Ancestors of Nicholas Longford, Knt., d. 1356
Richard Cochran
Bevan wrote:
"... Mardi Carter, MichaelAnne Guido and myself have just completed a study
of the Longford family ..."
An ancestral line of long standing interest to me is that of Nicholas
Longford, Knt, of
Ellaston, co. Stafford, who died 28 Feb 1358.
His ancestry was covered in "Some Notes on the Family History of Nicholas
Longford, Sheriff of Lancashire in 1413," by William Wingfield Longford,
D.D. in TRANSACTIONS OF THE HISTORICAL SOCIETY OF LANCASHIRE AND CHESHIRE
FOR THE YEAR 1934, vol. 86
Most of what follows is drawn from the lineage shown in the above article
(Meynell information follows Ms. Bevan's last post). Does any of this
correspond to the newest investigations on the Longford family undertaken
by Bevan, Carter, Guido or others?
Thank you.
Richard M. Cochran, Ph.D.
Dean of Library and Instructional Services
Ferris State University
Big Rapids, Michigan 49307
Ahnentafel Chart for Nicholas LONGFORD Knt.
First Generation
1. Nicholas LONGFORD Knt. was born in 1288. He died on 28 Feb 1356 in
Ellaston, co. Stafford, England.
Nicholas married Alice BOTILER, daughter of William BOTILER Baron of Wem
and Ela HERDEBURG. Alice died after 15 Mar 1356.
Second Generation
2. John LONGFORD Knt. of Ellaston, co. Stafford, England. was born about
1260/1270; died in 1304
3. Joan.
Third Generation
4. Oliver LONGFORD Knt. died in 1284. married in 1260
5. Agnes de HORBURY.
Fourth Generation
8. Nigel LONGFORD was born in 1205. He died before 1276.
9. Cecilia de HATHERSAGE.
10. Ralph de HORBURY.
Fifth Generation
16. Henry de LONGFORD died in 1248.
18. Matthew de HATHERSAGE
19. Emma de MEYNELL.
Sixth Generation
32. Oliver de LONGFORD
33. Avice FITZAILSI.
38. Robert de MEYNELL died after 1162.
Seventh Generation
64. Nigel LONGFORD died after 1178.
66. Robert FITZAILSI of Goosnargh, Lancashire
76. Gilbert de MEYNELL married unknown FITZ HUBERT.
77. unknown FITZ HUBERT.
Eighth Generation
128. Nicholas FITZNIGEL died in 1166.
129. Margaret de BUBDEN.
154. Ralph FITZ HUBERT.
Ninth Generation
256. Nigel de (Stafford) GRESLEY.
258. Ralph FITZERCALL.
Tenth Generation
512. Robert I de STAFFORD died about 1088 and was buried in Evesham Abbey.
513. Avice FITZGILBERT.
Mardi Carter
Longford family by Rosie Bevan, MichaelAnne Guido and myself.
1) Sir Nicholas I de LONGFORD
Served on local commissions 1313-1333 (at least). Commissioner of the
peace 1323, 1332, 1333. Knight of the Shire 1323. Going beyond the
seas 1324.
d. 1357
[87:v42p110,113; 613:1313 p21, 1321p18, 1323p382, 1324p428, 1327p215,
1332p286,297,359, 1333p394,401,412,416,443 445, 1337p369,
1343p27,53,175,201, 1344p317,334,417, 1344p396,425, 1345p534,
1346p169,176,186, 1347p15, 1348p118,173, 1349p383, 1350p519,586,
1351p85 1353p164; 1355p229-30; 653:v1p276; 645:1322p461 601, 1324p328,
1327p228 1328p263, 1330p27, 1331p348, 1340p487,524, 1341p82,
1342p385,434,461,615,659, 1343p55,81, 1356p263, 1348p475, 1373p509;
654:v14p95-6; 14:595; 95:Ap27p584; 183:v2p475; 7:63; 652:21Mar01(cites
Cox in "Churches of Derbyshire")]
m. Alice Boteler dau. of William BOTELER, of Wemme and Oversley, co.
