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Anne Savage, first wife of Lewis Eyton of Eyton
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J. Sardina
Jan 24, 2021, 1:42:28 PM1/24/21
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Hello,
I have been looking at the Shropshire Visitation of 1623 and several web pages that mention the Eytons of Shropshire, and I would like to know if there is a any proof on the parentage of this Anne Savage, said to be daughter of a John Savage, of Cheshire, apparently a knight.
Assuming that is correct, there were multiple John Savage, knights in the 15 and 16th century.
Lewis Eyton is said to have died after 1506, and he seems to have married Margaret Blount as his second wife.
According to information published in a Facebook page,
https://www.facebook.com/EatonFamilyAssociation/posts/3257578160941593
The John Savage in question was of Rock Savage in Cheshire.
The source seems to be a manuscript
"Shropshire Genealogies" by George Morris, Vol. I. p. 279,
which I believe is available at the Mormons family centers via microfilm.
Has anybody seen that citation?
I am wondering if my Helena Ycson from Lilleshall, living in 1515, but dead by 1559 was in fact a Helen or Ellen Eyton, from Lilleshall, possibly a daughter of Lewis Eyton, or a niece.
I still have not been able to get hold of a copy of the John Cuerton's files at Bilbao, in which he had to prove that he was descendant from gentry on both father's and mother's sides up to at least his great-grand-parents.
Apparently he did get a grant of arms from the Clarencieux King of Arms, in 1558 or 1559, and the grant did include a pedigree on one or both sides going back two or three generations.
Unfortunately, the pedigree is missing from the surviving copy, and his family papers have turned up only the request from the Bilbao authorities to the English authorities, his declarations and the permission to carry out the investigations, dating from 1557 and 1558.
To make it more difficult, his file at the court of Valladolid, where he had to appeal, pre dates the file at Bilbao and doesn't contain the results of the inquiry done at Chester. Apparently he did not have to recur back to Valladolid, once the Bilbao authorities accepted his request to supply written documentation instead of bringing witnesses in person, all he way from England, which would have been almost impossible.
Checking the names of John Cuerton's children I see they repeated Margaret and Helena twice, and John twice. The other names were Maria, possibly after Cuerton's wife, Anna, Catalina and Leonor.
His surviving son was named Luis. Perhaps some of these names were taking from either Cuerton's ancestors from Lancashire, or from his mothers's unknown family in Shropshire. None of these names are very unusual in Castillian Spanish of the time and were in fact used at Bilbao between 1550 and 1600 by other families, but none are Basque. His descendants included several Margaritas and Helenas.
It has not been possible to find connections between him and Chester either. I have been looking through the published rolls of freemen of Chester and so far no Cuertons or Quertons show up in the 15th and 16th centuries. There is a much earlier Overton, but John's paternal family came from Lancashire and seems to have a been a branch of the Keurdens (according to the arms that appear in the grant made to John Moore, John Cuerton's son-in-law).
Would it make any sense if the inquest was done at Chester if his mother's family descended from the Savage of that county? Some of them appear to have been freemen of Chester.
Thanks for any hints,
J. Sardina
I have been looking at the Shropshire Visitation of 1623 and several web pages that mention the Eytons of Shropshire, and I would like to know if there is a any proof on the parentage of this Anne Savage, said to be daughter of a John Savage, of Cheshire, apparently a knight.
Assuming that is correct, there were multiple John Savage, knights in the 15 and 16th century.
Lewis Eyton is said to have died after 1506, and he seems to have married Margaret Blount as his second wife.
According to information published in a Facebook page,
https://www.facebook.com/EatonFamilyAssociation/posts/3257578160941593
The John Savage in question was of Rock Savage in Cheshire.
The source seems to be a manuscript
"Shropshire Genealogies" by George Morris, Vol. I. p. 279,
which I believe is available at the Mormons family centers via microfilm.
Has anybody seen that citation?
I am wondering if my Helena Ycson from Lilleshall, living in 1515, but dead by 1559 was in fact a Helen or Ellen Eyton, from Lilleshall, possibly a daughter of Lewis Eyton, or a niece.
I still have not been able to get hold of a copy of the John Cuerton's files at Bilbao, in which he had to prove that he was descendant from gentry on both father's and mother's sides up to at least his great-grand-parents.
