Names question
Vickie Elam White
in the mid 1500s to early 1600s, which contain a
name that has me stumped. The names are written
in Latin, which is no surprise. So "John" is written
as "Johannes." However, I have seen several entries
for a male named "Johes" or "Johis." Is this "Joseph"
or some other name?
Also, is "Jacobus" Latin for "James"?
Thanks.
Vickie Elam White
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Adrian Channing
> I have been reading some English christening records, dated
> in the mid 1500s to early 1600s, which contain a
> name that has me stumped. The names are written
> in Latin, which is no surprise. So "John" is written
> as "Johannes." However, I have seen several entries
> for a male named "Johes" or "Johis." Is this "Joseph"
> or some other name?
>
I think this is also John, an abbreviation for Johannes?
> Also, is "Jacobus" Latin for "James"?
Yes, as in the Jacobites - supporters of King James.
>
> Thanks.
>
>
> Vickie Elam White
> 10265...@compuserve.com
>
Adrian (Surrey, UK) ACha...@CompuServe.Com
Stewart Baldwin
White) wrote:
>I have been reading some English christening records, dated
>in the mid 1500s to early 1600s, which contain a
>name that has me stumped. The names are written
>in Latin, which is no surprise. So "John" is written
>as "Johannes." However, I have seen several entries
>for a male named "Johes" or "Johis." Is this "Joseph"
>or some other name?
"Johes" is a common abbreviated form for "Johannes". You will usually
find some mark of abbreviation written above the name (and usually by
the "h"). Similarly "Johis" abbreviates "Johannis", the genetive form
for Johannes.
>Also, is "Jacobus" Latin for "James"?
Yes. (It could also be Jacob, but that was a fairly rare name during
the period you are working in.) Other less than obvious ones would
include Gulielmus for William (also Latinized as Willelmus), Egidius
for Giles, Xpoferus for Christopher (the "Xp" actually being a
"chi-rho", abbreviating "Christ"), and Misericordia for Mercy.
Stewart Baldwin
John Carmi Parsons
"Johannis" ("of John"). These abbreviations were used in the medieval period
both to save the scribe some labor and to allow more text to be written on
expensive parchment.
"Jacobus" indeed translates as "James."
John Parsons
On Fri, 9 Jul 1999, Vickie Elam White wrote:
> I have been reading some English christening records, dated
> in the mid 1500s to early 1600s, which contain a
> name that has me stumped. The names are written
> in Latin, which is no surprise. So "John" is written
> as "Johannes." However, I have seen several entries
> for a male named "Johes" or "Johis." Is this "Joseph"
> or some other name?
>
> Also, is "Jacobus" Latin for "James"?
>
Vickie Elam White
Now for a tougher one -- can anyone help me figure
out what feminine name "Toth" could have been?
I think someone misread it (this is from a printed
record rather than the original) and meant "Faith" because
there was a daughter named Faith whose christening
record I hadn't seen but who was mentioned in her
father's will. But I wanted to ask just in case there
really was some obscure name Toth.
Vickie Elam White
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D. Spencer Hines
One need not necessarily find a modern equivalent.
Give us some context and a date.
Cheers,
D. Spencer Hines
Lux et Veritas
--
D. Spencer Hines --- Warriors --- "There is much tradition and
mystique in the bequest of personal weapons to a surviving comrade in
arms. It has to do with a continuation of values past individual
mortality. People living in a time made safe for them by others may
find this difficult to understand." _Hannibal_, Thomas Harris,
Delacorte Press, [1999], p. 397.
Vickie Elam White <10265...@compuserve.com> wrote in message
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Peter Haizelden
be taken in transcription.
Latin Equivalents of Personal Names
In early registers written in Latin, it was customary to Latinize Christian
names, but not surnames. Many were formed merely by adding -us or -a to the
English name. The following list gives the Latin forms normally encountered
for most others .
