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Ancient Families of Dee and Day of Wales, Ireland and England by LF Day

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Wizz...@aol.com

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Dec 31, 1998, 3:00:00 AM12/31/98
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We have Robert DAY b 1604 Ipswich, Suffolk,Eng son of Richard DAY +Anne Kirby.
Richard was sonof John DAY b abt 1537 Elmsdale, York, Eng +Elizabeth WENTWORTH
b abt 1541Thermacoe,Grange,York, Eng.

John's parents were Robert DAY b 1518 and Ursulowe daughter of JohnChaloner,
County Cheshire

Robert'sparents were Richard Day b ca 1477 Warfield, Shropshire + Elizabeth
OSBORNE

Richard's father was Nicholas DAY of Shropshire

Nicholas was son of John DEE of Denigh County, Wales + Margaret daughter of
Llewelyn ap Howellap Griffith ap Grono ap Gwerganus (Elystan)

ap Morgan DEE +Maud daughter of Howell ap Madoc

ap Richard DEE of radnor and Shropshire

ap Deiks-DDU + Gwen

apMadoc ap IEVAN

IEVAN ap david Goch +Efa,daughter ofEinion ap Celynnin, Lord of Llwdiarth of
County Glamorgan

David GOCH ap TRAHAIRN + Lady Maud daughter of David Lloyd ap Cynveloe, son of
David, Prince of Wales son of Llewelyn the Great and his wife Joan daughter of
King John of England.

TRAHAIRN GOCH ap MADOC, Lord of Pennllich b ca 1320 + Gwyrryl, daughter of
Madoc ap Merig

MADOC ap RHYS GLOFF + Tangwst, daughter of Gronowy ap Einion

claudia

G . EDWARD ALLEN

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Dec 31, 1998, 3:00:00 AM12/31/98
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Wizz...@aol.com wrote:
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> We have Robert DAY b 1604 Ipswich, Suffolk,Eng son of Richard DAY +Anne Kirby.
> Richard was sonof John DAY b abt 1537 Elmsdale, York, Eng +Elizabeth WENTWORTH
> b abt 1541Thermacoe,Grange,York, Eng.

Would you please tell us what your evidence is that Robert is son of
that particular Richard and that that Richard is son of that particular
John. It is quite unusual to have so many counties in a pedigree unless
there was a very itinerant occupation involved or connections to
landholdings in all the counties, and probably a few other reasons, but
not many.

I am quite interested as this is my ancestor also.

Kay Allen AG all...@pacbell.net

Links4two

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Dec 31, 1998, 3:00:00 AM12/31/98
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Hi!
This is my line. I also descend from Maud and David Goch through Evan
Robert Lewis, whose descendants were Cymric Quakers who came to Pennsylvania in
1690.
However, you've left out a generation here:
The father of Cynveloe (or Cynveloc or Cynwrig) was Llywelyn, son of David
ap Llywelyn Fawr. Both Llywelyn and Cynwrig were constables of Rhuddlan. My
cousin and I have done much research on this.On their way to me right now are
copies of manuscripts from National Library of Wales and the Rhyl Library (near
Rhuddlan)concerning Llywelyn and Cynwrig, the constables of Rhuddlan.
I would love to discuss your Days more with you, as my maiden name was Day
and I don't have the Days any further back than 1770 in North Carolina, USA.
The Days are not the same side of my family as Evan Robert Lewis--he's on my
mother's side. This fascinates me!
Susan Hammond

Reedpcgen

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Jan 5, 1999, 3:00:00 AM1/5/99
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>We have Robert DAY b 1604 Ipswich, Suffolk,Eng son of Richard DAY +Anne
>Kirby.
>Richard was sonof John DAY b abt 1537 Elmsdale, York, Eng +Elizabeth
>WENTWORTH
>b abt 1541Thermacoe,Grange,York, Eng.

