Jephsons of Froyle
SomersetSue
I am trying to find out what I can about a family called Jephson, of
Froyle in Hampshire.
I had already found a claim that Alice Jephson of Froyle married
William Hickman of Woodford.
http://www.stirnet.com/HTML/genie/british/hh4bz/hickman1.htm
They were named as the parents of Anthony Hickman the merchant who
married Rose Locke (she was born in 1537 according to her own
autobiography).
I then did a bit of hunting online and discovered that a William
Jephson became the owner of the manor of Froyle in 1536 after the
Dissolution of the Monasteries.
http://www.froyle.com/histnotes3.htm
I've wondered if Alice is possibly a daughter of that William. However
her own children would have been born around the time William Jephson
acquired Froyle so I can't quite understand why she was called "of
Froyle" unless the family lived in the village before William became
the Lord of the Manor.
If Alice is the child of William then I've seen a claim that her
mother was Mary Giffard (daughter of Sir William Giffard and Eleanor
Paulet).
https://home.comcast.net/~pgifford11/WestonEdgeGifford.htm
This seems possible because I found a reference to a book to which I
haven't got access but the clue was in the google link.
JSTOR: The Role of Family and Religion in the Local Politics of ...
For Hampshire in the 1560s the survival of one of the earliest and
most ..... reign.34 Richard Gifford also had a nephew named William
Jephson who was a ...
links.jstor.org/sici?sici=0018-246X(198206)25%3A2%3C267%3ATROFAR
%3E2.0.CO%3B2-H
If Alice Jephson was the daughter of William Jephson and Mary Giffard
that then gives a line back through Giffards and Paulets which I've
spotted on Leo's site.
Has anyone any more useful information on these people please?
Best wishes
Sue
WJhonson
Both Sir Thomas Norris, his father Henry Baron Norris of Rycote and two brother William and John Norris all have DNB entries.
About Sir Thomas, which is germane to your research we learn
A) Fifth son
B) Born in 1556, died 20 aug 1599
C) Knighted 1588 by E1
D) President of Munster 1597
E) Elected Lord Justice of Ireland, but election not confirmed by Queen E
F) died "at his home in Mallow, co Cork [Ireland]" due to a battle wound he had received a few months earlier
G) *"Sole Heiress"* Elizabeth Norris, by his wife Bridget KINGSMILL dau of Sir William KINGSMILL of Sydmonton, Hampshire
H) His daughter and sole heiress married "John Jephson of Froyle, Hampshire" by whom a son William Jephson of Froyle
It just so happens William himself has a DNB by which we learn he was born about (?) 1615 and died abt (?) 1659
Now after digesting that we turn to A2A which has a *single* document on a search for "Jephson near9 Froyle" which tells us surprisingly that there was an adult William Jephson of Froyle conveying "West Itchenor" on 18 Feb 1607/8 to Francis Neville of Keynor, Esq.
And that this William Jephson is there called "Kt"
This *cannot be* the same William who obtained Froyle at the Dissolution, so it would appear there is yet another William Jephson who was knight by 1608.
I'm going to anticipate that he is a grandson of that first William (who m Mary Giffard), *and* furthermore that he d.s.p. leaving *his brother* John (m Elizabeth Norris) as *his* heir.
All of this is idle speculation, but it does provide a framework for futher work.
See document below
Will Johnson
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West Sussex Record Office: The Goodwood Estate Archives [Estate Papers 2]
The Goodwood Estate Archives
Catalogue Ref. GOODWOOD
Creator(s): Lennox, Gordon-, family, Dukes of Richmond and Gordon
Gordon-Lennox family, Dukes of Richmond and Gordon
Goodwood MS. E2607
By courtesy of His Grace the Duke of Richmond and Gordon, and with acknowledgments to the West Sussex County Record Office and the County Archivist
ESTATE PAPERS
TITLE DEEDS
WEST ITCHENOR
FILE - Conveyance - ref. GOODWOOD/E2607 - date: 18 Feb 1607/8
[from Scope and Content] William Jephson of Froyle, co. Hants., kt., to Francis Nevill of Keynor [in Sidlesham], esq.
mj...@btinternet.com
> Hello
>
> I am trying to find out what I can about a family called Jephson, of
> Froyle in Hampshire.