Salop, and Ela de Herdebergh. d. 1376
[87:v42p113; 14:595; 652:21Mar01; 478:IPM E.Boteler, D.Cokesey; 7:63;
645:1356p263; 151:pt37v7p259; 95:Ap27p584; 183:v2p475]
2) Sir John de LONGFORD
John Byron had custody of John, son and heir of Oliver, tenant in
chief. Presentation by Walter de Notingham to church of Barleburgh by
reason of king's custody of the land and heir of Oliver 1304. John de
Langford and Walter Goushill held 1 knight's fee in Kinwaldemersh.
Held Longford, Kinwaldmers, Barleburg, Ethelastone at his death.
b. abt. 1265; d. 1302/3
[87:v42p110,113; 652:31Mar01(cites Scutage of 30 Edw I); 613:1283p59,
1304p138; 645:1284p256-7, 1304p165, 1305p231,253-4; 478:IPM
John,OliverII; 644:v58p55]
3) Joan BYRON
[87:v42p113; 644:v58p55; 645:1305 p231-2]
4) Oliver II de LONGFORD
d. bef. 16 MAR 1283
[87:v42p110,113; 652:31Mar01(cites IPM & Scutage of Edw I);
613:1283p59,87; 645:1284p256-7, 1287p450,454, 1291p176; 478:IPM
OliverII; 644:v58p55]
5) Agnes de HORBURY
Occurs 1302
[87:v42p110; 652:31Mar01(Scutage of 30 Edw I)]
6) John BYRON
[613:1283p87; 645:1284p256-7; 644:v58p55]
8) Nigel III de LONGFORD
Of Longford, co. Derby. Commissioner having to do with the king's
forest and Bolesour' 1252. Received grant of free warren in Longford
and Ellaston 1252. Obtained release of rights of estover in his park
at Longford 1258. He and Matilda Gousill did homage for the lands and
tenements held of the king 1259. Made a grant of lands in Didsbury,
co. Lancaster 1260. Involved in a dispute with Henry le Foun and
Sewallis his brother 1264. Order and confirmation for restitution of
lands taken by the king and given to William la Zouche 1268.
Covenanted with Roger de Mercinton and Elianor his wife not to sell
Brentwood wood in Longford without said Roger's permission 1269.
Witnessed an entry in the roll 1272. His manor of Longford was taken
into the king's hand in 1274 by the escheator. bur. 1274
[644:v58p54-5; 87:v42p110; 645:1251p71, 1259p3,382, 1264p343-4,
1268p527, 1272p541; 613:1268p217, 1270p421]
9) Margery
d. abt. 1299/1300
[644:v58p55]
10) Ralph de HORBURY
[87:v42p110]
16) Nigel II de LONGFORD
Philip Marc paid 20 m for having the marriage of Nigel fil Oliver
1218/9. Exempted from being put on assizes, juries or recognitions
1230. Held in Hopwell, one fee of ancient feoffment. King received
homage of Nigel (III) de Longford for the 4 bovates in Goosnargh which
Avice FitzRobert FitzBernard, grandmother of Nigel, held in chief.
b. bef. 1206; d. bef. 1248
[644:v58p54; 652:31Mar01, 3Apr01; 87:v42p109-10; 653:v1p171;
613:1230p142; 664:984]
17) Cecilia de HATHERSAGE
[87:v42p109-10,113; 653:v1p171; 478:O.II Longford; 644:v58p53-4;
652:2Apr01(cites Rot. Fin. 11 Edw I m21 m20)]
32) Oliver I de LONGFORD
With other knights, elected 12 knights to form a great assize 1203.
Henry, archdeacon of Stafford, gave 50 m and 2 palfreys for custody of
lands and heir of Oliver FitzNigel and for the marriage of Avice,
widow of Oliver 1207.
