CP Addition: Marriage License of William Willoughby and Lucy le Strange
Douglas Richardson
Complete Peerage states that William Willoughby, 5th Lord Willoughby
of Erresby, co. Lincoln, married before 23 April 1383, to Lucy le
Strange, daughter of Roger le Strange, 5th Lord Strange of Knockin,
Salop, by Aline, daughter of Edmund, Earl of Arundel [Reference: CP,
12 Pt. 2 (1959): 661-663].
Recently I came across a license for this couple's marriage which was
overlooked by the editor of Complete Peerage. It reads as follows:
"Date: 3rd Jan. 1382/3
To Lady Aline, widow of ARoger Lestrange, Lord of Knokyn, for the
solemnization of marriage between William, son of Sir William de
Willoweby, Lord of Eresby in Lincoln diocese, and Lucy, daughter of
the said Lady Aline, in her oratory within her castle of Mudle [i.e.,
Middle, Salop]."
[Reference: William Salt Arch. Society, n.s., 8 (1905): 84].
The license provides the place of marriage for the couple. However,
it appears that the license gives the name of William de Willoughby's
father's incorrectly. William de Willoughby was actually the son of
Robert de Willoughby, not William de Willoughby.
A list of colonial immigrants who descend from William and Lucy (le
Strange) Willoughby is provided below. Lucy le Strange's mother,
Aline de Arundel, was the niece of Alice de Arundel, wife of Stephen
de Segrave, 3rd Lord Segrave, who is the subject of other posts this
week on the newsgroup.
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
E-mail: royala...@msn.com
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List of immigrants who descend from William de Willoughby, 5th Lord
Willoughby, and his wife, Lucy le Strange:
l. Henry & Thomas Batte.
2. George & Nehemiah Blakiston.
3. Thomas Booth.
4. Obadiah Bruen.
5. Stephen Bull.
6. Edward Carleton.
7. Thomas Dudley.
8. John Fenwick.
9. Roger & Thomas Mallory.
10. Elizabeth Marshall.
11. Anne Mauleverer.
12. Philip & Thomas Nelson
13. Ellen Newton.
14. John Oxenbridge.
15. Francis Willoughby.
Tim Powys-Lybbe
royala...@msn.com (Douglas Richardson) wrote:
> Dear Newsgroup ~
>
> Complete Peerage states that William Willoughby, 5th Lord Willoughby
> of Erresby, co. Lincoln, married before 23 April 1383, to Lucy le
> Strange, daughter of Roger le Strange, 5th Lord Strange of Knockin,
> Salop, by Aline, daughter of Edmund, Earl of Arundel [Reference: CP,
> 12 Pt. 2 (1959): 661-663].
>
> Recently I came across a license for this couple's marriage which was
> overlooked by the editor of Complete Peerage.
What are you trying to say here?
1. That Complete Peerage got something wrong?
2. That Complete Peerage left out something they should have put in?
Or what _did_ they overlook?
> It reads as follows:
>
> "Date: 3rd Jan. 1382/3
>
> To Lady Aline, widow of ARoger Lestrange, Lord of Knokyn, for the
> solemnization of marriage between William, son of Sir William de
> Willoweby, Lord of Eresby in Lincoln diocese, and Lucy, daughter of
> the said Lady Aline, in her oratory within her castle of Mudle [i.e.,
> Middle, Salop]."
>
> [Reference: William Salt Arch. Society, n.s., 8 (1905): 84].
>
> The license provides the place of marriage for the couple. However,
> it appears that the license gives the name of William de Willoughby's
> father's incorrectly.
To correct CP's unknown piece of over-looking you produce a report that
is, in one fairly important fact, wrong. How are we expected to have
confidence in this report? Have you seen the original of the marriage
licence? Or even a filmed copy of it?
--
Tim Powys-Lybbe t...@powys.org
For a patchwork of bygones: http://powys.org
Douglas Richardson
> In message <5cf47a19.01122...@posting.google.com>
> royala...@msn.com (Douglas Richardson) wrote:
>
> > Dear Newsgroup ~
> >
> > Complete Peerage states that William Willoughby, 5th Lord Willoughby
> > of Erresby, co. Lincoln, married before 23 April 1383, to Lucy le
> > Strange, daughter of Roger le Strange, 5th Lord Strange of Knockin,
> > Salop, by Aline, daughter of Edmund, Earl of Arundel [Reference: CP,
> > 12 Pt. 2 (1959): 661-663].
> >
> > Recently I came across a license for this couple's marriage which was
> > overlooked by the editor of Complete Peerage.
>
> What are you trying to say here?
>
> 1. That Complete Peerage got something wrong?
> 2. That Complete Peerage left out something they should have put in?
>
> Or what _did_ they overlook?
> > It reads as follows:
> >
> > "Date: 3rd Jan. 1382/3
> >
> > To Lady Aline, widow of Roger Lestrange, Lord of Knokyn, for the
> > solemnization of marriage between William, son of Sir William de
> > Willoweby, Lord of Eresby in Lincoln diocese, and Lucy, daughter of
> > the said Lady Aline, in her oratory within her castle of Mudle [i.e.,
> > Middle, Salop]."
> >
> > [Reference: William Salt Arch. Society, n.s., 8 (1905): 84].
> >
> > The license provides the place of marriage for the couple. However,
> > it appears that the license gives the name of William de Willoughby's
> > father's incorrectly.
>
> To correct CP's unknown piece of over-looking you produce a report that
> is, in one fairly important fact, wrong. How are we expected to have
> confidence in this report? Have you seen the original of the marriage
> licence? Or even a filmed copy of it?
Dear Tim ~
Thank you for your good post.
The abstract of the marriage license I posted is self explanatory. It
provides a more accurate date of marriage and the place of marriage.
This information adds to the account of this couple found in Complete
Peerage sub Willoughby.