>
> I had already found a claim that Alice Jephson of Froyle married
> They were named as the parents of Anthony Hickman the merchant who
> married Rose Locke (she was born in 1537 according to her own
> autobiography).
> I then did a bit of hunting online and discovered that a William
> Jephson became the owner of the manor of Froyle in 1536 after the
>
> I've wondered if Alice is possibly a daughter of that William. However
> her own children would have been born around the time William Jephson
> acquired Froyle so I can't quite understand why she was called "of
> Froyle" unless the family lived in the village before William became
> the Lord of the Manor.
>
> If Alice is the child of William then I've seen a claim that her
> mother was Mary Giffard (daughter of Sir William Giffard and Eleanor
>
> This seems possible because I found a reference to a book to which I
> haven't got access but the clue was in the google link.
>
> JSTOR: The Role of Family and Religion in the Local Politics of ...
> For Hampshire in the 1560s the survival of one of the earliest and
> most ..... reign.34 Richard Gifford also had a nephew named William
> Jephson who was a ...
> links.jstor.org/sici?sici=0018-246X(198206)25%3A2%3C267%3ATROFAR
> %3E2.0.CO%3B2-H
>
> If Alice Jephson was the daughter of William Jephson and Mary Giffard
> that then gives a line back through Giffards and Paulets which I've
> spotted on Leo's site.
>
> Has anyone any more useful information on these people please?
Adding to Will's useful snippets, I can advise that Berry's Hampshire
Pedigrees, quoting the Visitation of 1634, shows the following for
Jephson:
Mr Jephson had issue:
1. William, eldest son
2. Sir John Jephson of Froyle, Kt [according to my notes he was a
Major-General, MP and PC, and was knighted at Dublin 18.12.1608]; he
married firstly a daughter and heir of Thomas Norris, "uncle of Lord
Norris", and secondly the widow of Sir Francis Rush of Ireland. By
his first wife he had: William; Norris; John; Thomas; Elizabeth [my
note adds she married Sir John Gifford of Castle Jordan, Meath, d
1657]; Frances; Mary, and Theodosia.
There was also a daughter who married Richard Whitehed of Titherly.
Arms: argent, on a chevron sable between three lions' heads gules
bezanty, a sun in glory (Burke's says they formerly used an older
coat).
I think the surname was also spelled "Jefson".
Regards, Michael
WJhonson
I'm going to anticipate that he is a grandson of that first William (who m Mary Giffard), *and* furthermore that he d.s.p. leaving *his brother* John (m Elizabeth Norris) as *his* heir.
All of this is idle speculation, but it does provide a framework for futher work.
See document below >>>
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And as usual I appear to be *half-right* by the authority (as it were) of Burkes(1865). A poor resource, but useful for the received structure.
Burke's Peerage and Baronetage (1865), "Norreys", pg 827
which is online at ancestry ($$$) for those with the British records subscription here
http://content.ancestry.com/iexec/?htx=view&r=an&dbid=8487&iid=DictPeersBaronets-0183&rc=1966,2666,2049,2702;2060,2668,2204,2711;1975,3499,2053,3531;2060,3497,2187,3537&fn=john&ln=jephson&st=d&ssrc=&pid=183
tells us that Mary Giffard was the *second* wife of William Jephson who received Froyle from H8 at the Dissolution.
His first wife, they say, was an unnamed daughter of John Goriage Esq of Burton, Sussex, by whom he had his *heir* William Jephson who they go to on say was High Sheriff of Hampshire in 1571.
Now by his second wife Mary Giffard, the original William Jephson had three daughters
Christiana m Richard Whitehede Esq of Thetherley
Eleanor m "G Burley", Esq of Potternese, Wiltshire
and
*Editha* (as they state) who married "Walter" Hickman, Esq "ancestor of the Earls of Plymouth"
Which only adds another voice to the confusion over exactly what the Hickman ascent truly is.
