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Re: Small RPA / MCA addition: Identity of the father of RobertA Nelson (Nelson to New England line)

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Douglas Richardson

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Feb 23, 2006, 1:46:40 PM2/23/06
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Dear John ~

Thank you for posting the information about the immigrant, John Nelson,
of Boston, Massachusetts and his family. Much appreciated. I
especially enjoyed seeing the portrait of John Nelson in the Saunders
book.

Best always., Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City. Utah

Website: www.royalancestry.net

John Brandon wrote:
> Portrait of John Nelson of Boston ...
>
> http://books.google.com/books?ie=UTF-8&vid=ISBN0300042582&id=Wklq3JItYOgC&pg=PA175&lpg=PA175&dq=daniel+henchman&vq=temple&sig=caa_cemCqITwBiXGcSf5AQxTNI0
>
> Starchy looking, isn't he ...?

Douglas Richardson

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Feb 23, 2006, 2:55:02 PM2/23/06
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Dear John ~

Here is an additional link to information in Dedham Historical
Register, volume 1, pp. 131-132 (published 1890) regarding the
immigrant, John Nelson, and his wife, Elizabeth, daughter of William
Taylor:

http://books.google.com/books?ie=UTF-8&vid=LCCN05032203&id=QYUg7ThPFTsC&dq=John+Nelson+William+Tailer&lpg=PA130&pg=PA130

Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City., Utah

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Douglas Richardson

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Feb 24, 2006, 1:37:50 PM2/24/06
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Dear John ~

Thank you for sharing these details about the Nelson family. Much
appreciated.

I show that a Mary, wife of Robert Nelson, of St. Margaret's
Westminster, gentleman, was suspected of being a papist in 1678
[Reference: Jeaffreson, Middlesex County Records, 4 (1892): 112]. I
believe this is probably Mary Temple, wife of Robert Nelson, Esq. If
so, I doubt that Mary (Temple) Nelson died in 1669, as stated in Mr.
Johnson's book. All the same, I learned a long time ago that one has
to be extremely careful identifying people in London records, as there
are often multiple individuals with the same wive's names living at the
same time in London. As such, Mr. Johnson could well be right that
Mary (Temple) Nelson died in 1669. If so, then the Mary Nelson who was
a suspected papist in 1678 would obviously be a different woman.

Mr. Johnson is correct in stating that there is a will for a Robert
Nelson, Esq., of St. Anne's, Westminster, Middlesex dated September
1696, probated 4 August 1698. Checking online databases, it appears
that this man is generally thought to be the father of the immigrant,
John Nelson. The probate act book, however, states that Robert Nelson
was a resident of St. Martin-in-the-Fields, Middlesex. If so, this
Robert Nelson was probably living in St. Anne's in 1696, when he made
his will, and living in St. Martin-in-the-Fields in 1698 when he died.
The testator names his wife, Susan (not Susanna), and his mother, Helen
Nelson. No children are named in the will. In a short codicil, he
mentions of judgement of £1200 "from my son," whose name is not given.
Also, it is unclear if the mother, Helen Nelson, was living at the
date of this will. The testator mentions that he was heir at law to a
house in Long Acre in Middlesex, which might well have belonged to his
mother. It's possible that Mr. Johnson is correct that this Robert
Nelson is the father of the immigrant, John Nelson, of Boston,
Massachusetts. But, if so, it is strange that Robert Nelson is not
mentioned in the will of his other son, Temple Nelson, proved in 1671.
Temple Nelson's will mentions only his sister, Margaret Nelson, his
kinsman, John Fiennes, Esq. (whose mother was a Temple), and Thomas
Fiennes son of his kinsman, John Fiennes.

I have yet to determine how or why Margaret Nelson, daughter of Robert
and sister of Temple, came to Virginia and married Rev. Thomas Teackle,
of Accomack County, Virginia. However, I note among her descendants
there is a Temple Nelson Robins, which name is highly suggestive.
There was supposedly a Provis Nelson who resided in early Accomack
County. This individual is identified in some databases as the brother
of Robert Nelson who married Mary Temple. If so, then Margaret
(Nelson) Teackle may have come to Virginia to live with her uncle's
family.

