Kunigunde of Weimar, dau of Otto (or ?? Wilhelm IV?)
William Marshall
Kunigunde (who married (1) Jaropolk Prince of Wladimir and Turow, (2) Kuno
Count of Beichlingen, and (3) Wiprecht I of Groitzsch) as being
the daughter of Otto Count of Weimar, Markgraf of Meissen (d.1067).
She is also shown as a daughter of Otto on II #130 and VIII #132.
She is also shown as a daughter of Otto on I.1 #13B. But, in I.2,
there is a correction shown for this entry, making her instead
the daughter of Wilhelm IV, Count of Weimar. No source is given
for this correction, and the change is not made to I.1 #144.
Her entry on I.1 #144 reads:
(as daughter of Otto Gf v Weimar and Adela v Lowen T v Gf Lambert II)
Kunigunde, Erbin v Beichlingen d. 8.VI 1140 m1. um 1073 Jaropolk
Pjotr Isjaslawitsch Fst v Wladimir u Turow d. 22.XI 1087 (1086)
m2. Kuno Gf v Beichlingen (Northeim) erm 1103; m3 1110 Wiprecht I v
Groitzsch 1123 Mkgf der Lausitz u Mkgf v Meissen.
The entry on I.1 #13B reads:
Wiprecht II von Groitzsch, ... m2. 1110 Kunigunde v Weimar, Erbin v
Beichlingen d. 8.VI 1140 Wwe ... II v Kuno Gf v Beichlingen (Northeim)
[[previous text: T v Gf Otto v Northeim Mkgf v Meissen]]
[[new text: T v Gf Wilhelm IV]].
The entry on II #130 reads:
Jaropolk Pjotr Isjaslawitsch Fst v Wladimir u Turow *vor 1050 d.
22.XI 1087 (1086); m. um 1073 Kunigunde v Orlamunde d. 8.VI 1140 T
v Gf Otto v O Mkgf d Nordmark (m2. Kuno Gf v Beichlingen (Northeim)).
And, the entry on VIII #132 reads:
Kuno Gf v Beichlingen d. (in battle) 1103 m. Kunigunde v Orlamunde,
Erbin v Beichlingen d. 8.VI 1140 Wwe v Jaropolk Fst v Wladimir u
Turow T v Gf Otto.
There is clearly a correction needed to the corrections; but is it
to #13B or to #144 (and the two other earlier volumes)? What is the
current thinking of her parents? Has it changed recently? And, if
the correction is needed to #144, is it just her entry, or are the
other children of Otto also misplaced?
Bill Marshall
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Peter Stewart
"William Marshall" <w...@research.att.com> wrote in message
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The correction is simply mistaken as far as I can tell - for the relevant
genealogy, accepted without question by thorough historians such as
Karl-Heinz Lange [in 'Die Grafen von Northeim (950-1144), dissertation, 2
vols, Kiel 1958], see Annalista Saxo (MGH SS VI, p. 693):
"[Otto de Orlagemunde] Habuit autem uxorem nomine Adhelam de Brabantia, ex
castello quod Lovene dicitur, que peperit ei tres filias, Odam, Cunigundam,
Adhelheidam...Cunigunda nupsit regi Ruzorum, genuitque filiam quam nobilis
quidam de Thuringia Gunterus nomine accepit, genuitque ex illa Sizzonem
comitem. Post cuius mortem reversa in patriam, coniuncta est Cononi comiti
de Bichlingge, filio ducis Ottonis de Northeim, genuitque illi quatuor
filias. Quo item defuncto, Wipertus senior tercius eam desponsavit." (Otto
of Orlamünde's wife was Adela of Brabant, from the castle called Louvain,
who bore him three daughters, Oda, Kunigunde and Adelaide...Kunigunde
married a king of the Russians and had a daughter married to a Thuringian
noble named Günther [count of Schwarzburg] who with her fathered Count
Sizzo. After whose [Jaropolk's] death she [Kunigunde] returned to her
homeland and married Kuno, count of Beichlingen [Kunigunde's own
inheritance], son of Duke Otto of Northeim, bearing him four daughters. On
his death she was married to a third husband, the elder Wiprecht).
According to Lange, Kunigunde had other children by her first husband,
Jaropolk (murdered on 22 November in 1086 or 1087) - as well as the daughter
of unknown name (sometimes called Mechtilde) who married as above, there
were probably two sons, Jaroslav and Vyachelsav, and perhaps a daughter
Anastasia who stayed behind in Russia. The remarriage to Kuno of Northeim
happened quickly after Kunigunde was widowed and returned to Germany: he was
murdered in turn in November/December 1103 (she must have been a jinx), and
in 1110 at the age of 50 she was forced by political machinations into a
third marriage, to Wiprecht II (not I, his father) of Groitzsch, who died
on 22 May 1124. Kunigunde herself died on 8 June 1140.
ES seems to agree with most of this, but the revision contradicting a
generally reliable source for Kunigunde's parentage seems unaccountable.
Peter Stewart
William Marshall
Thank you very much for the detailed response.
Bill Marshall
w...@research.att.com