But at least it gives you another authority for this marriage, as it were.
Will
WJhonson
William; Norris; John; Thomas; Elizabeth [my
note adds she married Sir John Gifford of Castle Jordan, Meath, d
1657]; Frances; Mary, and Theodosia. >>
Elizabeth Jephson and John Gifford
Both of Froyle.
They, you see, have an
Allegations for Marriage Licences in Dampshire, in the Registry of the Bishop of Winchester.
1636
County: Hampshire Country: England
Sir Jno Jefford of Froyle knight & Eliz Jephson of the s sp, at F, 07 Oct 1636.
I think "of the s" means of the *same*
but what does "sp at F" mean ?
Now at least we can connect this couple to their parents.
Will
SomersetSue
That's all going to keep me thinking for a while. Much appreciated.
I came across an old message on Rootsweb with a dead e-mail link but
the man who put it there in 1998 said.
"I am researching the family of JEPHSON who apparently lived in
Lancaster
before 1600. one branch -- William JEPHSON was granted the manor of
Froyle in Hampshire in 1541 whilst another - John JEPHSON - purchased
lands in Ireland where he settled."
I am on a hunt for the person who wrote the message.
Best wishes
Sue
mj...@btinternet.com
> And as usual I appear to be *half-right* by the authority (as it were) of Burkes(1865). A poor resource, but useful for the received structure.
>
> Burke's Peerage and Baronetage (1865), "Norreys", pg 827
> which is online at ancestry ($$$) for those with the British records subscription herehttp://content.ancestry.com/iexec/?htx=view&r=an&dbid=8487&iid=DictPe...
> tells us that Mary Giffard was the *second* wife of William Jephson who received Froyle from H8 at the Dissolution.
>
> His first wife, they say, was an unnamed daughter of John Goriage Esq of Burton, Sussex,
This is probably John *Goring* of Burton; his daughter Constance was
the wife of Sir John Kingsmill of Basingstoke, CJ (CP), according to
Berry. Sir John Kingsmill was the son of "Jane, daughter of Sir John
Gifford of Erhill, Hants" - rather a tangled web of relationships!
MAR
mj...@btinternet.com
= of the same, spinster, at Froyle
MAR
WJhonson
This is probably John *Goring* of Burton; his daughter Constance was
the wife of Sir John Kingsmill of Basingstoke, CJ (CP), according to
Berry. Sir John Kingsmill was the son of "Jane, daughter of Sir John
Gifford of Erhill, Hants" - rather a tangled web of relationships! >>
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Yes, I agree, now that you've kindly pointed it out.
It makes perfect sense as *Bridget* Kingsmill would then be the daughter of *Bridget* Raleigh
I now have 15 of the 16 great-great-grandparents of Elizabeth Norris who m Sir John Jephson. I'm only missing position 31 the wife of Judge Humphrey Coningsby who d 2 Jun 1535.
This date must not be stated as fact, I only picked it up off OWT and haven't verified it yet.
Will Johnson
mj...@btinternet.com
ODNB confirms this date. It states the Judge had three wives:
(a) Isabel Fereby, "died in the 1490s"
(b) about 1499, Alice, daughter and heir of Sir John Fraunceys and
widow successively of John Worsley and William Staveley (d 1498); she
died in 1500
(c) in 1504, Anne, daughter and heir of Sir Christopher Moresby and
widow of James Pickering (d 1498); she died in 1523.
The Judge had two sons by his first wife, and five daughters
(Elizabeth, Amphelice [sic], Margaret, Jane, and another Elizabeth)
but the mother of the daughters is not specified in ODNB - I presume
this is why your 32nd place is blank.
MA-R
SomersetSue
I took my eyes off this thread while I made a cup of coffee and
suddenly loads of findings!
Thank you everyone.
I'm a little puzzled by the Hickman confusion. I am going to have to
try and sort out who is who.