This line and earlier connections are false. I looked into it some years ago
for a client who got it from a seemingly credible genealogy. As I seem to
recall, they jumped from the immigrant to an account of theDay family in the
Visitation of Yorkshire (HS 16) and then jumped into Wales. Aside from being
chronologically impossible, several of the connections are factually unsound.
You need to look at the specific generations that leap between different
counties or regions of the country.

pcr

Links4two

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Jan 5, 1999, 3:00:00 AM1/5/99
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Reed,
Do you mean the whole line back to Deikws DDU is false?The info I had
before all of this came up only includes a son Einion for Deikws--there is no
mention of a son Richard Dee for Deikws DDU.
Thank you.

Susan Hammond

Reedpcgen

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Jan 6, 1999, 3:00:00 AM1/6/99
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>Reed,
> Do you mean the whole line back to Deikws DDU is false?

No, I simply meant that in a number of places, the proposed line traced back
from the immigrant to that point is false. It almost never happens that every
person in a line is fictional. It is usually the case that different
historical individuals are found and connections between them either forced, or
one or two figures made up to cement the bond. I've seen many childless
couples blessed with children centuries after their deaths.

pcr

mdo...@gmail.com

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Jun 20, 2015, 7:53:14 PM6/20/15
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Found a book if anyone is interested

https://archive.org/details/genealogicalregi00dayg

sangreel

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Jun 21, 2015, 3:27:04 AM6/21/15
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I also descend from: Robert Day = Editha Stebbins .

Here is a bit of my research into the matter of the TWO Robert day's that came to New England:


http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=REG&db=lynnd&id=I7848
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http://www.werelate.org/wiki/Person:Robert_Day_%2812%29

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Two persons by the name of Robert Day took passage to New England, one in 1634 and the other in 1635; this has caused confusion between the two. [Farmer, Banks and Pope]

1] Robert Day, Number one: age 30, sailed on the "Hopewell" of London early in April 1635 and arrived at Boston in June. He was of Stanstead, Abbots, Hertfordshire, England. He made his first residence at Ipswich, Massachusetts where he apparently remained.

2] Robert Day,Number two: Came on the ship "Elizabeth," of Ipswich, Suffolkshire, England, William Andrews Master. Leaving the last of April and arriving at Boston in July 1634. According to the ships manifest, he was 30 years old and his 1st wife Mary who came in the "Elizabeth" from Ipswich, co. Suffolk to Boston in Apr 1634 he was aged 30, Mary aged 28; freeman MA. 6 May 1635. An original proprietor at Hartford; his home lot in 1639 was on the road from Centinel Hill to the North Meadow near the juncion of the streets now Main and Village Streets. Viewer of chimneys and ladders 1643. His first wife is said to have died bef. his rem. to Hartford. m.2) Edith, sister of Dea. Edward Stebbins. Will dated 20 May; inv. 14 Oct 1648 142/13/06, His daughter Sarah was killed with her son Joseph by the Indians 19 Sep 1677

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"Planters of the Commonwealth" states Robert Day went to Ipswich, Massachusetts. Others who accompanied the Day's on the journey were: Edward Lewis and family - Thomas Scott and family - Isaac Mixer and family - and the family of Richard Kimball, who all settled at Ipswich or Cambridge after arriving. Within a month, on 4 August 1634, Robert was granted three acres of land in the West end of Cambridge, Massachusetts and, by May 6, 1635, he had been admitted into the Cambridge church and became a freeman.

During late 1635, Robert was one of the sixteen advanced people who had traveled into the wilderness looking for a suitable area to start a new plantation. Finding it, they spent the winter at what was to become Hartford, Connecticut. Here he became one of its original proprietors and has his name inscribed on the founders monument.

In the January 3, 1639 division of land at Hartford, Robert Day is recorded as receiving fourteen (14) acres. In 1643, Robert was chosen by the town to act as its chimney viewer. This was a necessary task that could prevent a house fire that may possibly spread throughout the whole town.