Occurs 1198; d. 1207
[644:v47p169, v58p52; 652:2,3Apr01(cites Pipe Roll #42 r 10 and 63 r
8, 3 Hen III & 7th Scutage 9 John); 667:v4p158; 87:v42p113; 653:v3p99;
478 IPMJohnL]
Tilley [653] claims, citing Lysons, that a FitzErcald heiress m.
Oliver FitzNigel and their firstborn took the name of Nigel de
Longford. Citing Cox, in "Churches" v. 3, he notes that Margaret,
dau. of Nigel de Longford was wife of Nicholas Longford. He proposes
that the words "wife" and "dau." may have been transposed or that the
Longford heiress gave her surname to her son. Citing Earwaker's
"Cheshire", Tilley also says that "the ancestor of Oliver FitzNigel
was a cousin of Hugh Lupus, Earl of Chester; was Constable of Chester,
and held the Barony of Halton."
33) Avice FITZBERNARD
Dau. of Robert FITZBERNARD.
[644:v47p53]
34) Matthew de HATHERSAGE
Of Hathersage, co. Derby. Held 2 knights fees of John de Stuteville
1242-3. d. bef. 1216
[87:v42p109-10,113; 144:v3p62; 653:v1p17; 644:v47p167, v58p53;
628:v4p2; 664:977]
35) Emma MEINILL
Dau. of Robert MEINILL, of Langley Meinill, co. Derby.
b. abt. 1180; d. abt. 1218
[644:v48/9p307-8] (I have not recorded all my evidences on Emma
Meinill yet)
64) Nigel I de Bupton de LONGFORD
Gave aid for marrying the King's daughter as Nigel de Bubenden 1158.
Attested charter of Roger, Abbot of Burton accepting homage of Robert
FitzUviett for the manor of Leigh, Staffs 1177. Witnessed a grant by
John de Boschervill to John de Bachepuise 1177.
b. bef. 1137; d. abt. 1197
[644:v47p169, v58p52; 652:4Apr01(cites Pipe Roll 15 15 Hen II);
665:v3p186; 667:v4p158]
66) Robert FITZBERNARD
Held 1/2 a carucate in Goosnargh.
[644:v47p53]
68) Matthew de HATHERSAGE
Presumed son of William fil Wulfrici de Withington. b. abt. 1168
[652:4Apr01(cites PipeRoll 22 22 Hen II); 290; 628:v4p2; 644:v47p167]
128) Nicholas de Gresley de LONGFORD
Brother of William de Gresley, co. Derby. Granted land in Bupton with
consent of his wife Margaret to Roger with his daughter Felicia's
marriage abt 1140. Founded a Priory of Austin canons at Calwich in
the parish of Ellaston bef. 1149. Attested a charter of Nicholas de
Stafford 1140/50. Kenilworth Abbey received the Priory in Ellaston
'ex dono Nicholai filii Nigelli et Margaretae uxoris suae' bef 1167.
d. abt. 1166/70
[644:v58p47-50; 194:v1p21,279; 652:4Apr01(cites Pipe Roll 15 15 Hen II
(but it seems to indicate that the FitzErcald heiress m. Oliver who is
shown as her grandson here); 29:v3pt2p1009*]
129) Margaret de BUPTON
Apparently dau. of Ralph FITZERCALD. Margaret, as a minor, was ward
of Geoffrey de Clinton who was custos of the see of Chester at that
time. Margaret de Bupton held two fees of the Bishop of Chester.
She, as wife of Nicholas FitzNigel, granted in frankalmoign to the
church and canons of St. Mary of Kenilworth the church of Longford,
situated in her patrimony 1129/9. Occurs 1160/70
[644:v58p47-9; 194:v1p21,279; 652:2Apr01(Cites Pipe Roll #42 r 10);
29:v3pt2p1009*; 665:v3p186; 653:v3p99]
256) Nigel de STAFFORD
Son or brother of Robert de STAFFORD, Domesday Lord of Stafford.
