George Dunbar, earl of March
dma...@hotmail.com
following would be of interest to participants?
The British Museum's Manuscript Collection has this handwritten note
appended in the margin of a MSS of a larger Scottish History:
The erle of Marchis toume or sepultur in his collaig of Dumbar
Heir lyis Erle George pe* Brytan
To pir iii kinges pat bair pc crowne
Was of pair bluid and of pair kynn
Ane hes gouernit pis land within
Xlviii zeires spaice
And deit pan PC zeir of grace
1415 Scotland, Ingland & Denmark
*for p read th and for z read y.
Translated:
The earl of March's tomb or sepulchre in his collegiate (church) of
Dunbar (reads)
Here lies Earl George the Briton.
To these three kings that bore the crown,
(He) was of their blood and of their kin
And he has governed this land within
Forty-eight years space
And died (in) the year of grace
1415, Scotland, England, and Denmark.
The tomb was removed in 1819 when the church was demolished.
If George died in 1415 then he inherited the earldom in 1367 well
before the death of (great?) uncle Patrick. His English and Scottish
crown connections are clear; what was the Danish link?
Leo van de Pas
Erik X
and he was a 4th cousin twice removed of Philippa of Lancaster, the wife of
Erik X
With best wishes
Leo van de Pas
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John P. Ravilious
Thanks for your message from earlier today; this is certainly of
interest to many members of the list.
That George Dunbar did not inherit the earldom as early as 1367
is well established: he in fact did not inherit the earldom at all.
Patrick, Earl of Dunbar [cousin of George according to many, great-
uncle according to others] resigned the earldom to King David II,
evidently in early 1368. George Dunbar then had a charter from King
David II granting him the Earldom of March, dated at Stirling, 25 Jul
1368 [Dunbar, Proc. Soc. Antiquaries, 26 Mar 1888, p. 190].
If one might date George's tenure of the earldom from that date,
and ignore the 'interregnum' during his forfeiture ca. 1400-1407, his
'48th year' would have started 25 Jul 1415, and ended 24 Jul 1416 [had
he lived that long]. This appears compatible with the text you cite,
dated 1415, from "The erle of Marchis toume or sepultur in his collaig
of Dumbar".
The account in Scots Peerage indicates on one hand that Earl
George died probably in or before 1420, citing the chronicler Bower.
The account does however go on to say that 'This date, however, is
uncertain', and notes cessation of a pension between June 1417 and
June 1418, and a charter allegedly dated 8 Sept 1422 [SP III:273].
Given that George's son and successor was George Dunbar, Earl of
March, care should be taken regarding any non-specific references.
The text you cite has the appearance of validity, and would
appear to assign a death date between 25 July and 31 December 1415
[one might argue, up to March 1315/16]. The other sources cited in
the SP account should be reexamined, in light of your find.
Again, many thanks.
Cheers,
John
WJho...@aol.com
the two is not known.
George called "10th" Earl of Dunbar and Earl of March (in 1373 if not
earlier) who died in 1415 (per your recent message) and his predecessor
Patrick, 10th Earl of Dunbar and 2nd of March (CP states "aged 24 in 1308/9
having livery of his father's lands
may have been cousins. I think we had a long discussion on this recently
here.
However you also added a note that George if he ruled for 48 years started
long before his predecessor had died. I'm not sure that's accurate.
I have two statements on the death of Patrick
Aft 25 Jul 1368
and
11 Nov 1368
He *resigned* the Earldom of March to his relative (called cousin) George.
So Patrick does not have to die for George to start ruling. George was
confimed in that by charters dated 25 July 1368 which fits exactly your 48 years.
Will Johnson
Alex Maxwell Findlater
> is well established: he in fact did not inherit the earldom at all.
> Patrick, Earl of Dunbar [cousin of George according to many, great-
> uncle according to others] resigned the earldom to King David II,
> evidently in early 1368. George Dunbar then had a charter from King
> David II granting him the Earldom of March, dated at Stirling, 25 Jul
> 1368 [Dunbar, Proc. Soc. Antiquaries, 26 Mar 1888, p. 190].
I really do not see why he should not be stated to have inherited the
earldom. What happened appears to have been a resignation and regrant
with a special destination. This was a very common matter with
Scottish peerages and I could quote lots of similar examples. Just
because the mechanism used in these cases was a resignation and
regrant does not mean that the title ceased to exist and that a new
title was granted. Resignations and regrants were often also used to
have a confirmation of the family in their lands.