The will of Robert Day was dated on 20 May 1648, at Hartford, and by 14 Oct. l648 an inventory of his estate was taken and proved.
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" Result of some Researches among the British Archives for information relative to the Founders of New England, Made in the years 1858, 1859 and 1860. Drake. : P. 17: " ....... names of those who embarked on the Hopewell and cert's:..... per. cert. from Stanstede Abbeyin Com. Hert's: .... Robert Day, aged 30......"
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"A Catalogue of the names of the first Puritan Settlers in Connecticut". p. 21 : Day, Robert, Hartford. He was a cleaner of chimneys and ladders in 1643. Died 1648 and left a comfortable estate for his widow and children. He was a good citizen in the colony and was the first ancester who came to Connecticut of President and Sec. Day.
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Topographical Dictionary of 2885 English Emigrants to New England 1620- 1650, Banks. P. 70, Hertfordshire, Name of Emigrant: Day, Robert, Parish Name: Stanstead Abbot, Ship: Hopewell, New England town: Cambridge, Mass. to Hartford Conn. Referance: Hooton."
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" Directory of the Ancestral Heads of New England families, 1620 - 1700., Holmes, P. LXVI, : Robert Day, of Welsh descent, b. 1604, came from Ipswich England to Cambrige Mass and removed to Hartford Conn, 1636."
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The American Genealogist; Cited by Robert Charles Anderson, The Great Migration Begins, Immigrants to New England 1620-1633. Great Migration Study Project, New England Historic Genealogical Society. Boston 1995; Page: 31:193-201
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The English Ancestry of Edward Holyoke and of His Nephew, Thomas Morris of New Haven," New England Historical and Genealogical Register; Author: Richardson, Douglas ; Publication: Boston: New England Historic Genealogical Society, 1993; Page: vol. 147, p. 21
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Hale, House and Related Families; Author: Jacobus, Donald Lines, and Waterman, Edgar Francis
Publication: Hartford: The Connecticut Historical Society, 1952; Page: p. 644
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Ancient Families of Dee & Day of Wales, England; Title: Ancient Families of Dee & Day of Wales, England, and Ireland; Author: Leonard F. Day; Publication: 1972;
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Samuel Richardson and Josiah Ellsworth; Author: Ruth Ellsworth Richardson; Publication: Privately Published, 1974; Page: Page 280
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Genealogical Register of the Descendants in the Male Line of Robert Day; Author: George E. Day
Publication: J & L Metcalf, Northampton, MA ; Robert migrated from England to America in April 1634 on the
"Elizabeth" with his first wife, Mary, aged twenty eight. They first settled at Cambridge, Massachusetts, where he was admitted a freeman (allowed to vote) on 6 May 1635.
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The Vinton Memorial; Author: John Adams Vinton; Publication: Boston: Published For The Author, By S. K. Whipple And Company, 161 Washington Street. 1858
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A Genealogical Register of the Descendants in the Male Line of Robert Day by George E. Day Connecticut Probate Records Families of Early Hartford Connecticut John Ladwig New England Families by William R. Cutter The Colonial History of Hartford; by William DeLoss Love; Copy of the Will and Inventory of Robert Day.--Colony Records, vol. 1. pp. 255, 6. May 20th, 1648.
