wrongs against the poor, he declared
that he had been made keeper of the chase at Tinghurst;
and that he was condemned to wander about it until the fences
should be again thrown down and the lands restored to their
former owners. The Canons of Lincoln accordingly, having been
duly informed of the Bishop's distress, proceeded to relieve
him in the way he had pointed out. Bishop Burghersh's tomb
remains at the end of the retro-choir. '[8]
* Bartholomew de Badlesmere was actually his maternal uncle.
1.1.1.3 Bartholomew de Burghersh
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Death: 3 Aug 1355, Dover Castle, Kent[2]
Burial: Grey Friars, London
Occ: Lord Burghersh
of Burghersh, Sussex and Chiddingstone, Kent
succeeded elder brother Stephen (d.s.p.m. 1309/10)
3rd Lord Burghersh
summoned to Parliament by writ from 25 Jan 1329/1330
fought at Crecy, 26 August 1346[2]
Chamberlain to King Edward III (serving as such, a negotiator
with the French at Calais, 1347)[7]
Constable of the Tower of London 1355 [2]
Chamberlain to King Edward III, and member of the truce
delegation at Calais, 28 July 1347[7]
Spouse: Elizabeth de Verdun
Birth: ca 1306[9]
Death: 1 May 1360[9]
Father: Sir Theobald de Verdun (1278-1316)
Mother: Maud de Mortimer (~1286-~1312)
Marr: bef 11 Jun 1320[2]
Children: Sir Bartholomew (?1323-1369)
1.1.1.4 Robert de Burghersh
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'King's clerk ', 1 Nov. 1306 (Knights V:163, citing P.R.)[3]
1.1.2 Bartholomew de Badlesmere
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Birth: bef 13 Apr 1275[10],[2],[3]
Death: 14 Apr 1322, Canterbury (executed)[9],[2]
Occ: Lord Badlesmere
of Badlesmere and Chilham Castle, Kent
' Bartholmieius Badelsmere ',
knight, serving with the army of King Edward I in Scotland
fought at the siege of Caerlaverock, July 1300
: his arms are recorded as
' Argent a fess between two bars gemelles gules a label
azure ' (Caerlaverock Roll K101[11])
* note: the arms were then differenced by 'a label azure',
as his father was then alive and he the surviving heir male.
Governor of Bristol Castle 1307; had grant of Castle and Manor
of Chilham, and the manors of Kingston and Lesnes, Kent 1309
[escheat to the crown at death of Alexander de Balliol]
Summoned to Parliament from 26 Oct 1309 to 15 May 1321 by writs
directed 'Bartholomeo de Badlesmere', whereby he may be held
to have become Lord Badlesmere[2].
Joined the Earl of Lancaster in rebellion, captured after
defeat at Boroughbridge 16 Mar 1321/2; attainted and executed
at Canterbury[2]
Spouse: Margaret de Clare
Birth: bef Apr 1286[12],[2]
Death: 1333[10],[2]
Father: Thomas de Clare (~1245-1287), of Inchiquin and Youghal
Mother: Juliane FitzMaurice (ca1260-<1300)
Marr: bef 30 Jun 1308[2]
Children: Margery (~1306-1363)
Maud (ca1310-1366)
Elizabeth (~1313-1355)
Giles (1314-1338)
Margaret (ca1315->1344)
1.1.2.1 Margery de Badlesmere
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Birth: abt 1306[10],[2]
Death: 18 Oct 1363[10]
eldest of daughters of Bartholomew, coheiress of brother
Giles, 2nd Lord Badlesmere (d. 1338)[2]
identified by Douglas Richardson as a second marriage (see
Alice de Ros, wife of Nicholas de Meinill)[13]
Spouse: William de Ros
Death: 3 Feb 1342[2]
Father: William de Ros (<1255-<1316)
Mother: Maud de Vaux (<1261-<1316)
Marr: bef 25 Nov 1326[9]
Children: Maud (-1388)
William (-<1352)
Thomas (1336-1384)
Elizabeth
1.1.2.2 Maud de Badlesmere[9]
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Birth: ca 1310[2]
Death: 1366[2]
2nd daughter, and coheiress of her brother Giles[2]
Spouse: John de Vere
Death: 24 Jan 1359[2]
Father: Alfonso de Vere (<1263-ca1329)
Mother: Joan Foliot