Domesday tenant of Drakelow, Stapenhill, Swadlincote, Foremark,
Smisby, Ravenstone, Donisthorpe, Oakthorpe and "Trangesby; and as
under-tenant of Ralph FitzHubert, co. Derby. Also held manors in
other counties. d. abt. 1115
[644:v47p168-9; 194:v1p279, NSv1p18-21; 627:v1NigdeS; 29:v3pt2p1009*]
258) ??Ralph FITZERCALD
[644:v47p169, v58p47-9; 652:2Apr01(Cites Pipe Roll #42 r 10)]
SOURCES:
7 Burke GENEALOGICAL HISTORY OF DORMANT, ABEYANT, FORFEITED, AND
EXTINCT PEERAGES OF GREAT BRITAIN
14 Dugdale BARONAGE OF ENGLAND
29 Nichols HISTORY AND ANTIQUITIES OF LEICESTERSHIRE
87 Chetham Society
95 DELAFIELD - THE FAMILY HISTORY
144 Thoroton ANTIQUITIES OF NOTTINGHAMSHIRE
151 VICTORIA COUNTY HISTORIES OF ENGLAND - Warwick
183 Clutterbuck HISTORY AND ANTIQUITIES OF THE COUNTY OF HERTFORD
194 Salt COLLECTIONS FOR A HISTORY OF STAFFORDSHIRE
455 CORRESPONDENCE from MichaelAnne Guido
478 INQUISITIONS POST MORTUM
613 CALENDAR OF THE PATENT ROLLS
627 Keats-Rohan DOMESDAY PEOPLE
628 COLLECTANEA TOPOGRAPHICA AND GENEALOGICA
644 JOURNAL OF THE DERBYSHIRE ARCHAEOLOGICAL AND NATURAL HISTORY
SOCIETY
645 CALENDAR OF CLOSE ROLLS
652 CORRESPONDENCE from Rosie Bevan
653 Tilley OLD HALLS, MANORS AND FAMILIES OF DERBYSHIRE
654 MISCELLANEOUS INQUISITIONS
664 TESTA DE NEVILL
665 Cox NOTES ON THE CHURCHES OF DERBYSHIRE
667 Yeatman FEUDAL HISTORY OF THE COUNTY OF DERBY
rcoc...@tucker-usa.com (Richard Cochran) wrote in message news:<4.2.0.58.2001071...@mail.tucker-usa.com>...
Mardi Carter
of the Longford family. This information is part of the collaborative
study of the family by Rosie Bevan, MichaelAnne Guido and myself.
1) Ralph LONGFORD (Sorry, I don't have information about him at hand –
I am far from home and files) b. 1415
2) Nicholas IV LONGFORD m. Alice
Of age; son and heir of Nicholas (d. 1401). Held Barlborough and
Kynwaldmersh among others. Knight of the Shire co. Derby 1404. Order
to appear to answer for divers contempts 1411. Sheriff of
Lancastershire 1413. At Agincourt 1415. Held Thurvaston, Longford and
his heir was his son Ralph aged 1/4 year at his death. b. bef. 1371;
d. 1 Oct 1415.
[605:v3p622-3; 645:1404p366, 1411p163; 87:v42p110; 478]
2) Thomas (clergy)
2) Henry (clergy)
2) Alfred
2) Joan LONGFORD
m. abt 20 Jul 1391. She and her husband were doubly related in the
4th degree.
[605:v3p98,761-2; 194:v17p151; 668:v4p442]
The papal dispensation does not specify the source of kinship,
mentioning only that they married without knowledge of the
relationship. In Chetham Society 42: 113 there is a pedigree showing
Elizabeth Longford (sister of Sir Nicholas Longford who d. 1357) as
married to Thomas Foljambe. If this is the Thomas who was father of
Sir Godfrey Foljambe (d. 1375) she would have been Sir Godfrey's
stepmother presumably, but I have found nothing else about her or this
marriage. Joan Longford's son Nicholas Montgomery married Sir
Godfrey's granddaughter Margaret. If this is the source of the mutual
relationship then the common ancestor would be Sir John Longford (see
my previous posting on this family). I would be greatly indebted to
anyone who can elucidate this situation. Would a stepmother be
counted in the degrees of kinship?