Apparently he did get a grant of arms from the Clarencieux King of Arms, in 1558 or 1559, and the grant did include a pedigree on one or both sides going back two or three generations.
Unfortunately, the pedigree is missing from the surviving copy, and his family papers have turned up only the request from the Bilbao authorities to the English authorities, his declarations and the permission to carry out the investigations, dating from 1557 and 1558.
To make it more difficult, his file at the court of Valladolid, where he had to appeal, pre dates the file at Bilbao and doesn't contain the results of the inquiry done at Chester. Apparently he did not have to recur back to Valladolid, once the Bilbao authorities accepted his request to supply written documentation instead of bringing witnesses in person, all he way from England, which would have been almost impossible.
Checking the names of John Cuerton's children I see they repeated Margaret and Helena twice, and John twice. The other names were Maria, possibly after Cuerton's wife, Anna, Catalina and Leonor.
His surviving son was named Luis. Perhaps some of these names were taking from either Cuerton's ancestors from Lancashire, or from his mothers's unknown family in Shropshire. None of these names are very unusual in Castillian Spanish of the time and were in fact used at Bilbao between 1550 and 1600 by other families, but none are Basque. His descendants included several Margaritas and Helenas.
It has not been possible to find connections between him and Chester either. I have been looking through the published rolls of freemen of Chester and so far no Cuertons or Quertons show up in the 15th and 16th centuries. There is a much earlier Overton, but John's paternal family came from Lancashire and seems to have a been a branch of the Keurdens (according to the arms that appear in the grant made to John Moore, John Cuerton's son-in-law).
Would it make any sense if the inquest was done at Chester if his mother's family descended from the Savage of that county? Some of them appear to have been freemen of Chester.
Thanks for any hints,
J. Sardina
William Acton
Jan 26, 2021, 3:36:54 AM1/26/21
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The Shropshire Archives has a list of Morris' pedigrees online here:
https://www.shropshirearchives.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/shropshire-pedigrees.pdf
If you can spare the expense I would recommend ordering a scan:
https://www.shropshirearchives.org.uk/collections/pedigrees/
Will Acton
J. Sardina
Jan 27, 2021, 9:27:44 PM1/27/21
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On Tuesday, January 26, 2021 at 3:36:54 AM UTC-5, William Acton wrote:
> I have found Morris to be generally reliable, though mistakes creep in for the earliest portions of his trees (C12th-C13th). His pedigrees include snippets of supporting evidence from deeds and other sources, so if he made a positive identification he might quote his source. In his Acton pedigree he quotes a deed which I have not been able to find anywhere else.
>
> The Shropshire Archives has a list of Morris' pedigrees online here:
>
> https://www.shropshirearchives.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/shropshire-pedigrees.pdf
>
> If you can spare the expense I would recommend ordering a scan:
>
> https://www.shropshirearchives.org.uk/collections/pedigrees/
>
> Will Acton
Very good. If there is a way to request copies from the US I will try obtaining a copy of at least the pages on the Eytons from Eyton upon the Weald Moors since there was at least another family of the same surname that appears to be unrelated.
> I have found Morris to be generally reliable, though mistakes creep in for the earliest portions of his trees (C12th-C13th). His pedigrees include snippets of supporting evidence from deeds and other sources, so if he made a positive identification he might quote his source. In his Acton pedigree he quotes a deed which I have not been able to find anywhere else.
>
> The Shropshire Archives has a list of Morris' pedigrees online here:
>
> https://www.shropshirearchives.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/shropshire-pedigrees.pdf
>
> If you can spare the expense I would recommend ordering a scan:
>
> https://www.shropshirearchives.org.uk/collections/pedigrees/
>
> Will Acton
It would be interesting to see how Morris works out the generations from the 16th century since the Visitation may have some errors. I dont think i will find the names of all daughters in each generation...
Looking through the list of families listed in the PDF file I see a line of Curetons. I suppose that line is the one that may have come from Lancashire in the 15th century, like my Cuertons. Though the two surnames are similar, I don't know if they have a common origin. Hopefully the pedigree shows the first generations in Shropshire.
J. Sardina
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