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The will of Robert Day
hee being sick and weake, yet in perfect memory : doth
order and dispose of his estate to his wife and children, in
the manner following: Impr'mis I give vnto my beloued wife
Edatha Day my now dwelling howse and howsing thereto adjoyning,
howse Lott, Allso all my Land whereof I stand possessed, or
that of right doth belong vnto mee, lying in Hartford, during
the tearme of her naturall life : And at the end of her life,
my will is that the said howse and land shall bee deuided in an
equall proportion : my will allso is that all my howsehold
stuff, and Cattle and other moueable goods shall bee my wiues
to bring vp my children : And in case my wife should bee
married to another man, then my surviers of my will shall haue
power if they thinke good to take security for the bringing vp
of the children, and for so much estate as shall bee though
meete by them, and to this my last Will and Testament I make
my wife my Executrix, and I doe desire my Deare Brethren Mr.
Tailecoate, Willerton, and Stebbing, to take care of and Assist
my wife in the ordering her selfe and my children, and I give
them power to doe what in their Judgements may bee for the
best, to bring vp my Children and dispose of them, and that I
leaue, for theire good : And to this my will I sett to my hand
the day aboue written. EDWARD STEBBING, ROBERT DAY WALLTER
GAYLERD. 14th October, 1648.
An Inventory of the Goods of Robert Day deceased. s. d. In
the Chamber. Impr. one Bedstead ; one fether bed, and fether
Boulster and flock boulster : 2 pillowes, & bedcase &
Curtaines. 07 00 00 Item : 2 blankitts, one red & yellow
Couerlitt Item : 1 chest 10s : 1 Box 3s : 1 desck box 3s : 00
16 00 Item : 1 table 5s : 1 Cubberd 5s and Chaiers 00 16 00
Item : 3 paier of sheetes 02 00 00 Item : 6 table napkins 12s :
1 table cloth 5s. 00 17 00 Item : 6 pillow beeres 01 10 00
Item : the wearing Clothes with 3 skinns 05 00 00 Item : in
Linnen yearne and Cotton wool yearne 01 10 00 Item : 2 Cushins
6s : 1 paire of Bellowes 3s. 00 09 00 Item : 1 Little Baskitt
12d : 1 warming pann 6s. 00 07 00 In the Hall. Item : 1 Brass
Kettle 02 10 00 Item : 1 Little kettle 12s : 1 little brass
kettle 00 15 00 Item : 1 brass possnett (EURO) 4s : 1 brass pott
16s : 1 Iron 01 14 00 pott 14s. Item : 1 brass Chaffin dish 3s
: one skimer 00 05 06 Item : 7 pewter dishes, and some broken
pewter : 1 saser : 2 pewter potts : 1 Candlestick : 1 salte : 1
small bottle : 01 10 00 6 ockum (EURO) spoons, 2 porringers and 4
old spoones. Item : 1 Lattin (EURO) dripping pann : 1 spitt, 1
pistoll : 1 00 10 00 smoothin Iron Item : in earthern ware, and
wooden ware 00 10 00 Item : 1 muskitt Bandleers () and sword 01
00 00 Item : 1 table and 2 Chaires 00 05 00 In the sellar, Item
: in tubbs and Tables and formes 01 00 00 In ye little chamber
: It : one flockbed, 2 blankitts : 1 couerlitt, 1 04 12 00
feather houlster, 2 feather pillowes, 2 bedsteads Item : 3
hogsheads, 2 Linnen wheeles, 1 woolen wheele, 00 19 00 one
Barrill. Item : 1 table, 1 wheele, 1 hatchett 00 05 00 Item :
in working tooles 01 08 00 Item : 1 Leather Bottle 2s : VId : 1
paire tongs : 00 15 00 fier pann, grid Iron : frying pann, one
trammell Item : in Bookes, and Sackes, and Ladders 01 00 00
Item : one Cow : 1 3 yeare ould heifer : one 2 yeare 14 10 00
old heifer, with some hay to winter them Item : 2 hoggs 3 EURO. 03
00 00 Item : in seuerall sortes of Corne with some hemp and
flax 15 00 00 Item : the dwelling howse and out howsing, howse
lott 45 00 00 and Garden. Item : about 6 Akers of meadow, in
severall parcells 26 00 00 with vpland ________________ Summa :
Totalis 142 : 13 : 06 JOHN TAILECOATE GREGORY WILLTERTON EDWARD
STEBBING : _________________