This is the version which a lot of people seem to be following
http://www.stirnet.com/HTML/genie/british/hh4bz/hickman1.htm
British History online says (without mentioning a wife)
Walter Hickman, who died in 1540, directed that his body should be
buried at Woodford; he bequeathed to Clement, his son, four of his
best ambling mares, his best gown lined with sitches, and his russet
gown lined with fox. To the church of Woodford he left 10l. for the
purpose of redeeming paschal money at Easter; so that every body in
the parish, being free from the payment of the same, when they came to
God's board, might say a Pater noster and an Ave for his soul, and all
Christian souls (fn. 11) .
From: 'Woodford', The Environs of London: volume 4: Counties of Herts,
Essex & Kent (1796), pp. 273-87. URL: http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.asp?compid=45477.
Date accessed: 27 July 2007.
I have just reread a document I sent Will earlier
Johnson, R. (Richard). The baronetage of England: containing a
genealogical and historical account of all the English baronets now
existing: with their descents, ... London, 1771. 600pp. Vol. 1 of 3 (3
vols. available).History and Geography
That clearly says that Anthony Hickman's father was Walter. So it
looks as if the stirnet site version has got an extra generation
slipped in there.
That makes me wonder about Alice now! Is she really Editha?
I shall have to ponder on this tomorrow when I'm more awake!
Best wishes
Sue
WJhonson
That makes me wonder about Alice now! Is she really Editha? >>
If we can find a William who married Alice *and* a Walter who married Editha, then we're good to go.
There's enough slack in the known dates to allow Anthony to be either son *or* grandson to the Walter who has a will in 1540. We just don't have enough firm pegs to hang it on yet.
Will
John Higgins
The 1937 edition of Burke's Landed Gentry (as well as, apparently, the 1976
edition of Burke's Irish Family Records, which I haven't seen) has a
pedigree of the family of Jephson-Norreys (a surname assumed by them only in
1926). The Jephson part of the pedigree starts out as follows:
" William Jephson had a grant of the manor of Froyle, Hants, King Henry VIII
1534. He m. 1st Mary, dau. of John Goringe of Burton, Sussex, by whom he
had a son William; he m. 2ndly Mary dau. of Sir William Gifford, by whom he
had three daus." [the daughters are not named]
As to the Hickmans:
The Stirnet site cites as its Hickman source Maddison's Lincolnshire
Pedigrees, but it appears to have miscopied a key generation from Maddison.
In Maddison (vol. 51 of the Harleian Society Publications), it was Walter,
not William, Hickman who mar. Alice, "dau. of ....Jephson of Froyle, Hants".
Maddison does not indicate any other Hickman/Jephson marriage, so (unless
he's incomnplete - always a possibility) presumably this Alice is the
Jephson referred to as Editha in the 1857 BP that Will Johnson cited
elsewhere in this thread - although the chronology does seems a bit
difficult.
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Coningsby in an article in vol. 26 of "The Genealogist" [new series].
Although it overlooks his 2nd marriage (perhaps because it was apparently so
short), it does say specifically that all of his children were by his 1st
wife, identified as Alice [not Isabel] Fereby or Ferby. The article notes
that a Coningsby pedigree in the Worcestershire visitations (HSP vol. 27)
says [without noting her Christian name] that she was of a Lincolnshire
family, but also says that it is more likely of the family of Paul's Cray
Hill, Kent. Although it doesn't make a specific connection for her, it
notes that John Ferby, son of Thomas, of that family was involved in some
transactions with Humphrey Coningsby (assumed to be the Judge), thus
suggesting that his 1st wife may be from that family.
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John Higgins
Sir John Jephson's daughter Elizabeth to Sir John Gifford of Castle Jordan.
Sir John Jephson's 2nd wife Mary was the widow not only of Sir Francis Ruish
[or Rush} but also of Sir Richard Gifford of Castle Jordan, by whom she was
mother of Sir John Gifford. So Mary's son Sir John Gifford (stepson of Sir
John Jephson) married Sir John Jephson's daughter Elizabeth (stepdaughter of
Mary). Nothing like a close family connection for a good marriage, I
guess....