Aegidius Giles
Agatha Agace, Agas
Agneta (Ana) Agnes
Ailmaricus Emery
Alberedus, Aluredus Alfred
Alecia, Alicia Alice
Alionora Eleanor
Aloysius Lewis
Ambrosius Ambrose
Amfelisa Amphyllis
Amicius Anwas
Anabilia Anable
Andreas Andrew
Anna Anne, Ann, Hannah
Antonius Anthony
Bartholemaeus Bartholomew
Benedictus Benedict, Bennet
Carolus Charles
Christophorus Christopher
Clemens Clement
Coleta Nicholas (fem)
Constantia Constance
Dionisia Dionys, Denyse
Edvardus, Eduardus Edward
Egidius Giles
Emelina Emily
Emmota Emmott
Etheldreda Audrey
Eugenius Owen
Eustachius, Eustatius Eustace
Francisca Frances
Franciscus Francis
Galfridus, Gaufridus Geoffrey
Georgius George
Gilemota Wilmot
Godefridus Godfrey, Geoffrey
Goisfridus Geoffrey
Gratia Grace
Gregorius Gregory
Gualterus Walter
Guido Guy
Gulielmus, Guilielmus William
Hadrianus Adrian
Helena Eleanor, Helen
Helias, Helyas Ellis
Henricus Henry
Hieronymus Jerome
Horatius Horace
Hugo Hugh, Hugo
Humfridus Humphrey
Imania Ema
Isacus Isaac
Isabella Isabella, Isobel
Jacobus James or Jacob
Jocosa, Jodoca Joyce
Johanna Joan, Jane, Jean, Janet
Johannes John
Laetitia Lettice
Laurentius Laurance
Lionhardus Leonard
Lucas Luke
Ludovicus Lewis
Maggota Margot
Marcus Mark
Mariota Marriot
Matthaeus Matthew (Mawe in Yorks.)
Mauritius Maurice
Misericordia Mercy
Natalis Noel
Nicholaus Nicholas
Patricius Patrick
Pero Piers
Petrus Peter
Philippus Philip
Richardus Richard
Seisillus Cecil
Sescilia Cecily
Sidneus Sidney
Silvanus Silas
Susanna Susan
Umfridus Humphrey
Villefridus Wilfred
Vincens Vincent
Williametta, Willelma Wilmot
A more complete list will be found in D.E. Gardner and P. Smith
Genealogical Research in England and Wales Vol. 3, pp.87-92.
__________________________________________
http://www.thenortheast.com/archives/12_Catholic.html
Some Latin Christian names
Adamus Adam
Adria Audrey
Alannus Alan
Alicia Alice
Aloysius Lewis
Amia Amy
Andreas Andrew
Anna Ann
Antonius Antony
Arturus Arthur
Audria Audrey
Bartolomaeus Bartholomew
Beniaminus Benjamin
Caelia Celia
Carolus Charles
Catherina Catherine
Christopherus Christopher
Danielis Daniel
Davidus David
Dorothea Dorothy
Edmondus Edmond
Edwardus Edward
Elena Ellen/Helen
Elizabetha Elizabeth
Franciscus Francis
Fridericus Frederic
Galfridus Geoffrey
Georgius George
Gratia Grace
Gualterius Walter
Guinevra Winifrid, Jennifer
Gulielmus William
Hannor Hannah, Nora
Henricus Henry
Hieronimus Jeremy
Jacobus James
Jana Jane
Johannes John
Jocosa Joyce
Johanna Joan
Josephus Joseph
Josua Joshua
Judia Judith
Juliana Gillian
Lucas Luke
Lucia Lucy
Maria Mary
Martinus Martin
Matteus Matthew
Matthia Martha
Micaelis Michael
Patricius Patrick
Petrus Peter
Phillipus Philip
Radulphus Ralph
Richardus Richard
Robertus Robert
Stephanus Stephen
Timothaeus Timothy
PH
Vickie Elam White <10265...@compuserve.com> wrote in message
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Renia Simmonds
in 1680, of a Troth, daughter of Philip and Troth Saltmarsh. Though
secretary script, I am sure that's what it reads.
Renia
Vickie Elam White
<< In a parish register I have transcribed, I have come across the baptism
in 1680, of a Troth, daughter of Philip and Troth Saltmarsh. Though
secretary script, I am sure that's what it reads. >>
Thanks. Maybe it was actually "Troth" and was transcribed
incorrectly, dropping the "r"
Vickie Elam White
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Renia Simmonds
you my troth", meaning loyalty, fidelity. Think of Faith, Hope and Charity?
Not to mention Chastity!
Renia
D. Spencer Hines
troth means fidelity. It's right there in any good dictionary.
You're welcome, Vickie.