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Genealogical Register of the Descendants in the Male Line of Robert Day, Hartford, Conn.

"It has been handed down in tradition that the family of Day originally came from Wales. This tradtion is undoubtedly correct. In a book of Heraldy , containing the Arms of William Day, B.D. Proviost of Eton College and dean of Windsor, confirmed by William Flower, Norroy, on the 21st of October, 1582, in the twenty fourth year of the reign of Queen Elizabeth, he is said to be descended from the Dees of Wales, viz. being younger son of Richard Day, who was the son of Nicholas Day, the son of John Dee, called by the English Daye. He was the son of Morgan Dee, younger brother of Richard Dee, Welshman"

DEE, signifying, it is said, dark and dingy, is the name of a small river in Wales, and was probably applied to some ancestors of the family, dwelling upon its banks, inorder to distinguish him from others.... and in time, the word Dee came to be written, accpording to the apparent sound, Daye or Day. This name still prevails in Wales and there pronounced as in England and this country (America). Within the first thirty years after the settlement of New England eight persons of the thame of Day are found on the record, viz- 1.; Robert Day, first of Cambridge, then of Hartford,Conn.

Robert arrived in America in 1634 and settled first in Cambridge, then called Newton, Mass. He had a wife Mary who died soon after arriving. He was one of the 100 people who made their way through the woods with Rev. Thomas Hooker to found Hartford, Conn. Robert Day's name is on the monument as a founder of Hartford along with that of William Whiting. His second wife was Editha Stebbins (Stebbing) of Hartford.
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http://books.google.com/books?id=s7Q2KfDG24oC&lpg=PA111&dq=Suffolk%20%22robert%20day%22&pg=PA111#v=onepage&q&f=false
Wills of the Archdeaconry of Suffolk, 1625-1626
By Marion E. Allen, Church of England. Archdeaconry of Suffolk, Suffolk Records Society
Page 111
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http://books.google.com/books?id=gshCAAAAYAAJ&dq=Suffolk%20%22robert%20day%22&pg=PA284#v=onepage&q=Suffolk%20%22robert%20day%22&f=false
East Anglian, or, Notes and queries on subjects connected ..., Volumes 10-11
By Suffolk Institute of Archaeology
Page 284
WILLS OF THE HUNDRED OF ARMINGFORD, GAMES. (continued from p. 268).

CHOTDON-CtTM-CLOPTON.

Richard Conder the elder of Croyden. yeoman. Dated 22 Feb. 1667. Mentions son Richard; daughters Anne, wife of John Day; Mary, wife of Robert Day; Sarah, wife of Peter Brimley; grandsons John and Robert Conder. Proved 9 Feb. 1693.

Richard Conder of Clapton, yeoman. Dated 17 March 1717-8. In indifferent health. To my son Jacob £20 within a year, also £20 in three years, on condition that the said Jacob is compos mentis, and if he is not, or is dead, the £20 to remain in the hands of Jabez and Joshua Conder, hereby appointed trustees of the £20, to be disposed, either for his maintenance if non compot mentis, or, if deceased, to be distributed between his children. To my daughter Rhoda Porter £20, also a joyn bed, bolster and pillows, with a blanket, and a coverlet, and a pair of pillow bieres, to choose which she likes, and also a pair of sheets which she likes best, and the curtains belonging to the said bed. To my son Jabez Conder and his heirs the messuage or tenement in the parish of Bassingborne, freehold, with the orchards, barns, outhouses and appurtenances, on condition of paying the above legacies. Son Josua, executor and residuary legatee. Witnesses :-- Thomas Geeve, John Field, Clement Kinnersley. Proved 24 June 1718. [Richard Conder was the founder of Nonconformity in Croyden. His house there was licensed as a Congregational meeting place 9 Dec. 1672. In 1686 he was presented for absenting himself wholly from Divine service and sermon for six months. Though he laboured for some years without a single convert, he lived long enough to see the present Chapel built and its congregation flourishing. A rector of Croyden-cum-Clopton was deprived for simony in 1695, and his successor (1697 -- 1731) was non-resident, the single Sunday service being taken by the Vicar of Arrington, who received the stipend of 6' 8d per Sunday for his pains. A grandson of this Richard Conder, John Conder, D.D., born at Wimpole in 1714, attained considerable eminence as a dissenting minister and theologian, and was Principal of the Homerton Academy, where he died in 1781.]
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