3) Sir Nicholas MONTGOMERY
Of Cubley and Marston Montgomery. Knight by Feb 1414. Served on
various commissions 1414-31. Constable of the duchy of Lancaster
castle of Tutbury, co. Stafford 1414 until his death. Steward of the
lordship of Tutbury 1416-22, the duchy manors of Melbourne by 1420 and
Wirksworth by 1428. Justice of the Peace co. Derby 1419-23. Sheriff
co. Stafford 1430-1, and of cos. Nottingham and Derby 1431-2. MP
1414. Served in the wars in France 1415-6 and was in Rouen for part
of that time in personal attendance upon King Henry V.
d. 27 MAR 1435
[605:v3p98,761-4; 181:99; 653:v1p276; 455:21Mar01; 644:v47p150;
668:v4p442]
4) Nicholas III de LONGFORD
Retainer of John of Gaunt. Commissioner of the peace co. Derby 1381.
Held lands in Killamarsh, Thurvaston, Longford, Hathersage,
Barlborough, Whitwell, Morton, Hasland, Boythorpe, Edensor, Stanton,
Chatsworth. b. bef. 1350; d. 31 Aug 1401
[87:v42p113; 654:v14p95; 652:21Mar01; 605:v3p622-3; 644:v47p145;
478:IPM Nicholas II, E.Boteler; 613:1381p84; 151:pt37v7p259]
5) Margaret SULNEY
fl. 1429
[87:v42p113; 652:21Mar01; 665:v3p188; 605:v3p622; 29:v4pt2p577;
644:v47p45,140,145]
Chetham Soc. [87], Cox [665], and Yeatman in "Feudal History of
Derbyshire" call her dau. of Edmund Appleby and Agnes, dau. of Alured
Solney. From Nichols [29:v4p442] who cites original sources, it
appears that, although Edmund Appleby m. an Agnes Solney, she could
not have been the same Agnes, sister of John Solney, who m. Nicholas
Longford.
6) Sir Nicholas MONTGOMERY
Of Cubley and Marston Montgomery, co. Derby. Knight by Jul 1381.
Served on numerous commissions1377-1419. Justice of the Peace, co.
Derby 1390-1410, 1418-24. Sheriff of cos. Nottingham and Derby 1391,
1406, 1409-11, 1413-4. Constable of Tutbury castle 1403-8. Keeper of
the royal castle of Eardisley. MP 1388, 1411. Served the king in the
retinue of Thomas, Earl of Buckingham. d. abt. 1424 probably.
[605:v3p98,760-2; 181:99; 653:v1p276; 652:23Jan01; 613:1381p84,
1382p139,245, 1384p495, 1388463; 645:1388p656, 1423p65, 1437p116;
194:v14p228, NS v 1 p 271]
7) Anne
m. bef. Easter 1364
[605:v3p760]
8) Sir Nicholas II de LONGFORD
Of Withington, co. Lancaster, and Longford. b. bef. 1333; d. abt 1373
[605:v3p761-2; 87:v42p110,113; 654:v14p95-6; 652:21Mar01; 644:v47p140;
478:IPM E.Boteler]
9) Alice DEINCOURT
[87:v42p110,113; 652:21Mar01; 644:v47p140; 645:1373p509]
10) Sir Alfred SULNEY
Of Newton Sulney, co. Derby
[652:21Mar01 (cites Yeatman in "A Feudal History of the County of
Derby " v1pt 2; 29:v4pt2p577]
16) Sir Nicholas I de LONGFORD (he was #1 in my previous posting) m.
Alice Boteler.