Why is the normal descent of George from Patrick (m Isobel Randolph of
Moray) from Alexander younger brother of the last Earl Patrick not
regarded as okay? I have never seen any problem with it.
Alex Maxwell Findlater
George, if he had been the heir in any case. There does not appear to
have been a contest between George and the "true" heir, in the person
of another Dunbar. However, if Sir Patrick Hepburn of Hailes did in
fact marry the daughter and eventual heiress of Patrick Earl of
Dunbar, then there was every reason why the Earl might have wanted the
title to stay in the Dunbar family, rather than go to the Hepburns.
Of course later the Hepburns were a proud and prominent family, but
the Hailes branch were junior to the Waughton branch - the article in
SP does not unravel the relationship - and I suspect it would not have
been seen as a "good" or at least good enough marriage at the time.
The Dunbars in later times were notable for always marrying off
heiresses within the name, to consolidate their power block; this was
of course the main reason for (partially) disinheriting heiresses,
usually by a tailzie to heirs male.
John P. Ravilious
Thanks for your posts of this morning (afternoon, in Britain,
obviously). I agree on virtually all points, and especially with the
last post. There are many instances, to which you alluded, of a
landholder resigning lands or title, and having same regranted either
to himself and another (usually a wife, new or otherwise) or to his
heir, and the appearance has long been that George Dunbar was exactly
that. My point was merely that we have evidence of the resignation of
the Earldom of March by Patrick, and the regrant to George, without
explicit statement that George was Patrick's heir.
That there may have been a relationship between Sir Patrick de
Hepburn of Hailes and the last Patrick, Earl of Dunbar seems to be
implied by the order of witnesses in the following charter:
' Charter of Patrick V of Dunbar, Earl of March and Moray,
confirming that
the monks of Coldingham are to hold Ederham and Nesbit free from
all annual
rent, as set out in the charter of Gospatric, Earl, brother of
Dolfin [Misc.Ch.
778] and relaxing his claim for 10/-, one pair of boots and one
skin garment.
Witnesses: Lord Patrick de Hepburn, Lord of Hales, George de
Dunbar, the
Earl's cousin, Alexander de Ramsey, Alexander de Rykklynton,
constable of Dunbar,
Robert Leche, steward, Richard de Ellam, & many others.
Confirmed with the assent of Agnes the countess.
At his castle of Dunbar 24 May 1367. ' {Durham University Library
Archives &
Special Collections: Misc. Charter 793 [Printed: Raine ND App.
CXLII]}
One would be inclined to see George Dunbar, if the Earl's heir,
in 'first position' in the witness order of the foregoing charter. It
is interesting that Patrick de Hepburn of Hailes is found there
instead. This has been discussed on the list in the past, and short
of an ongoing search for evidence to prove/disprove conjectures as to
particular relationships, I find nothing further to add as yet. See
the threads <Agnes Dunbar again>, and <Agnes, 1st wife of Sir Patrick
Hepburn (d. ca. 1402): a conjecture> in the archives.
While resolution has yet to be achieved, that George Dunbar was
descended from Patrick de Dunbar, Earl of March (d. 10 Oct 1308) and
his wife Marjory Comyn appears certain, if not proven as yet. It does
seem most likely (to me at least) that the last Earl Patrick (d. ca.
1368) was the elder grandson of the Dunbar-Comyn marriage; finding
evidence to finally prove or disprove this would be significant.
Cheers,
John
On Feb 16, 6:51 am, "Alex Maxwell Findlater"
dma...@hotmail.com
> Taking the year 1415, George Dunbar was a 7th cousin twice removed of King
> Erik X
> and he was a 4th cousin twice removed of Philippa of Lancaster, the wife of
> Erik X
>
> With best wishes
> Leo van de Pas
>
Thanks for the clarification
David Anderson
WJho...@aol.com
writes:
<< One would be inclined to see George Dunbar, if the Earl's heir,
in 'first position' in the witness order of the foregoing charter. It
is interesting that Patrick de Hepburn of Hailes is found there
instead. >>
Tim responded last year that SP says that Patrick de Hepburn (above) married
an Agnes but "she wasn't a Dunbar". He cited " Vol 3, pp. 250 to 270 or so
and Vol 6, pp. 291-4."