Children: Margaret (-1398)
Thomas (-1371)
NN
Aubrey (-1400)
1.1.2.3a Elizabeth de Badlesmere*
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Birth: abt 1313, Sussex[10],[2]
Death: 8 Jun 1355[10]
3rd daughter, and coheiress of Giles, Lord Badlesmere
m. 1stly Sir Edmund de Mortimer,
2ndly William de Bohun, Earl of Northampton
Spouse: William de Bohun
Death: 1360[14]
Father: Humphrey de Bohun (<1276-1321)
Mother: Elizabeth of England (1282-1316)
Marr: abt 1335
Children: Humphrey (1342-1372)
Elizabeth
Other Spouses Sir Edmund de Mortimer
1.1.2.3b Elizabeth de Badlesmere* (See above)
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Spouse: Sir Edmund de Mortimer
Birth: abt 1306, Wigmore, co. Hereford[10]
Death: 17 Dec 1331[10]
Father: Sir Roger de Mortimer (1287-1330)
Mother: Joan de Geneville (1285-1356)
Marr: 27 Jun 1316[10]
Children: Roger Mortimer, Earl of March (1328-1359)
Other Spouses William de Bohun
1.1.2.4 Giles de Badlesmere
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Birth: 18 Oct 1314[2]
Death: 22 Jun 1338, d.s.p.[2]
Occ: Lord Badlesmere
2nd Lord Badlesmere
obtained reversal of his father's attainder, Nov. 1328, and
had livery of his father's lands, though a minor, 1333[2]
Spouse: Elizabeth de Montagu
Death: 31 May 1359[2]
Father: William de Montagu (1301-~1343)
Mother: Katherine de Grandison (~1304-)
Marr: aft Feb 1327[2]
1.1.2.5 Margaret de Badlesmere
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Death: aft 3 Dec 1344[2]
Birth: ca 1315[2]
4th daughter, coheiress of Giles, 2nd Lord Badlesmere[2]
first wife of John, Lord Tibetot
Spouse: John de Tibetot
Birth: 20 Jul 1313[9]
Death: 13 Apr 1367[9]
Father: Payn de Tibetot (<1281-1314)
Mother: Agnes de Ros (-<1328)
Marr: bef 24 Jul 1337[2]
Children: John (1338-<1359)
Robert (1341-1372)
1.2 Sir Ralph de Badlesmere
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Death: bef 24 Sep 1296[3]
mentioned in Kent, 1265 (Inq.)
witness to a grant or confirmation in Essex, 12 July 1281
(C.R. entry)
owes Ł24 in co. Bucks., May 1289
' His heirs are overlords at Shaldford, Ess., 14 May 1294
(Inq.). Mentioned as dead 24 Sep. 1296 (F.R.). Gilb. de
Clare, E. of Gloucester, had given to him for life a mess.,
etc. at Esinton, Bucks. (Inq. 1 May 1307).' Knights I:32[3]
'Rauf de Batelesmere', knight
: his arms are recorded ca. 1280 as
' Ermine a fess beyween two bars gemelles gules '
(Camden Roll D209[5])
Children: Joan
1.2.1 Joan de Badlesmere
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' Clutterbuck shows Joan as dau. of Gunceline (temp. John),
son of Bartholomew. He says she m. Sir John de Northwood,
who was Sheriff of Kent temp. E. I; summoned to Parliament
among the Barons temp. E. II (Dub. Bar. vol. II p 70); and
d. 14 E. II.'[15]
Spouse: Sir John de Northwode
Birth: ca 1254[16]
Death: 26 May 1319[16]
Children: John (-<1318)
Humphrey
1.2.1.1 John de Northwode
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Death: bef 8 Sep 1318, d.v.p.[16]
Children: Roger (ca1307-1361)
1.2.1.2 Humphrey de Northwode
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of Shalford, Essex
Children: John
1.3 Sir Peter de Badlesmere
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'Mentioned as a Kt. in Kent Mich. 1265 (Inq.). Protection to
him 19 Mar. 1271 (P.R.). Com'n re assault upon him by the
Mayor of Sandwich and his friends, when he was going thither
to hear a complaint, 16 Sep. 1274 (P.R.).' Knights I:32[3]
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This is an occasional roll, listing those present in the
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* John P. Ravilious
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