D. Spencer Hines
Lux et Veritas
--
D. Spencer Hines --- "Barney looked at his reflection in his spoon,
first convex and then concave, and thought a moment. 'Dr. Lecter had
perfect manners, not stiff, but easy and elegant. I was working on
some correspondence courses and he shared his mind with me. That
didn't mean he wouldn't _kill_ me any second if he got the chance ---
one quality in a person doesn't rule out any other quality. They can
exist side by side, good and terrible. Socrates said it a lot better.
In maximum lock-down you can't afford to forget that, ever. If you
keep it in mind, you're all right. Dr. Lecter may be sorry he showed
me Socrates.' To Barney, lacking the disadvantage of formal
schooling, Socrates was a fresh experience, with the quality of an
encounter." _Hannibal_, Thomas Harris, Delacorte Press, [1999], p.
87.
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Vickie Elam White
<< I've had another thought about this. Re the marriage vows, people say "I
give
you my troth", meaning loyalty, fidelity. Think of Faith, Hope and Charity?
Not to mention Chastity! >>
I bet you're right. Her sister was named Faith, according to their
father's will.
How interesting, I'd never seen Troth as a name before.
Vickie Elam White
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Chris Dickinson
"
I bet you're right. Her sister was named Faith, according
to their
father's will.
How interesting, I'd never seen Troth as a name before.
"
Well, at least (I hope) no sister was named Submit, as I've
seen on one occasion.
Chris
John Steele Gordon
> I bet you're right. Her sister was named Faith, according
> to their father's will. How interesting, I'd never seen Troth as a name before.
> Well, at least (I hope) no sister was named Submit, as I've
> seen on one occasion.
The children of Thomas Starr (b. abt 1567 in New Romney, Kent; d. Mar 2
1640/1 in Dorchester, Mass) and his wife Susanna ----------:
Jehosephat Starr
Comfort Starr
Nostrength Starr
Moregifte Starr
William Starr
Mercy Starr
Constant Starr
Suretrust Starr
Thomas Starr
Standwell Starr
Judith Starr
Joyfoole Starr
Truthshallprevayl Starr
Constante Starr
Anne Starr
Mary Starr
Beloved Starr
My favorite is Constant Starr, but I'm mighty glad I wasn't named
Truthshallprevayl Steele Gordon
D. Spencer Hines
Not To Worry.
There was never a ghost of a chance for that egregious misnomer to
have been applied to the chap we know today as --- John Steele Gordon.
I give you my troth on that.
Rest Easy.
D. Spencer Hines
Lux et Veritas
Fortem Posce Animum
--
D. Spencer Hines --- "Barney looked at his reflection in his spoon,
first convex and then concave, and thought a moment. 'Dr. Lecter had
perfect manners, not stiff, but easy and elegant. I was working on
some correspondence courses and he shared his mind with me. That
didn't mean he wouldn't _kill_ me any second if he got the chance ---
one quality in a person doesn't rule out any other quality. They can
exist side by side, good and terrible. Socrates said it a lot better.
In maximum lock-down you can't afford to forget that, ever. If you
keep it in mind, you're all right. Dr. Lecter may be sorry he showed
me Socrates.' To Barney, lacking the disadvantage of formal
schooling, Socrates was a fresh experience, with the quality of an
encounter." _Hannibal_, Thomas Harris, Delacorte Press, [1999], p.
87.
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Vickie Elam White
<< My favorite is Constant Starr, but I'm mighty glad I wasn't named
Truthshallprevayl Steele Gordon >>
LOL! There were many unusual names at that time. I recall
a couple -- Fie-fornication and Fight-the-Good-Fight are two
of my favorites. One of my husband's ancestors was named
Thank-the-Lord Perkins.
Vickie Elam White
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Anne V. Gilbert
John Steele Gordon <JSGGen...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
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> Chris Dickinson wrote:
> The children of Thomas Starr (b. abt 1567 in New Romney, Kent; d. Mar 2
> 1640/1 in Dorchester, Mass) and his wife Susanna ----------:
>
> Jehosephat Starr
> Comfort Starr
> Nostrength Starr
> Moregifte Starr
> William Starr
> Mercy Starr
> Constant Starr
> Suretrust Starr
> Thomas Starr
> Standwell Starr
> Judith Starr
> Joyfoole Starr
> Truthshallprevayl Starr
> Constante Starr
> Anne Starr
> Mary Starr
> Beloved Starr
It sounds like the guy was a dyed in the wool Puritan, otherwise he wouldn't
have given his kids names like Truthshallprevayl. It must have been, well,
interesting for the kids, growing up, even in those days.
