branches of Bagrationi dynasty in 1200s
M.Sjostrom
I observe that there must be something seriously wrong with some sources as to the treatment of the Caucasian royal dynasty in such (oddball) sources.
Have such some sources boggled also other things?
An overwhelming majority of standard historiographies and sources consistently mention that the Caucasian queen Rusudan of Kartvelians was sister of her predecessor, the Caucasian king Giorgi IV 'lasha'. And standard material reports their flourishing period, and their birthdates, as such that this queen cannot have been daughter of that king.
I ask: is there some actual newer knowledge that the prevalently reported filiation (= these were siblings) would be incorrect?
and what would be near-contemporary data to support such a point?
The prevalent (and 'standard') knowledge is that Rusudan was sister of king Giorgi IV:
they both being children (born in the 1190s) of queen Thamar the Great and her second husband, king-consort Davit 'soslan'.
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But but but...namely, obviously some source attempted to present queen Rusudan as daughter of Giorgi IV - against the standard view. It would presumably be one of sources listed in below, see:
Russudan
Queen of Georgia 1223-1245
1195 - 1245
Birth 1195
Sex Female
Died 1245
Person ID I00299621 Leo
Last Modified 30 Apr 1999
Father Georgios IV, King of Georgia 1213-1223
Family ID F00253855 Group Sheet
Family Moughir Ed Din, Emir of Erzerum
Married 1224 or 1228
Children
> 1. David IV, co-King of Georgia 1250-1269, King of Imeret'i
2. Thamar of Georgia
Last Modified 30 Apr 1999
Family ID F00125488 Group Sheet
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Sources 1. [S00153] ~Les famillies Princieres de L'Ancien Empire de Russie, Montreuil, 1978., Ferrand, Jacques, Reference: page 181
2. [S01567] Manuel de Genealogie et de Chronologie pour l'histoire de la Caucasie Chretienne, Roma, 1976, Toumanoff, Cyrille
3. [S00148] The Rupenides, Hethumides and Lusignans, Structure of the Armeno-Cilician dyn., Paris, 1963, Rudt-Collenberg, W. H., Reference: tree XIII (Q)
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Georgios IV
King of Georgia 1213-1223
Sex Male
Person ID I00559141 Leo
Last Modified 06 Nov 2009
Children
> 1. Russudan, Queen of Georgia 1223-1245, b. 1195
> 2. David V, King of Georgia 1250-1269
Last Modified 06 Nov 2009
Family ID F00253855 Group Sheet
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Notes
o OTHER TITLES:
co-ruler 1205-1213
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Sources 1. [S00153] ~Les famillies Princieres de L'Ancien Empire de Russie, Montreuil, 1978., Ferrand, Jacques, Reference: page 181
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what source is the one which makes Rusudan a child of Giorgi IV, as opposed to being a child of Davit 'soslan' and Thamar the Great ?
is Ferrand making this claim?
so, I am interested in hearing what are near-contemporary-attested facts that would cause the 'revolution' in this kinship.