When you have a moment, John, perhaps you can share some more details
from Mr. Johnson's book, and tell us what documentation he has that
Mary (Temple) Nelson died in 1669, and also what documentation exists
that Robert Nelson, Esq., who left a will proved in 1698 is the
immigrant's father.

Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah

Website: www.royalancestry.net

John Brandon wrote:
> Richard Johnson's books adds a few other details ...
>
> Robert and Mary Nelson had another son, Robert, who probably died young
> (John was the sole surviving son named in his father's will); and
> another daughter Ursula.
>
> Mary died in 1669.
>
> Robert married 2nd to Susanna ___; his will, proved in 1698, mentions
> his "deare and kind wife Susanna to whom my love and affection is so
> great that I cannot reward her too much."
>
> John Nelson was "the seven-hundredth (and last) direct descendant of
> his mother's grandmother, Lady Hester Temple, born during her
> lifetime."
>
> (See p. 18).

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Douglas Richardson

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Feb 24, 2006, 3:33:11 PM2/24/06
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Dear John ~

Below are two records in the A2A Catalogue which involve the immigrant,
John Nelson's father, Robert Nelson, of Gray's Inn, Middlesex. One of
these documents is dated 1654/5, the other in 1686. These records seem
to prove that Robert Nelson, Esq., of Gray's Inn, was still living in
1686. The second document bears the signature of Robert Nelson.

Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah

Website: www.royalancestry.net

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Source: A2A Catalogue (http://www.a2a.org.uk/search/index.asp)

Hertfordshire Archives and Local Studies: Artificial collection of
title deeds and estate papers including court rolls of several
Hertfordshire manors, together with title deeds of the Hertfordshire
estate of Lord Winterton of Shillinglee Park, West Sussex

Reference: DE/Z120/44454
Lease for 99 years

Creation dates: 19 Jan 1654-5

Physical characteristics: Signature and seal torn away

Scope and Content

By Susan Poulton of Twickenham, Middx, widow, to Robert Nelson of Grays
Inn, Middx, esq, of her third part of the manors, rectories etc late of
Francis Poulton, esq, her late husband, which had been allotted to her
after bringing a writ of dower against William Poulton, her son (Manors
of Pirton and Ickleford)

2. Reference: DE/Z120/44458

Quit-claim

Creation dates: 10 June 1686

Physical characteristics: Seal cut off

Scope and Content

By Robert Nelson of Gray's Inn, Middx, esq, to Sir Anthony Deane of
Crutched Friars, London, kt, of an annuity out of the glebe lands of
the Rectory of Pirton formerly granted to Robert Nelson by Thomas
White. Sir Anthony Deane having lately purchased the manor of Pirton
and the Rectory, glebe lands etc.

Signature

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Douglas Richardson

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Feb 24, 2006, 6:48:52 PM2/24/06
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Dear John ~

Here are two more items from the A2A Catalogue which concern Robert
Nelson, Esq., of St. Martins in the Field, and one for a Robert Nelson,
Esq., of London. I assume these records are for the same person who
appears in other records as Robert Nelson, Esq., of Gray's Inn.

Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah

Website: www.royalancestry.net

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#1. London Metropolitan Archives: Berkeley Family and Estates,
Reference: ACC/0530/ED/01/047

Former Reference: Originally bundle 103
Demise for 1,000 years: (1)a, (2)a & b at direction of (1)b & (1)b. to
(3) a-d

Creation dates: 27 Aug 1688

Scope and Content

To secure payment of £5,000 and interest to be held in trust for (4) a
& b.

(1)a. Rt.Hon. George Earl of Berkeley and b. Elizabeth his wife.

(2)a. Hon. Ralph Widdrington of St. Giles in the Fields, Esq.,

b. Sir Edward Atkyns knt., Lord Chief Baron of the Exchequer.