The thrice-married Mary was daughter of Sir Henry Duke of Castle Jordan,
apparently by his 1st wife Anne Moore, of the family of Moore of Mellifont.
Can anyone provide any information on the ancestry of Sir Henry Duke?
----- Original Message -----
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To: <gen-me...@rootsweb.com>
Sent: Friday, July 27, 2007 3:13 PM
Subject: Re: Jephsons of Froyle
[snip]
WJho...@aol.com
jthi...@sbcglobal.net writes:
The thrice-married Mary was daughter of Sir Henry Duke of Castle Jordan,
apparently by his 1st wife Anne Moore, of the family of Moore of Mellifont.
Can anyone provide any information on the ancestry of Sir Henry Duke?>>
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Ugh. I don't envy anyone the task of looking for a family named "Duke". I
wonder if someone has traced the paternal ancestry of the famous American
Duke family.
Will
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SomersetSue
information I've now got and rereading all our discussions, I am now
fairly certain that the stirnet site has the right number of
generations but has called a second Walter Hickman by the name of
William by mistake.
I compared it generation for generation with the information from
Johnson, R. (Richard). The baronetage of England: containing a
genealogical and historical account of all the English baronets now
existing: with their descents, ... London, 1771. 600pp. Vol. 1 of 3 (3
vols. available).History and Geography
This is what I think is now the right line of Hickman generations as
far as we can tell at the moment. The above document is a bit
confusing to read at first glance.
John (alive in 1377)
Henry (alive in 1409)
William of Woodford Hall in Essex d.1458
William d.1487
Walter
Walter married Alice/Editha Jephson
Anthony married Rose Locke
I'm not certain which Walter Hickman is the one who died in 1540.
I have just checked and Rose Locke was born in 1532 (I made a mistake
in calculating earlier!). Assuming Anthony was about the same age we
still have the puzzle of why his mother Alice (or Editha) is of Froyle
when William Jephson (her probable father) didn't acquire Froyle until
around 1541.
I am now thinking the Jephsons must have lived in Froyle before
gaining the manor. Or perhaps later historians recorded called Alice
"of Froyle" to clarify which branch of Jephsons she came from.
Sue
SomersetSue
ago with further information about the Jephsons of Froyle.
It doesn't clarify about Alice/Editha but there are references and
transcriptions of documents relating to William Jephson and his wife
Mary and some generations after.
It's 6 pages long so I can't include it here but if anyone would like
a copy contact me.
Sue
SomersetSue
dated 1540 from National Archives.
He is definitely the father of Anthony Hickman.
I've skimmed over it but can't see a reference to a wife Alice/Editha
but it needs careful transcribing so I will have a go at that
tomorrow. At least it's in English.
Sue
SomersetSue
Jephson line. The more I look at it the less space there seems to be.
Yesterday I misread a bit of the document I had about Rose Locke's
memoirs and muddled her year of birth with that of her brother. I have
been looking through my various files of notes and see that she was
indeed born in 1526 then married to Anthony Hickman in 1543. Anthony
died in 1573 while Rose lived on to a ripe old age until 1613.
I have been looking at the will of Walter the father of Anthony (dated
1540) and it does not appear that Anthony is a minor. Timings are very
tight even if we assume him to be born around the same time as Rose
and not earlier.
Anthony is recorded as either the third or fourth son of his father.
Even if his mother is Alice Jephson of Froyle and if she were not the
mother of Walter's earlier sons then she'd need to be born by about
1505 I think.
This adds to the puzzle about how she can be of Froyle when her own
father didn't come by that manor until around 1540.
It also doesn't leave much room for Alice to be the daughter of
William Jephson and Mary (Giffard) and the granddaughter of William
Giffard/Gifford and Eleanor Paulet.
Tudor Place has Eleanor Paulet born in 1479 and Mary Giffard about
1505.
Has anyone any evidence of well sourced material for dates for these
people please? Those just don't work.
Getting confused.
Sue
mj...@btinternet.com
>
> Has anyone any evidence of well sourced material for dates for these
> people please? Those just don't work.
