new WINGFIELD descent
Paul C. Reed
from peers and royalty, there is one line that has, as far as I am aware, been
overlooked by all the lineage books. I don't know if it has been included in
the new edition of _Plantagenet Ancestry_ (which I am told is now at press). I
thought I would post it here for public knowledge.
1. Edward III, King of England
2. John 'of Gaunt, Duke of Lancaster = Katherine Swinford
3. Joan Beaufort = Ralph de Neville, Earl of Westmorland
4. Edward Neville, Lord Abergavenny = Elizabeth Beauchamp, daughter of Richard,
Earl of Warwick.
5. George Neville, Lord Abergavenny = Margaret Fennes, daughter of Sir Hugh,
Treasurer to the Household of Henry VI.
6. Elizabeth Neville = Sir Thomas Berkeley, of Beverstone, Gloucestershire.
7. Elizabeth Berkeley, daughter and coheir, of the Vyne, Basingstoke, Hampshire
= (as first wife) Sir George Herbert, of Swansea, MP, brother of William
Herbert, Earl of Pembroke.
8. Elizabeth Herbert = William Owen, lawyer, stated to be born 1469 [DNB],
marriage settlement 10 may 1551, died 9 March 1574. William Owen served
several kings, and had attended the Middle Temple, so the length of his career
is a matter of public record. He was heir of the barony of Kemys, so the birth
and descent from his son George is not in question [IPM, etc.]. So this is
just one of those very long stretches between generations which otherwise would
not be believed.
9. George Owen, b. 1552 [when his father would supposedly have been 82], of
Henllys, Pembrokeshire, d. 26 August 1613, Historian, author of the History of
Pembroke, heir of the barony of Kemys = (2) Anne/Angharad/Ancred 'Obiled,'
daughter of William 'Obiled.'
10. George Owen, died 13 May 1665, Pembroke, York Herald = Rebecca Darrell,
daughter of Sir Thomas Darrell of Lillingstone Dayrell, Buckinghamshire, by his
wife Margery Horne, daughter of Bishop Horne.
11. Mary Owen (first wife) = John Wingfield, bp. 25 June 1623, of Tickencote,
Rutland, York Herald, son of Sir John Wingfield by his wife Frances Cromwell,
daughter of Edward, 4th Lord Cromwell.
12. Thomas Wingfield, the immigrant who died in New Kent County, Virginia.
I also have a descent from Antigone to the Baskervilles. The Antigone I am
talking about was daughter of Humphrey, Duke of Gloucester [son of Henry IV].
John Baskerville, clerk, was the Virginia immigrant. Let me know if you are a
descendant.
Paul
Leslie Mahler
What are you doing? This is very bad for business! Youre supposed to
tell them that they
cant have the information now, and they'll have to buy the book! :P
Leslie
Paul C. Reed
Yes, but as _Plantagenet Ancestry_ is already at the printer, they can't use it
for that, and it will probably be some time before their book on Magna Charta
ancestry sees the light of day [as Doug is still actively soliciting
information for it].
The beauty of it is, I will be able to publish these accounts on the web under
the appropriate family at the APSG web site--available to all at no cost. That
should effectively eclipse AR, MC and PA, being of a higher level of
scholarship and at no cost to the public. The other point of beauty is that if
corrections are discovered, they can be updated immediately, rather than
waiting for a new edition to come out and people to have to pay again. Those
books should effectively become obsolete.
Paul
Mardi Carter
mbc
Paul C. Reed
(a) My laptop crashed with all material on it some months ago and my health was
in very poor condition for about two months, and is now just getting back to
normal. [Though of course I now have clients who have been greatly delayed who
are also pressing for my time.]
(b) We still have to finish off issue 10:3 of _The Genealogist_ to get it out
before the end of the millennium.
(c) I want to have a detailed explanation and bibliography of about 100 record
types [such as assize records, inquisitions post mortem, chancery records,
etc.] immediately available to the interested lurker to list what primary
records are readily available to the novice and should be used for English
ancestors such as those we are discussing on this list.
And
(d) The list of Gateway ancestors includes ALL persons listed in the usual
sources [RD500, PA, MC, AR, and even those nasty sources one hates to touch,
such as Blood Royal and the material put out by Michel Call]. I wanted to have
most, if not all "A" and "B" surnames available when the list became public.
This means Neil and I have to complete accounts such as what I posted on the
Abell and Aston lines before.
Paul C. Reed, FASG
proprietor of the APSG web site with Neil D. Thompson, FASG
P. S. Scholarly standards WILL NOT be sacrificed for speed. It is because of
the scholarship in the leading American genealogical journals [TG, TAG, NEHGR,
NGSQ, etc.] that our profession is finally becoming respected in the manner it
should be. We now tend to do much better research on biography than those
'historians' who used to look down their noses at us. The whole point of the
site is to teach all people how to properly conduct the best research that can
be conducted during the 1066-1649 period using English sources. That way we
can build on a concrete foundation, and have what we have done FINISHED once
and for all [until new records or evidence is found or unearthed].
bharris
Looking forward to your site. i descced from Aabell so will bve pleased to
see it.
bharris
bharris <bha...@inebraska.com> wrote in message
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Mardi Carter
becomes available.
mbc
lauras...@gmail.com
Ian Goddard
> John Baskerville is a descendant of mine through his daughter Rebecca.
>
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