(3)a. Sir William Turnor of London, knt.

b. Rev. John Tillotson, D.D. and Dean of Canterbury.

c. Robert Nelson of St. Martin in the Fields, Esq.,

d. John Conyers of the Middle Temple, Esq.

(4)a. Rt. Hon. Charles Lord Clifford, son and heir apparent of the Rt.
Hon. Richard Earl of Burlington and Cork and Lord High Treasurer of
Ireland.

b. Arethusa wife of said Lord Clifford and one of the daughters of
(1)a.

[Recites: (2) a & b seized of property below (charged only with a term
of 60 years granted to (1)a in trust for (1)b.

Marriage settlement of (4)a & b, dated 25 Feb. 1688]

Property as in ACC/0530/ED/01/036.

Seals: (1)a & b, (2) a & b


#2. London Metropolitan Archives: Berkeley Family and Estates,
Reference: ACC/0530/ED/01/054

Former Reference: Originally bundle 103
Assignment of residue of term of 1000 years: (3) a & b at the direction
of (2) and (1) a & b and (2) at the direction of (1) a and b. to (4)
for £3,800 from (4) to (2) and £200 from (1)b to (2)

Creation dates: 16 Oct 1695

Scope and Content

Includes

Agreement: (4) and (1)a & b that (4) will reconvey to (6) a & b., in
trust for (1)b on payment of £3,990.

(1)a. Rt.Hon. George, Earl of Berkeley and b. Elizabeth his wife.

(2) Rt. Hon. Lady Arethusa Dowager Clifford, widow of the Hon. Charles
Lord Clifford decd. and one of the daughters of (1)a.

(3)a. Robert Nelson of St. Martin in the Fields, Esq.

b. John Conyers of the Middle Temple, Esq.

(4) Sir John Chardin of Turnham Green, knt.

(5)a. Andrew Card of Grays Inn, gent.

b. Joseph Micklethwaite of London, gent.

(6)a. Hon. Ralph Widdrington of St. Giles in the Fields, Esq.

b. Sir Edward Atkyns knt., sergeant-at-law.

[Recites: Marriage Settlement, dated 25 Feb. 1688, of (2) and Lord
Clifford.

ACC/0530/ED/01/047

£1,000 of the £5,000 was paid to Clifford bar £4,000 (...)

William Turnor and John Tillotson (see ACC/0530/ED/01/047) now dead].

Property in ACC/0530/ED/01/036.

Endorsed: (1) Memo. that every skin of this indenture is stamped in
accordance with the act of Parliament.

(2) Receipt for £200: Chardin to the Earl & Countess of Berkeley.
16.Dec.1696.

(3) and (4) Further charges [see separate items] Aug. and Dec.1698.

Seals: (1)-(4), (5)a. & (6)a.

Original Bundle 103.

Endorsement 3: 3 Aug. 1698. Further charge of £400 by (1) on the
property within mentioned. £200 of the original principle sum of
£3,800 having been repaid. £4,000 in all is now due. Interest at 5½%

(1) Earl and Countess of Berkeley.

(2) John Chardin.

Originally bundle 103.

Seals: (2)

Endorsement 4: 16 Dec 1693. Further charge of £1,000 by (1), on the
property within mentioned making £5,000 in all, at 5% interest.

(Earl of Berkeley recently deceased).

(1) Dowager Countess of Berkeley.

(2) John Chardin.

Seals: (2)

#3. London Metropolitan Archives: Heames, Thomas, fl 1736, Reference:
ACC/0241/022

Copy of Court Roll.

Creation dates: 1691

Scope and Content

Surrender by 1 in favour of 2, as security for payment of £1680.

Parties:-

1. John Bathurst.

2. Robert Nelson of London, Esquire.

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Renia

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Feb 24, 2006, 8:47:44 PM2/24/06
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Conyers is a Yorkshire family. Nelson is a predominant name in
Yorkshire. Just my 2 cents . . .

Renia

Renia

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Feb 24, 2006, 8:46:49 PM2/24/06
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John Brandon wrote:

> I suppose the will of RobertB Nelson could be checked (PCC 8 Campbell;
> proved 31 Jan. 1642).