>
> Getting confused.
>
> Sue
Sue
I am not sure whether it will help you, but I wonder if the William
Jephson who acquired Froyle was possibly the one of that name who was
one of the Clerks of Chancery. He was appointed in 1518, and was
permitted to marry under a special Act of 1523 (suggesting he was not
married before that date) [The Domesday of Inclosures, R.Hist.Soc.,
1987, p 77]. According to PROCAT (C 1/830/11-12) he held property in
Sussex in the 1530s.
A William Jefson, gentleman of Hardham, Sussex, had his will proved at
the PCC 6 May 1542.
Also, for what it is worth, according to VCH Middlesex Vol 5, the
manor of Pymmes at Edmonton was acquired by Anthony Hickman, mercer of
London, in 1562 as feofee; in 1568 it was transferred to William
Jephson.
Cheers, Michael
WJho...@aol.com
SueB...@aol.com writes:
Tudor Place has Eleanor Paulet born in 1479 and Mary Giffard about
1505.>>
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I think you have to realize that Tudorplace (which almost never cites any
sources whatsoever) in many cases, just picks up or *makes up* dates to suit the
supposed connections, rather than the other way round.
So quite possibly there is some visitation with names undated that they've
used, without citation, and just threw in dates like "20 years earlier than
birth of first child" or something else of that sort of silliness, imho.
I quote their date, cite them, and then say why it must be wrong :)
Meanwhile, juggle the remaining line and see what year-range *could* work.
And keep hunting for better sources for the line, *or* sources which can
disprove it.
WJho...@aol.com
SueB...@aol.com writes:
This adds to the puzzle about how she can be of Froyle when her own
father didn't come by that manor until around 1540.>>
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I think you're reading too much into this. The source which calls her this,
isn't really interested in *her* and so most likely didn't dig too deeply to
prove or disprove what could very well be a much later label.
The label may not even attach to *her* exactly, but rather to her *line* or
lineage, i.e. as you alluded to earlier to only show which line she was from,
so as not to confuse her with some other family of the same name.
Also "of x" doesn't always mean "born at x", it can mean simply "resident at
sometime at x" or even as you suggested "of the family of the Manor of x"
SomersetSue
The various little bits of evidence are building up but at the moment
it's proving difficult to work out what is fact and what is simply
copied information which is being assumed.
Best wishes
Sue
WJhonson
If we can find some more dates on this Jephsons of Froyle, we may be able to pin the issue down better. Certainly my suggested William had a wife Mary Darrell who so far I have born *sometime* between 1490 and 1530, a marriage date of 1523+ for her is more likely than the same for her father-in-law to unnamed wife Goring dau of John Goring of Burton.
It certainly doesn't help when there are three John Goring of Burton's in a row and so far no way to determine which one is the father-in-law of the first William Jephson.
Will Johnson
Sue
Cheers, Michael
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WJhonson
As *remarkable* as it might seem, these Jephsons have descents into New York City
Otherwise known as Burke's Commoners, Vol IV, page 241
"Taylor of Pennington"
Where this discussion leads into connections to the Van Courtlandt's of New York and New Jersey (after whom Courtlandt County is named I suppose)
Will Johnson
WJhonson
That is, it is known that the marriage of Lt Col William Jephson of Mallow Castle to Eliza Appy occurred on 18 Mar 1777 at Trinity Church Parish, New York City.
It is also known that he married his second wife Louisa Kensington on 31 Jan 1799 (some sources say third wife)
So any children he had by Eliza must have been born between 1777 and 1799
Burke's calls William Jephson "of New York City" the "only child" by this union.
It is further known that this William's grandson William Jephson Taylor was born on 15 Sep 1829, so we can push him back a few more years to perhaps 1777 to 1797.
In New York City census we find a certain "William H Jephson" who might be him.
where a Martha Mortier, widow of Abraham Mortier "late of New York, Esq" leaves four *thousand* pounds (quite a nice chunk) in trust, paying the interest to "my granddaughter Elizabeth Jephson, wife of William Jephson for her support and education of her son WILLIAM HENRY JEPHSON, until he is *of age*..."