But one possible interpretation of Patrick's charter which John Ravilous
cited 1367 would be that Patrick's two known sons were already dead, and Patrick
de Hepburn was his son-in-law. The next person listed after Patrick, is that
"cousin" [so styled] George to which his Earldom was resigned. So Patrick
whatever his relation, *should* conceivably stand closer to Earl Patrick, then
George did.
Will Johnson
dma...@hotmail.com
> George died probably in or before 1420, citing the chronicler Bower.
> The account does however go on to say that 'This date, however, is
> uncertain', and notes cessation of a pension between June 1417 and
> June 1418, and a charter allegedly dated 8 Sept 1422 [SP III:273].
> Given that George's son and successor was George Dunbar, Earl of
> March, care should be taken regarding any non-specific references.
>
> The text you cite has the appearance of validity, and would
> appear to assign a death date between 25 July and 31 December 1415
> [one might argue, up to March 1315/16]. The other sources cited in
> the SP account should be reexamined, in light of your find.
Thanks John
There is a problem with the memorial inscription - James Miller, the
chronicler of Dunbar (History of Dunbar, 1830) makes no mention of it
and he would assuredly have been aware of it in his youth. Instead, he
refers simply to George's death 'at this period (1417, burning of
Dunbar by Robert Umphranville, governor of Berwick) ... a contagious
fever closed the chequered life of George, earl of Dunbar, at the
advanced age of eighty-two.'
Perhaps, if the 1415 were in Roman numerals, it once read MCLXVII, and
the last two characters were indecipherable. There may be a chance
soon to still find out as a considerable part of the church survives
vaulted under the replacement building and I hope to get down there
some day for a rummage. Dunbar's history society have just completed a
survey of the exterior kirkyard memorials and I'm pressing for a go at
the unseen interior as well.
Cheers
David Anderson
dma...@hotmail.com
Cheers
David Anderson
David Hepworth
has the Call Number/Reference for the BL document?
George Dunbar's life was one of fighting - and swapping sides between
the Scottish and English kings.
There's a very good paper about his activities at the end of the 14th
and beginning of the 15th century at http://www.deremilitari.org/RESOURCES/ARTICLES/macdonald.htm.
Alastair's other published works include a publication of his PhD at
Aberdeen University - Border Bloodshed. Scotland and England at War
1369-1403. East Linton: Tuckwell Press, 2000. Whilst both these works
are re-assessing the nature of the conflicts in the Borders at this
time - they offer a great deal of insight into why George would not
inherit...and this should be taken into account.
I hope that John Ravilious doesn't mind - but here is his ancestry of
George Dunbar as supplied in a private email:
Following are the relevant generations in my database from Patrick,
Earl of Dunbar (great-grandfather of Earl George) down to George, his
siblings, and his immediate issue.
One of the more interesting items which I've not dealt with to
date: the dispensation for Prince David and Elizabeth Dunbar to marry
(1395). It states as follows:
' Reg. Aven 280, 323v
To the bishops of St. Andrews and Brechin. Mandate to dispense
David, earl of Carrick, first born of Robert, king of Scotland, to
marry the noblewoman Elizabeth, daughter of the nobleman George, earl
of March, who although being related in the 3rd degree of
consanguinity and in full knowledge of this fact had contracted
marriage per verba de futuro, since if this marriage were not to come
about grave scandal and dissension would arise.
Avignon, 5 Kal. Sept., anno 1.
SRO, Vat. Trans., iv, no. 65 ' [CPL 1394-1419, p. 45[19]]
Andrew MacEwen has identified George's wife (and Elizabeth's
mother) as Christiana Wardlaw. Her father is as yet unidentified, but
either Christiana's mother, or a grandparent, had to be closely
related (and as yet
unidentified) for this relationship to be valid. That will be an
interesting nut to crack.
Cheers,
John
1 Patrick of Dunbar
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Death: 10 Oct 1308[1],[2]
Birth: bef 11 Nov 1242[3]
Occ: Earl of March 1289-1308
Father: Patrick of Dunbar (<1213-1289)
Mother: Cecilia 'filia Johannis'
Earl of March
of Beanley, Northumberland[4]
' Patrick son of Lord Patrick, Earl of Dunbar ' [ " P. filius Domini
P.