Anne(no Starr)Gilbert
P. Marin-Guzman
<D._Spence...@aya.yale.edu> wrote:
> "Troth" or a Biblical "Toth"?
>
> One need not necessarily find a modern equivalent.
>
> Give us some context and a date.
Troth is a feminine name adopted in the 17th Century and often retained in
the family right through to the present time.
Sir Thomas Tempest's wife was Troth Tempest.
I've not come across Toth as a 'christian' name.
P.Marín-Guzmán
>
> Cheers,
>
> D. Spencer Hines
>
> Lux et Veritas
> --
>
> D. Spencer Hines --- Warriors --- "There is much tradition and
> mystique in the bequest of personal weapons to a surviving comrade in
> arms. It has to do with a continuation of values past individual
> mortality. People living in a time made safe for them by others may
> find this difficult to understand." _Hannibal_, Thomas Harris,
> Delacorte Press, [1999], p. 397.
>
> Vickie Elam White <10265...@compuserve.com> wrote in message
> news:199907092223_...@compuserve.com...
Stewart Baldwin
White) wrote:
>Renia,
>
><< I've had another thought about this. Re the marriage vows, people say "I
>give
>you my troth", meaning loyalty, fidelity. Think of Faith, Hope and Charity?
>Not to mention Chastity! >>
>
>I bet you're right. Her sister was named Faith, according to their
>father's will.
>How interesting, I'd never seen Troth as a name before.
>
>
>Vickie Elam White
>10265...@compuserve.com
>
Since you know from the will that there was a daughter Faith, I think
that a more likely scenario would be that the parish register said
"Faith", but that it was misread as "Toth" by the transcriber. After
all, capitals "T" and "F" look a lot alike in many handwritings. Of
course, the best thing to do, if possible, would be to check the
original instead of relying on somebody else's transcription.
Stewart Baldwin
DavidBotts
How about Howard County Boone, born in Howard County, father of Howard County
Boone, Jr.?
David Zincavage
house named: Howlong Harris, presumably as in: "How long, O Lord?"
Harris. Probably a cousin of: If Christ Had Not Died For Thy Sins
Thou Shouldst Be Damned Forever Barebones, all-time record holder.
On Sat, 10 Jul 1999 16:30:45 -0400, John Steele Gordon
<JSGGen...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>Chris Dickinson wrote:
>
>> I bet you're right. Her sister was named Faith, according
>> to their father's will. How interesting, I'd never seen Troth as a name before.
>
>> Well, at least (I hope) no sister was named Submit, as I've
>> seen on one occasion.
>
>The children of Thomas Starr (b. abt 1567 in New Romney, Kent; d. Mar 2
>1640/1 in Dorchester, Mass) and his wife Susanna ----------:
>
>Jehosephat Starr
>Comfort Starr
>Nostrength Starr
>Moregifte Starr
>William Starr
>Mercy Starr
>Constant Starr
>Suretrust Starr
>Thomas Starr
>Standwell Starr
>Judith Starr
>Joyfoole Starr
>Truthshallprevayl Starr
>Constante Starr
>Anne Starr
>Mary Starr
>Beloved Starr
>
John Steele Gordon
>
> Killed in King Phillip's War was a relative of one of the owners of my
> house named: Howlong Harris, presumably as in: "How long, O Lord?"
> Harris. Probably a cousin of: If Christ Had Not Died For Thy Sins
> Thou Shouldst Be Damned Forever Barebones, all-time record holder.
One of my alltime favorite I'm-glad-that's-not-my-name names was a
worker on my uncle's sugar plantation in Cuba (pre-Castro, obviously).
His name was Jesus Sangre de Maria O'Reilly.
JSG
Leo van de Pas
even today. I have been involved with airline work and there is
a special airline 'service' in Australia "The Flying Doctor".
When someone in the outback needs urgent transport to doctors
or hospitals they are ready to provide that service. One day
they transported a seriously ill aborigine, his name?
Potato Gollywog.
Best wishes
Leo van de Pas
Vickie Elam White
<< Of
course, the best thing to do, if possible, would be to check the
original instead of relying on somebody else's transcription. >>
Of course, but I had to start somewhere, and the
published transcription was handy. <G>
And I have now found Faith's christening record, so it was
almost definitely Troth. But I will look at the originals when
possible..... someday. <G>
Thanks for your message.
Vickie Elam White
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