I suggest, prehaps prematurely that this is that same William Jephson. Therefore Eliza is Elizabeth, and either her maternal or paternal grandparents are Abraham and Martha Mortier.
Will Johnson
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WJhonson
And might I point out that the page you cited states, at the end of the will that Mrs Martha Mortier, the widow of Abraham, had a daughter who married John Appy.
This John is quite an interesting fellow himself. The family escaped from France to Amsterdam where he was born on 12 Feb 1725, they were Walloons.
By 1757, he is in New York City where on 11 Dec 1757 at Trinity Parish he marries Elizabeth NADEN. You see Abraham Mortier is not her father, he is her step-father.
Her mother Martha had been married previously to a Mr Naden.
John Appy's parents are given as Peter Appy (likely Piers) and Marianne Giguer.
A few more steps and you might make it back to the Medieval period....
Will Johnson
WJhonson
By 1757, he is in New York City where on 11 Dec 1757 at Trinity Parish he marries Elizabeth NADEN. You see Abraham Mortier is not her father, he is her step-father.
Her mother Martha had been married previously to a Mr Naden. >>
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Will on this point, although I cannot help you *leap* back, I can help you step back slightly.
Although we know that Elizabeth Naden was by 1757 in New York City, checking her mother Martha's details we can see that *she* was married to [Major] Abraham Mortier on 5 Jan 1754 at Saint Benet, Pauls Wharf, London.
This makes it quite more likely that Elizabeth was born in England and possibly in London
By the way, Abraham Mortier was Deputy Paymaster of His Majesty's Troops, which could explain why the family is throwing thousands of pounds around in their wills.
Although Abraham *may* not have had any children (as he bequests to his wife and her previous daughter), he does mention his *brother* David Mortier of London who he makes an executor. There *is* a David who around 1700 ish is evidently some sort of book maker or printer of some kind.
Checking for any child surnamed Naden born to any mother named Martha we find in the baptisms of St Martin in the Fields (For baptism see www.familysearch.org - IGI - British Isles - Batch C001457) one for Elizabeth Naden on 23 May 1740 which accords nicely to other now-known details of her life. I.E. that she was married firstly 11 Dec 1757 to John Appy who died shortly before 25 Aug 1764 on which date an affidavit by a witness to his will; and that she married secondly 5 Feb 1767 to Goldsborough Banyar (a name suggestive of his ancestry) and had at least one more child by him.
Provided we can accept this Elizabeth as that Elizabeth, then the father's name is given in the baptism as John Naden. and he and Martha had three more children also at St Martin in the Fields, Westminster, London.
Perhaps knowing these details can help connect the family backwards.
Will Johnson
John Higgins
connection (via marriage) noted in BC to Clement Clark Moore, who wrote "A
Visit from St. Nicholas", also known as "Twas the Night before Christmas".
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From: "WJhonson" <wjho...@aol.com>
To: <gen-me...@rootsweb.com>
Sent: Monday, July 30, 2007 8:47 PM
Subject: Re: Jephsons of Froyle
WJhonson
We already knew, in this thread, from Burke's Peerage and Baronetage (1865) "Norreys", pg 827.. that William Jephson of Froyle by his *second* wife Mary Giffard, left exactly three daughters.
We are told that one named either Alice or Editha married William Hickman, a second daughter Christiana married Richard Whitehede, Esq of Thetherley and a third daughter Eleanor married G Burley, esq of Potternese, Wiltshire.
We know all three daughters were born sometime in the first half of the 16th century.