Comitis de Dunbar "], his son, confirmed grants of his father Earl
Patrick in Laynal to Coldstream priory, witnessed by his son Patrick
and brothers John and Alexander [ "testibus P. de Dunbar filio
nostro. Dominis Johanne Alexandro fratribus nostris. "] and others
[Coldstream chartulary, p. 10, no. 14[5]]
'Patricius', together with his father and brothers, entered into a
bond with Robert de Brus, Walter, earl of Menteith and others at
Turnberry, 20 Sept 1286 'to adhere to the party of Richard de Burgh,
earl of Ulster and Sir Thomas de Clare ' [Red Book of Menteith II:
219-220, citing Historical Docs. Scotland, i:22[6] ]
succeeded to the Earldom on his father's death.
' Patrik de Dunbar ', one of the Earls of Scotland attending the
Parliament at Brigham, which confirmed the Treaty of Salisbury with
England, 14 Mar 1289/90 [Stevenson I:129-130[7]]
' Dunbar comes de Marchia, Patricius de (Patrik de Dunbar, comte de
la Marche). ' - swore allegiance to King Edward I at Berwick, 1291
[Ragman Roll[8] ]
competitor for the Scottish crown, 1291/92[1]: following which,
'Patrick, earl of March', one of the auditors for the claim of Bruce
at Berwick, 2 June 1292 [Crawfurd p. 20[9] ]
' Le Conte Patrike ', knight, serving with the army of King Edward I
in Scotland, fought at the Battle of Falkirk, 22 July 1298
: his arms are recorded as
' Gules a lion rampant a bordure argent semy of
cinquefoils of the field ' (Falkirk Roll H 23[10])
for his service to the English service ( record dated at Newcastle-
upon-Tyne dated 19 Nov 1298):
' Appointment of Patrick de Dumbar, earl of March, as captain
(cheventain) of the king's men-at-arms of the castles and other
places, who are in garrison in the marches and elsewhere this side
the sea of Scotland, towards the eastern sea. ' [CPR 1292-1301, p.
372[11]]
he interceded with King Edward I on behalf of his cousin Alan de
Clavering:
record of a pardon for his death, granted by King Edward I at
Wolvesey, 27 April 1306:
' Pardon, at the instance of Patrick de Dunbar, earl of March, Ingram
de Umframvill, John de Moubray and Alexander de Abernithi, to Alan de
Clavering, in consideration of the service of Robert son of Roger,
for the death of Roger de Clavering his brother. By p.s. ' [CPR 34
Edw. I, mem. 26, p.
430[12]]
cf. SP III:258[1]
CP IV:506[3]
Spouse: Marjory Comyn
Father: Alexander Comyn, Earl of Buchan (-<1290)
Mother: Elizabeth de Quincy
Children: Patrick, Earl of Dunbar (ca1275-<1323)
John
Sir Alexander (->1331)
1.1 Sir Alexander of Dunbar
----------------------------------------
Death: aft 1331
' Lord [John and] Alexander, our brother[s] ', witness to grant of
his brother ' Patrick son of Lord Patrick, Earl of Dunbar '
[ " P. filius Domini P. Comitis de Dunbar "], confirming grants of
their father Earl Patrick in Laynal to Coldstream priory, witnessed
by his son Patrick and brothers John and Alexander [ "testibus P. de
Dunbar filio nostro. Dominis Johanne Alexandro fratribus nostris.
"] and others, evidently 1308 or shortly before [Coldstream
chartulary, p. 10, no. 14[5]]
' Lord Alexander, son of the Earl of Dunbar ', father of Patrick de
Dunbar [charter of his son Patrick, given at Lower Ayton, 26 June or
4 September
1331 [Durham University Library Archives & Special Collections:
Misc.
Charter 1038[13] ]
Children: Sir Patrick (-1357)
1.1.1 Sir Patrick Dunbar
----------------------------------------
Death: 1357[1]
charter granted 1331:
' Charter of Patrick de Dunbar, son of Lord Alexander, son of the Earl
of Dunbar, granting and quitclaiming in the Prior's court at Ayton,
on Wednesday after the Feast of St John the Baptist, to Adam de
Pontefract, Prior, and the Convent of Coldingham, ½ carrucate of land
in Swinewood, which he bought from Thomas, son of Ralph.