Nothing on PRO.

Douglas Richardson

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Feb 25, 2006, 1:13:38 PM2/25/06
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Dear John ~

The will of Robert Nelson which you mentioned is indeed recorded in
Prerogative Court of Canterburty (PCC), 8 Cambell, and can be viewed on
FHL Microfilm 92152. The will is dated 14 Dec. 1641, and was proved 31
Jan. 1641/2 by the testator's widow, Hellen Nelson. In the will, the
testator identifies himself as Robert Nelson, of Barnard's Inn, London,
gentleman. He requests burial in the parish church of St. Dunstan's in
the West. He names his wife, Hellen, his sole executrix, and refers to
his eldest son, Robert. No other relatives are mentioned.

An internet website
(http://ghotes.net/WILKINS1/jarvis/elizabethrobins.htm) states that the
above Robert Nelson was buried at St. Dunstan's in the West 21 December
1641. This date is probably correct, but needs verification with the
original parish records.

Robert Nelson and his wife, Helen, are believed to have had at least
two sons, Robert Nelson, Esq. (died 1698), of Gray's Inn (father of the
immigrant, John Nelson) and Provost (or Provis) Nelson, who immigrated
to Accomack County, Virginia. Interestingly, I find that Boyd's
Marriage Index shows the marriage of Robert Nelson and Ellen Provost in
1609 in the parish of St. Peter Westcheap, London [Reference: Percival
Boyd, Boyd's Marriage Index, London, 33: 199 (Brides); 36: 149
(Grooms)]. Again, this date is probably correct, but needs
verification with the original parish records.

In the next generation, you mentioned finding the baptisms of three
Nelson children in the International Genealogical Index at St.
Martin-in-the-Field, Westminster, Middlesex. The original parish
registers on FHL Microfilms 560369 & 560370 show the following entries:

Edmund, son of Robert & Mary Nelson, baptized 28 October 1649.
Robert, son of Robert Nelson, Esq. & Mary, baptized 21 Dec. 1651.
Henry, son of Robert Nelson, Esq., baptized 1 August 1656.

Inasmuch as Robert Nelson is twice styled "Esquire" in these records, I
think we can safely assume that he is the same person as Robert Nelson,
Esquire (died 1698), of Gray's Inn who was the father of the immigrant,


John Nelson, of Boston, Massachusetts.

Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah

Website: www.royalancestry.net

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Douglas Richardson

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Feb 26, 2006, 4:30:43 PM2/26/06
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Dear John ~

I doubt very much that Helen (Provost) Nelson was living in 1696, when
her son, Robert Nelson, Esq., made his will. The way the will is
written, it is unclear if Helen was still living, as her son doesn't
leave her an outright bequest as would be typical if she was living.

According to one helpful web site I consulted this past week
(http://www.esva.net/ghotes/WILKINS/jarvis/elizabethrobins.htm), Helen
(Provost) Nelson was living in 1678. If correct, Helen Nelson
certainly lived to advanced years, as she was married back in 1609.
However, even this statement needs verification.

Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah

Website: www.royalancestry.net

John Brandon wrote:
< Helen Nelson must have been somewhat over 100 years of age when her
son
< made his will in 1696!
<
< If she married at 14 or 15 (born 1594 or '95), she would have been
101
< or 102 in 1696. She may not have lived 'til 1698, come to think of
it.

Douglas Richardson

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Feb 26, 2006, 4:36:04 PM2/26/06
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Dear John ~

Here is another child for Robert Nelson, Esq. (died 1698), and his
wife, Mary Temple:

Mary Nelson, daughter of Robert Nelson, Gent., and Mary, baptized at
St. James, Clerkenwell 1 April 1642 [Reference: Hovenden, True Register
of ... Parishe of St. James, Clarkenwall 1 (Harl. Soc. Reg. Series 9)
1884): 150].

Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah

Website: www.royalancestry.net

John Brandon wrote:
< Good work, Doug. You're really fleshing out this family.