I can now cite a document which should tie up loose ends very nicely
Will Johnson
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Hampshire Record Office: Daly (Southwick and Norman Court Estates) [5M50/2001 - 5M50/2776]
Daly (Southwick and Norman Court Estates)
Catalogue Ref. 5M50
Creator(s): White family of Southwick, Hampshire
Norton family of Hampshire
Thistlethwayte family of Southwick Park, Hampshire
NORMAN COURT ESTATE
DESCENT OF ESTATE
FILE - Redemise for 21 years from William Jephson, Robert Aston, esquires, and George Burley of Potterne (Wilts.), gent., to Richard Whithedd of West Tytherley, esquire, of the manors of Estrop, Lickpit, East Dean, Tytherley or West Tytherley, Weston Braybefe, Hill and Shirley which Whithed demised to them by deed of 27 April 1576. - ref. 5M50/2004 - date: 8 May 1576
WJhonson
Will Johnson
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Daly (Southwick and Norman Court Estates)
Catalogue Ref. 5M50
Creator(s):
White family of Southwick, Hampshire
Norton family of Hampshire
Thistlethwayte family of Southwick Park, Hampshire
NORMAN COURT ESTATE
[from Scope and Content] This section of the Daly MSS includes all the documents relating to the Norman Court Estate and the other properties forming the inheritance of the Whithed family and which descended in 1733, together with Southwick, to Francis Thistlethwayte, and thereafter to the Thistlethwayte family and their successors in title, down to the end of the 19th century. The Norman Court Estate in this context comprises the manors of Norman Court, West Tytherley and East Dean, the advowson of West Tytherley, the bailiwick of Buckholt Forest, the manors of Hill and Shirley, near Southampton, and the manors of Eastrop and Lickpit in Basingstoke, to which has been added the manor and advowson of Broughton purchased in 1733.
DESCENT OF ESTATE
Deeds of settlement upon the marriage of Henry Whithed and Sarah Norton
FILE - Conveyance, by lease and release, from Richard Whithed and Lucy his wife to Daniel Norton, John Bulkeley, Edward Norton, Henry Dawley, John Wolveridge and William Thomas; Richard Norton, Sarah Norton and Henry Whithed being third parties - ref. 5M50/2019, 2020 - date: 3/4 September 1652
[from Scope and Content] of the manors of Estrop and Lickpit, advowson of Eastrop, one messuage in Basingstoke in possession of John Miles, and lands of Richard or Lucy in Basing, Basingstoke, Eastrop, Lickpit and Chineham. In trust to the use of Richard Whithed and Lucy for their lives and then to Henry Whithed his heirs and assigns, subject to the charge of £1000 which Richard may appoint to be paid after his death and the death of Lucy. Consideration of marriage, and payment of marriage portion of £3000 by Richard Norton. Schedule of the leases excepted is attached.
WJhonson
On that sheet, they make the bold claim that he was born 1542 and died 1593, and that he had three children: Henry, Eleanor and Elizabeth.
The last entry I can find tonight for this Richard is a lease he made Michaelmas 1592 to a William Whithed of Winchester (perhaps his brother) and a Richard Burleighe of Longparish, gents.
He was leasing them the manor and farm of Lickpit. After I saw that name, I realized that it would be easy to search on it.
After this, there is a settlement *after* the marriage of Sir Henry Whithed "of Normans Court" after his marriage with Constance, sister of Sir Daniel Norton. This settlement is dated 10 June 1604 and includes the Manor of Lickpit. It also mentions "George Whithed, Gent, *uncle* of Sir Henry"
It includes an interesting clause to Richard Whithed, *son* of Sir Henry *to enter bond upon attaining 21 years of age* not to disturb the title of Dame Constance.
So either Richard is illegitimate or Sir Henry was married previously.
Checking the extracted IGI we do find the marriage
of Henry Whitehead to Constance Norton (www.familysearch.org - IGI - British Isles - Batch M146631)
Will Johnson
WJhonson
The thrice-married Mary was daughter of Sir Henry Duke of Castle Jordan,
apparently by his 1st wife Anne Moore, of the family of Moore of Mellifont.
Can anyone provide any information on the ancestry of Sir Henry Duke?
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Unless there was more than one Henry Duke of Castle Jordan, he must also have had a daughter Anne (Duke) Loftus as this
http://books.google.com/books?id=jvg1AAAAIAAJ&pg=PA310&dq=%22castle+jordan%22+duke
Will Johnson