Witnesses: Lord Robert de Lawedre, Justiciar of Lothian, Robert de
Lawedre his son, sheriff, Henry de Prendergest, Hugh Giffard, John de
Rayngton, Henry de Swinton, Gilbert de Lumsden, Roger de Lumsden,
John de Paxton , and many others
Given at Lower Ayton Wednesday after the Feast of St John Baptist
[26 June or 4 September] 1331 ' [Durham University Library Archives &
Special
Collections: Misc. Charter 1038[13] {Seal: G&B 2811. Attached by
parchment strip through foot of document. Printed: Raine ND App.
CCCCXXXII}]
fought against the English at Poitiers, 19 Sept 1356
identified by Fordun as the father of George, Earl of March (SP III:
270, sub _Dunbar_)[1] ____________________________
~ called 'Sir Patrick Dunbar - half-brother of Patrick, earl of March
' by Penman [David II, p. 93[14]]. This is clearly an error, as
verified by Andrew B. W. MacEwen.[15]
Spouse: Isabella Randolph
Father: Thomas Randolph, Earl of Moray (-1332)
Mother: Isabel le Steward
Children: George (ca1340-ca1420)
John
Patrick (-<1421)
Agnes (-<1378)
David (-<1424)
1.1.1.1 George Dunbar
----------------------------------------
Birth: ca 1340
Death: ca 1420[1]
Occ: Earl of March
Earl of March
deserted the Scottish cause and promised allegiance to Henry IV of
England; directed the English effort at the Battle of Homildon (1402)
[1]
cf. SP III:270, sub _Dunbar_[1]
Thompson and Hansen 13(2):253-4 #1116[16]
Spouse: Christiana Wardlaw
Children: George (-ca1455)
Sir David (-ca1452)
Elizabeth
Janet
Columba
1.1.1.1.1a George Dunbar*
----------------------------------------
Death: ca 1455
Earl of March
accompanied or followed his father in defection to England:
record of complaint by 'George de Dunbarre, son of the earl of
Dunbarre'
concerning seizure of his father's goods at Colbrandispath
[commission by King Henry IV dated at Pontefract, 22 Aug 1407 -
safeconduct granted by King Henry IV of England, dated at Pontefract
castle, 19 Aug 1407 - CPR
8 Hen IV (1405-1408), mem. 11, p. 361[17]]
dispossessed following the accession of James I to power (1424) due to
his father's treason; laird of Kilconquhar
postnuptial dispensation for his marriage to Alicia Hay, granted 9 Aug
1421, due to affinity (she and Beatrix, former wife of George Dunbar
were related in the 4th and 2nd degrees) [Stewart, p. 452]
Spouse: Beatrix (possibly Douglas ?)
Children: Sir Patrick
George
Archibald
Marjorie
Euphemia
Other Spouses Alicia Hay
1.1.1.1.1b George Dunbar* (See above)
----------------------------------------
Spouse: Alicia Hay
Father: Sir William Hay (?1362-1421)
Mother: Alicia Borthwick
Marr: bef 9 Aug 1421[18]
1.1.1.1.2 Sir David Dunbar
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Death: ca 1452[16]
knt., of Cockburn and Auchtermonzie
cf. CP III:510[3] [sub Earls of Crawford]
Scots Peerage[1],
Thompson and Hansen 6(2):149 #558[16]
Children: Margaret (->1498), m. 1) Alexander Lindsay, E of Crawford
2) Sir William Wallace of Craigie
1.1.1.1.3 Elizabeth Dunbar
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dispensation dated 28 August 1395:
' Reg. Aven 280, 323v
To the bishops of St. Andrews and Brechin. Mandate to dispense
David, earl of Carrick, first born of Robert, king of Scotland, to
marry the noblewoman Elizabeth, daughter of the nobleman George, earl
of March, who although being related in the 3rd degree of
consanguinity and in full knowledge of this fact had contracted
marriage per verba de futuro, since if this marriage were not to come
about grave scandal and dissension would arise.
Avignon, 5 Kal. Sept., anno 1.
SRO, Vat. Trans., iv, no. 65 ' [CPL 1394-1419, p. 45[19]]
as noted by Boardman, she received dispensation for her marriage to
Prince David of Scotland, August 1395 (evidently married before
dispensation received); sought absolution for same.