Douglas Richardson

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Feb 26, 2006, 4:59:10 PM2/26/06
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Dear John ~

Below is a new Magna Carta descent for the immigrant, John Nelson, of
Boston, Massachusetts, and also for his sister, Margaret (Nelson)


Teackle, of Accomack County, Virginia.

Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah

Website: www.royalancestry.net

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1. Geoffrey de Say, of West Greenwich, Kent, married _____.

2. William de Say, of West Greenwich, Kent, married Sibyl _____.

3. Agnes de Say, married Alexander de Cheyne, Knt., of Titehest,
Hertfordshire.

4. William de Cheyne, of Street, Sussex, married Margaret de Shurland.

5. Robert de Cheyne, of Shurland (in Eastchurch), Kent, married _____.

6. Richard Cheyne, of Shurland (in Eastchurch), Kent, married Margaret
Cralle.

7. Elizabeth Cheyne, married John Wilcotes, of Great Tew, Oxfordshire.

8. Margaret Wilcotes, married John Ashfield, Esq., of Heythrop,
Oxfordshire.

9. John Ashfield, Esq., of Heythrop, Oxfordshire, married Margaret
Colwick.

10. Edmund Ashfield, Knt., of Ewelme, Oxfordshire, died 1578, married
Eleanor Barton.

11. Amice Ashfield, died 1599, married Edmund Lee, of Pightlesthorne,
Buckinghamshire.

12. Edmund Lee, Esq., of Stantonbury, Buckinghamshire, died 1599,
married Dorothy Browne.

13. Dorothy Lee, died 1625, married John Temple, Knt., of Stowe and
Stantonbury, Buckinghamshire, died 1632.

14. Mary Temple, married Robert Nelson, Esq., of St. Clement Danes,
Westminster, St. Martin-in-the-Fields, and St. Anne's, Westminster,
Middlesex, died 1698.

15. John Nelson, of Boston, Massachusetts, died 1734, married Elizabeth
Taylor.

Douglas Richardson

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Dear John ~

We were discussing the possibility of whether or not Mary, wife of
Robert Nelson, the suspected papist in 1678, could the mother of John
Nelson, of Boston, Massachusetts. In answer to the question, I found
the following information below on the internet regarding an Avice Lee,
widow, who I believe is almost certainly the same person as Mary
(Temple) Nelson's great-grandmother, Avice (Ashfield) Lee, who died in
1599. The Robert Dormer named in this material below was the brother
of Mary (Dormer) Browne, whose daughter, Dorothy Browne, married Edmund
Lee, Esq., son and heir of Avice (Ashfield) Lee.

If this information is correct, at least some of Mary (Temple) Nelson's
family were Catholic.

Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah

Website: www.royalancestry.net

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Source: http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~hadland/tvp/tvp10.htm

In 1585, while Thomas Belson was still in prison, the Sheriff of
Buckinghamshire, Robert Dormer of Wing, was ordered to compile a list
of recusants. Each was to pay a fine of £260 (= £28,000 today) and
finance a cavalryman for the Queen. Robert Dormer was himself a
Catholic, which helps explain the leniency of the Buckinghamshire
judiciary towards his co-religionists. The authorities knew that he
harboured priests and even that Fr Edmund Campion had celebrated Mass
at his house. Dormer also had many Catholic relatives. His
brothers-in-law included Francis Browne of Henley Park, George Browne
of Shefford, the younger Francis Englefield and the Count of Feria,
formerly Philip II's representative in England. The martyred Carthusian
monk Sebastian Newdigate, an uncle of Dame Cecily Stonor, was the
Sheriff's great uncle.

But despite his religious allegiance, Robert Dormer did not altogether
avoid the duties of his office. He named twenty-two Catholics and the
threat of the new penalties proved too much for at least one. The widow
Avice Lee, a neighbour of the Belsons, had refused to conform for the
last two decades. Now, worn down by the struggle, she saved her lands
by taking Communion in her parish church. However, two years later she
was again listed as a recusant. Her younger son Roger became a guide
and helper to the Jesuit Fr John Gerard, and subsequently became a
Jesuit priest himself. END OF QUOTE.