18) Roger DEINCOURT
His ancestry is laid out in the Thurgarton Chartulary by Trevor
Foulds. He was from a secondary branch of the Lords Deincourt, and
brother of William d.1364 who became 9th baron when the primary male
branch failed.
SOURCES (additional to those listed in my previous post):
605 Roskell HOUSE OF COMMONS 1386-1421
668 CALENDAR OF PAPAL REGISTERS, PAPAL LETTERS
RAY Montgomery
Thank you for this post.
How ever I am having a very difficult time understanding it.
You have two different persons listed as 2)
Is the first person listed as no. 2) actually supposed to be instead of
longford a Montgomery whom perhaps my marriage became a longford.
If this indeed is the case, this is something I am not a ware of.
Posted below is a tufel for what i have of the Montgomery, and longford
families. Please feel free to post any corrections.
Sincerely
RAY
1. Nicholas Montgomery of cubley born abt 1425 died 3 aug 1494 married Joana
Haddon daughter of john Haddon Esq.
2. Sir Nicholas Montgomery born about 1395 of cubley died bef 1465
3. Joanna Longford born about 1407 of Longford
4. Sir Nicholas Montgomery of cubley born 1355 died 27 may 1435.
5. Eleanor Cheresey born abt 1378 died 1465
6. Sir Nicholas Longford born about 1367
7. Margary Appleby born abt 1377
8. Sir Walter Montgomery of Cubley born about 1323 died after 1368
9. Unknown (any one know who she is?)
10. - 11. Unknown
12. Sir Nicholas Longford born abt 1310 (am I missing a gerneration here?
This is part that does not jive with what you have)
13. Allice Le Butler born abt 1320 died aft 15 mar 1356
14. Edmund Appleby
15. Agnes Solney
16. Sir William (possibly walter) Montgomery born 1270 died 1323
17. Joanna Stafford born Eggington Derbyshire
18.- 23. Unknown
24. John de longford
25. Joanne Bryan
32. William of cubley Montgomery born abt 1254 died aft 1299
64. unknown of cubley Montgomery born abt 1220
128. William Montgomery of cubley born 1186 died aft 1249
256. Ralph of Cubley Montgomery born about 1160
>From: mard...@yahoo.com (Mardi Carter)
>To: GEN-MED...@rootsweb.com
>Subject: Re: Ancestors of Nicholas Longford, Knt., d. 1356
>Date: 16 Jul 2001 13:52:50 -0700
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Mardi Carter
read:
1) Joan LONGFORD whose brothers were Nicholas IV m. Alice, Thomas,
Henry, Alfred, and Ralph (see below); married Nicholas Montgomery (I
will post the Mongomery line in a fresh thread)
2) Nicholas III LONGFORD
3) Margaret Sulney
4) Nicholas II LONGFORD
5) Alice DEINCOURT
6) Alured SULNEY
8) Nicholas I LONGFORD m. (1) Katherine, dau. of Henry Brailsford
without issue
9) Alice Boteler (2nd wife)
10) Roger DEINCOURT
Rosie Bevan sent me the following which proves Margaret Sulney's
ancestry and more:
[The Genealogist v.20 p29] Derb. De Banco Hillary 16 Edw 4 m 405 dorso
Nicholas Longford, Kt sued Robert Legh the elder for the advowson of
the
church of Normanton
Alured Sulney seised temp E3
|
Margaret
|
Ralph
|
Nicholas
|
Nicholas Longford, Kt the plaintiff
This pedigree demonstrates 2 things (Rosie's excellent assessment).
1. It was Margaret Solney not Appleby who was married to Ralph
Longford
2. As I feared, there are two collateral lines with Sir Nicholas
Longfords.
That is why Longford pedigrees are so confused for the 1400s. Ralph is
brother to Sir Nicholas Longford d.1415
monte...@hotmail.com (RAY Montgomery) wrote in message news:<LAW2-F89AQV6u...@hotmail.com>...
Mardi Carter
note that each name in the list is the succeeding generation.