' The political and ecclesiastical assault on the validity of the
Dunbar marriage in late 1396 explains the plea for absolution
delivered by David and Elizabeth to Benedict XIII in the winter of
1396-7. On 10 March 1397 Benedict issued a dispensation to Gilbert
Greenlaw, bishop of Aberdeen, the abbot of Kelso, and the dean of
Dunbar, narrating that David and Elizabeth had applied for
absolution, and granting that they should be allowed to marry after a
suitable period of separation. '
[Boardman p. 203[20], cites CPL, Benedict XIII, 70]
Spouse: David of Scotland
Birth: 24 Oct 1378[1]
Death: 26 Mar 1402, Falkland Palace[21],[1]
Father: Robert III, King of Scots (1337-1406)
Mother: Annabela Drummond (-1403)
Marr: bef 10 Mar 1396, date of (2nd) dispensation[20]
1.1.1.1.4 Janet Dunbar
----------------------------------------
Spouse: Sir William Seton
Death: 17 Aug 1424, battle of Verneuil (d.v.p.)[3]
Father: Sir John Seton (-<1434)
Mother: Catherine Sinclair (-ca1450)
Children: George (->1478)
Janet
1.1.1.1.5 Columba Dunbar
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dean of the [English] king's free chapel of St. Mary Magdalen,
Bridgnorth, by letters patent dated 26 Feb. 4 Hen IV (1403/4) [CPR
Hen IV (1408-1413), mem. 29, p. 435[22]] vacated before 18 July 1410
[CPR Hen IV (1408-1413), mem 7d, p. 228[22]]
~ grant revoked by King Henry IV at Westminster, 19 Oct 1412 [CPR Hen
IV (1408-1413), mem. 29, p. 435[22]]
petition to Pope Benedict XIII:
' Columba de Dunbar, dean of the collegiate church, value 40l.
kinsman of the king of Scotland, legitimate son of the earl of
March. For the hospital of Ruthven, with its chapels, value 30l. old
sterling, void by the
consecration of Henry de Lichton to the see of Moray.
Granted. Valencia, 4 Non. March, an. 21 [4 March 1414/5].
Expedited prid. Non. March. ' [Papal Petitions I:602[23]]
1.1.1.2 John Dunbar
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Occ: Earl of Moray
Earl of Moray
son of Isabella Randolph, as evidenced by dispensation for his
marriage to Marjorie Stewart, mandated by Pope Urban V at
Montefiascone, 5 Id. July
[11 July] 1370:
' To the bishop of St. Andrews. Mandate to dispense John de Donbar,
donsel,
and Marjory Steward (Senescalli), damsel, of his diocese, to
intermarry, they being related in the fourth degree of kindred.
' [CPL IV:85[24]]
noted as serving as squire to Sir Robert Erskine, June 1370
[Boardman, p., 21[20]]
created Earl of Moray, March 1371/2
cf. SP I:16, and III:270, sub _Dunbar_[1]
Spouse: Marjorie Stewart
Father: Robert II, King of Scots (1315-1390)
Mother: Elizabeth Mure (-<1355)
Marr: aft 11 Jul 1370[24],[1]
Children: Thomas (-<1422)
Alexander
1.1.1.3a Patrick Dunbar*
----------------------------------------
Death: bef 1421[25],[1]
of 'Bele'
" In or before 1390 he received from his brother Earl George 40 merks
of land in the territory of Mersington, including a considerable
portion of the parish of Eccles. ' [SP III:260, sub Dunbar, Earl of
Dunbar, cites Laing Charters, No. 81[1] ]
' Patricio de Dunbarr fratre nostro ', witness to charter of his
brother George, Earl of Dunbar to John of Inverleven, dated 10 Aug
1395 [Fraser, Wemyss II:33, no. 24[26]]
fought and captured at the Battle of Homildon, 14 Sept 1402[1],[27]
evidently d. before 1421: his brother George, Earl of Dunbar made
grant to Patrick Dunbar of Bele, his nephew (1420 or before)[25]
he m. 1stly NN,
2ndly Euphemia Stewart
cf. Hume I:263[27]
Spouse: Euphemia Stewart
Father: David Stewart, Earl of Strathearn
Mother: NN de Lindsay
Marr: aft 10 Aug 1412[1]
Other Spouses NN
1.1.1.3b Patrick Dunbar* (See above)
----------------------------------------
Spouse: NN
Children: Patrick
1.1.1.4a Agnes Dunbar*
----------------------------------------
Death: bef Oct 1378[1]
Burial: Newbottle abbey, Midlothian[28],[29]
mistress of King David II, ca. 1369-1371:
' David's intended replacement for queen Margaret was Agnes Dunbar,
sister of George, earl of March. Royal payments to Agnes commenced
in 1369 and these indicate that the king's mistress was in the care
of Sir Robert Erskine, probably in the royal castle of Stirling of
which Erskine was custodian, while Agnes' brother, John Dunbar, was
noted as serving as Erskine's squire in June 1370. ' [Boardman, p.,
21[20]]
had the lands of Mordington, co. Berwicks. and Whittinghame, co.