Douglas Richardson

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Feb 26, 2006, 5:58:50 PM2/26/06
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Dear John ~

Below are two records from the helpful online National Archives
catalogue which refer to Avice (Ashfield) Lee, the great-grandmother of
Mary (Temple) Nelson. While the Visitation of Oxfordshire (H.S.P. 5)
calls her Amice (or "Amicia") Ashfield, she is Avice below and also in
VCH Buckingham, 4 (1927): 464. She died in 1599. The property
involved in the two records below was formerly owned by Avice's father,
Sir Edmund Ashfield, who died in 1578. Alexander and Edmund Fettiplace
named in the records were the nephews of Avice (Ashfield) Lee.

Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah

Website: www.royalancestry.net

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Source: National Archives Catalogue
(http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/catalogue/search.asp)

Item #1:

E 133/6/802

John Taverner, surveyor of the queen's woods by South Trent, v. Edmund
Phetiplace, Alexander Phetiplace, Avice Lee, widow, and Edmund Lee.
Woods in the honor of Ewelme, called Swincombe Wood, Wast Wood,
Bigfrith, Black Wood, Hogtroughe, Chalk Wood, Buckslade and Chalisdene,
leased by the queen to Thomas Knevet, and by him assigned to Sir Edmund
Ashefelde. Timber trees reserved to the queen alleged to have been
felled by the defendants. Oxon.

30/31 Eliz. Mich.

Item #2

E 134/29Eliz/East17

help - opens in a new window: quick reference

The Queen v. Edmund Fetyplace, Alexander Fetyplace, Edmund Lee, Avice
Lee, widow.: "Felling of certaine timber beeches in the manor of
Ewelme, by Sir Edmond Ashfield, Knt., and Alexr. Fetyplace." Touching
waste and spoil in woods called Swynecombe Woods, &c.

29 Eliz 1587

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Douglas Richardson

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Feb 27, 2006, 4:54:18 PM2/27/06
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Dear John, Will, etc.

Mary (Temple) Nelson's maternal grandparents were Edmund Lee, Esq.
(died 1599), of Stantonbury and Pitstone (also known as
Pightlesthorne), Buckinghamshire, and his wife, Dorothy Browne.
Dorothy (Browne) Lee is a known descendant of King Edward III of
England.

The three documents further below concern Edmund Lee, Esq., husband of
Dorothy Browne. As per VCH Buckingham, 4 (1927): 463-464, Edmund Lee,
Esq., died in 1599, and was survived his two daughters and
co-heiresses, Dorothy (wife of Sir John Temple) and Mary (wife of John
Claver). This statement is supported by the first document cited
below.

The Visitation of Oxfordshire gives the following information regarding
Edmund Lee, Esq., in the pedigree of his mother's family, the Ashfield
family:

"Edmundus Lee duxit Dorothea sororem Anthonii Browne, Vicecomitis
Montacute." [Reference: Harvey et al. Vis. of Oxford 1566, 1574,
1634 & 1574 (H.S.P. 5) (1871): 165-170 (Ashfield pedigree)].


.
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah

Website: www.royalancestry.net
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Source: National Archives catalogue
(http://www.catalogue.nationalarchives.gov.uk/search.asp).

1. PRO Document, E 179/79/245 (Constat dated 9 June 1601 states that
the incomes of Dorothy and Maria Lee, daughters and co-heirs of the
late Edmund Lee, esq, of Stantonbury (died 20 March 1599), were in the
hands of Queen Elizabeth owing to the girls' minority).

2. SP 46/39/fo 9 (Fortescue to Fanshawe: to stay process against Edmund
Lee of Pitelthorne [Pitstone], co. Buckingham, a surety of George
Sotherton, receiver in London and Middlesex; the Wardrobe; 14 Mar.
1594.

