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Margaret, second wife of Bartholomew de Burghersh

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Rosie Bevan

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Nov 1, 2003, 11:38:38 PM11/1/03
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Since posting this, I belatedly checked the archives and note that Douglas
Richardson has posted that Margaret was daughter of Thomas Gisors of London.

Cheers

Rosie
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rosie Bevan" <rbe...@paradise.net.nz>
To: <GEN-MED...@rootsweb.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2003 3:13 PM
Subject: Margaret, second wife of Bartholomew de Burghersh


> Under the CP II p. 427 entry for Bartholomew Burghersh the younger, it is
> mentioned that his second wife was 'Margaret, widow of (-) Picard'. I
don't
> know whether this has been amended in CP XIV or not, but she was widow of
> Henry Picard/Pykard/Pichard, vintner, alderman, escheator and mayor of
> London in 1356/7, who died after 1363. The evidence for his identity comes
> from the 1366 IPM of Edmund earl of Cornwall, CIPM XII no.109.
>
> [London] "Parish of St Thomas the Apostle. All the land with house
thereon,
> and the rents and appurtenances therof, which he had in the said parish ;
> which land is now a messuage called 'le Ryngedehall' with 4 shops and 2
> gardens. Of these the abbot and convent were seised after the death of the
> earl, and gave them to John de Bassynges, knight, in fee, for a yearly
rent
> of 10 marks. John de Bassynges afterwards gave them to John de Boreford,
who
> gave them to Rose de Boreford, who gave them to Benet de Fulsham, citizen
of
> London, who gave them to Henry Pycard, citizen and vintner of London, and
> Margaret his wife. All the above grants were grants in fee and subject to
> the said rent of 10 marks. Margaret was married by Bartholomew de
Burghersh,
> knight, and they are now in possession of the premises. The messuage is
now
> ruinous and empty through the age of the timber. The premises are held of
> the king in chief in free burgage, as is the whole city."
>
> Henry or Margaret may have been related to the Basings family as Henry had
> the custody of John, son and heir of Thomas Basings, whose proof of age
was
> given in 1363 [CIPM X no.473]. Joan, widow of Thomas de Basings d. 1349,
was
> holding two fees in Empingham, Rutland of John de Moubray of Axeholm in
1361
> [CIPM. X no.144].
>
> Stow in his 'Survey of London', says of Henry Picard that in 1363 he "did
in
> one day sumptuously feast Edward III, king of England, John, king of
France,
> David, king of Scots, the king of Cypress, then all in England, Edward
> prince of Wales, with many other noblemen, and after kept his hall for all
> comers that were willing to play at dice and hazard. The lady Margaret,
his
> wife, kept her chamber to the same effect, etc."
>
> Cheers
>
> Rosie
>
>
>

Chris Phillips

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Nov 2, 2003, 4:09:33 AM11/2/03
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Rosie Bevan wrote:
> Since posting this, I belatedly checked the archives and note that Douglas
> Richardson has posted that Margaret was daughter of Thomas Gisors of
London.


Is there yet another problem with the gateway? Maybe it's just me, but I saw
Rosie's follow-up, but not her original message.

Chris Phillips


ADRIANC...@aol.com

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Nov 2, 2003, 6:20:10 AM11/2/03
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Note that my message on Thomas Browne (-1500/1) which I posted to
Gen-Medieval recently took over 24 hours to get through. This seems to happen from time
to time, at least with me.

Adrian


> Rosie Bevan wrote:
> > Since posting this, I belatedly checked the archives and note that Douglas
> > Richardson has posted that Margaret was daughter of Thomas Gisors of
> London.
>
>

Chris Phillips replied;

Rosie Bevan

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Nov 5, 2003, 3:39:45 PM11/5/03
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Below was my original post which is in the Rootsweb archives, but never made
it to sgm. Since making it I came across a PRO record which indicates
Margaret de Gisors married a fourth time.

C 1/69/154

William Breton, esquire, and Margaret, his wife, residuary legatee and late
the wife of William Burcestre, knight. v. Richard Wakehurst and Richard
Aylard, feoffees to uses and executors of the said William Burcestre.: Manor
of Burwash, and personalty: Sussex.
1386-1486.

Rosie Bevan

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Nov 5, 2003, 8:12:30 PM11/5/03
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Reading through the HOP biography of Sir William Burcester, it looks like
the Margaret in question was actually his second wife, widow of Sir Thomas
Brewes of Manningford Bruce, Tetbury etc d.1395. The author of the biography
mentions that she married afterwards Sir John Berkeley of Beverstone, but
does not appear to have picked up on Margaret's additional marriage to
William Breton, which chronologically appears to have been her third as
William Burcester died in 1407 and she married Berkeley shortly before his
death in 1428.

CP II p.310 covers Sir Thomas Brewes, mentioning Margaret's subsequent
marriage to Sir John Berkeley, but not the one to William Breton, so it
appears that this is a CP addition.

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