Haddington as her maritagium on her marriage to James Douglas
marriage to James Douglas arranged to cement alliance with her brother
George, Earl of Dunbar, 1372[21]:
" Agnes, whom George, Earl of Dunbar, styles his very dear
sister, when in 1372 he granted to her the lands of Mordington
and Whittinghame, on her marriage with Sir James Douglas of
Dalkeith,.." [SP III:261, sub Dunbar, Earl of Dunbar, cites
Reg. Mag. Sig., ed. 1814, 117, Nos. 19, 20, 125, No. 31[1] ]
she m. (1stly) John Maitland ;
affiliated with David II of Scots ;
m. (2ndly) James Douglas of Dalkeith
cf. Scots Peerage (Douglas, Earl of Morton; also Dunbar, Earl of
Dunbar)[1]
Thompson and Hansen 12(1):88 #1043[16]
Boardman, p. 23[20]
Spouse: John Maitland
Marr: bef 23 Aug 1369[20]
Children: Robert Maitland
1.1.1.4b Agnes Dunbar* (See above)
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[ASSOCIATED WITH]: David II, King of Scots
Birth: 5 Mar 1323, Dunfermline, Fife[30],[31]
Death: 22 Feb 1370, d.s.p.
Father: Robert I 'the Bruce' (1274-1329)
Mother: Elizabeth de Burgh (-1327)
1.1.1.4c Agnes Dunbar* (See above)
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Spouse: Sir James Douglas, of Dalkeith
Death: 1420[1]
Father: Sir John de Douglas (-<1349)
Mother: Agnes de Graham
Marr: bef 22 Nov 1372[21]
Children: Agnes (->1421), m. Sir John Livingston of Callendar
James (-<1441)
William
Jacoba, m. Sir John Hamilton of Cadzow
1.1.1.5 David Dunbar
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Death: bef 28 Mar 1424[32]
Occ: laird of Cumnock
laird of Cumnock
' George, Earl of March, resigned Cumnock and Blantyre to his
youngest brother, David Dunbar, who obtained a charter of
confirmation from Robert II., in February 1374-5.' [ Chalmers p.
394[33], cites Reg. Mag. Sig., Rot., v, 54 and Rot., vi. 23]
' David Dunbar, brother of George Dunbar earl of March [SP/iii.277-8;
RMS/ii#547] called of Cumnock 1375 [hca/i.353]; Lord de Dunbar [RMS/
ii#547]
children: none [hca/i.353]; Patrick [SP/iii.277-8] - 3 feb 1375
inherited barony of Cumnock, lands of Blantyre 1375 [hca/i.353] -
(royal confirmatn 24 apr 1452) witn charter to Patr de Dunbar de Bele
nephew by George Dunbar earl of March brother [RMS/ii#547]'
he d. before 28 March 1424 (his son then lord of Cumnock - Bain IV:
193, no. 952[32]]
Children: Sir Patrick (-<1437)
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David Hepworth wrote:
> Hi all - it's been fascinating reading this thread. I wonder if David
> has the Call Number/Reference for the BL document?
>
I found it in a detailed index listing of British Library Manuscript
Add 37223, John of Fordun's Chronicle, where the George Dunbar entry
is described as a 'note in a 15th century hand concerning George ...'
and is then given in full. I'd like to see the original to be sure the
transcript is correct, though.
Cheers
David A