3. SP 46/39/fo 179 (Same to the same: to stay process against Edmund
Lee of Pitlesthorne [Pitstone], co. Buckingham, a surety of George
Sotherton, late receiver of London and Middlesex; the Wardrobe; 6 Dec.
1594).

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Douglas Richardson

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John Brandon wrote:
< I wonder if Richard Johnson doesn't in fact have the date of death of
< Mary incorrectly stated. He mentions that Robert Nelson, in a letter
< to his brother-in-law in New England, states that his wife misses her
< brother and her son "Jacke" [i.e., John Nelson of Boston]. Was John1
< Nelson in Boston as early as 1669? Probably not, as he was born 1653
< or 1654. So the letter may indicate that Mary Temple Nelson actually
< lived beyond 1669.

Yes, I think this possibility should be considered.

DR

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Douglas Richardson

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Dear Newsgroup ~

In my earlier post, I noted that the immigrant, John Nelson's
great-grandmother, Dorothy Browne, wife of Edmund Lee, Esq., of
Pitstone and Stantonbury, Buckinghamshire, had two daughter by her Lee
marriage, namely Dorothy (wife of Sir John Temple) and Mary (wife of
John Claver). Both daughters are mentioned in VCH Buckingham, 4
(1927): 464.

I checked the 1653 PCC will of Dorothy Browne, widow successively of
Edmund Lee, Esq., _____ Wolverstone, and William Ascue (or Ayscough).
In her will she names her son, John Wolverstone; her daughter, Mary,
wife of Thomas Tyrrell, of Gipping, Suffolk; her [grand]daughter,
Dorothy Alston; her grandson, Thomas Temple; and various Ascue
step-children.

Since locating this will, I've found the marriage of Mary (Lee) Claver
to Thomas Tyrrell in the IGI. The IGI shows that Mary Clavers and
Thomas Tyrrell were married at St. Lawrence Pountney, London 18 Feb.
1625. This marriage record confirms that Mary Lee married (1st) John
Claver (or Clavers), and (2nd) Thomas Tyrrell, of Gipping, Suffolk.

Elsewhere, I've learned that Dorothy Browne's third husband, William
Ascue (or Ayscough), Gentleman of the Privy Chamber to King Charles I,
was the second son of Edward Ascue (or Ayscough), of Nun Cotham,
Lincolnshire, by Ursula, daughter of Henry Skipwith [see Maddison,
Lincolnshire Peds. 1 (H.S.P. 50) (1902): 58-68 (Ayscough pedigree)].
By a previous marriage, William Ascue was the father of Sir George
Ascue (or Ayscough), Admiral of England.

If anyone has any further particulars on Lee, Wolverstone, Claver(s),
Tyrrell, or Ascue families, I'd appreciate it if they would post what
information they have here on the newsgroup.

Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah

Website: www.royalancestry.net

Douglas Richardson

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Mar 2, 2006, 12:48:33 AM3/2/06
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Dear Newsgroup ~

The following information is given for Sir George Ayscough, Admiral of
England, in Maddison, Lincolnshire Peds. 1 (H.S.P. 50) (1902): 58-68
(Ayscough pedigree). Sir George Ayscough was the step-brother of the
immigrant, John Nelson's grandmother, Lady Dorothy (Lee) Temple.

"Sir George Ayscough, Admiral of England, temp. Charles I. and II;
knighted at Whitehall 9 Augus 1641; lived at Ham, parish of Chertsey,
Surrey; 'returned from a severe restraint in Holland, and kissed the
King's hand 12 Nov. 1667;' married Mary, daughter of Martin Fotherby,
Lord Bishop of Salisbury, and widow of John Boys. They had a son
George, baptized at St. Giles-in-the-Fields 20 Jan. 1644-5." END OF
QUOTE.

Sir George Ayscough's father is identified by Maddison as:

"William Ayscough, Gentleman of Privy Chamber to Charles I. He and his
wife are mentioned in his father's wiil 31 August 1616." END OF QUOTE.

The name of William Ayscough's wives (the last being Dorothy Browne)
are not mentioned by Maddison.

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