de Schawe/Shawe
Mariner
have any medieval ties to this man, born 1585? I know his father was
Thomas Shawe; the trail back ends there. Any information would be
greatly appreciated!
TIA
Michael
Henry Sutliff
> I am researching the ancestors of Abraham Shaw(e) of Northowram.
> Anyonehave any medieval ties to this man, born 1585? I know his father
> wasThomas Shawe; the trail back ends there. Any information would be
> greatly appreciated!
>
> TIA
>
> Michael
Is this the same as Abraham Shaw who died Weymouth, Norfolk Co, MA about
1638? If so, he is also an ancestor of mine. I cannot give documented
information for any previous generations from any reliable sources.
However, something you might want to consider are the many internet
pedigrees which suggest he was the illegitimate son of an Abraham Dobson
(b. 10 August 1560, of Scrooby, Notts) by a Janet Shawe of Halfax, Yorks. I
have no idea where this claim originated and none of the pedigrees I have
seen have any documentation.
Good luck,
Henry Sutliff
ss...@earthlink.net
Henry Sutliff
Mariner wrote:
> I am researching the ancestors of Abraham Shaw(e) of Northowram. Anyone
> have any medieval ties to this man, born 1585? I know his father was
> Thomas Shawe; the trail back ends there. Any information would be
> greatly appreciated!
>
> TIA
>
> Michael
As a follow up to my previous post, I forgot to mention that Abraham is
mentioned in an article in The American Genealogist Vol. 57, p. 85. This
may be some use to you.
Henry
Reedpcgen
Abraham Shawe was from the parish of Halifax, West Riding of Yorkshire
(geographically the largest parish in England), from whence many families
emigrated to New England. The parish registers are in print and indexed, and I
think extracted in the IGI, but may not survive early enough to be of use to
you. Some of the manorial records are published in the Halifax Antiquarian
Society [listings of Yorkshire Manorial records are available on he Internet].
But your most likely possibility of success in extending the ancestry would be
through checking for wills proved in the Prerogative Court of York, the indexes
of which are printed in the Yorkshire Archaeological Society.
pcr
Dick Bishop
Halifax, Yorkshire, Christianings 1538-1593) and have confirmed
that a Janet Shaw had a son Abraham by Abraham Dodson in CA
1585. I have also reviewed LDS film 0496813 Item 1 (Indexed and
transcribed Parish Records of Halifax, Yorkshire, Marriages) that
pretty much lists the BEST and related lines. However, there is
nothing concrete that indicates the Abraham Shaw(e) - that is our
ancestor - is the illegitimate son of Janet Shaw and Abraham Dodson.
I have not however looked at any wills as suggested by Paul (I
believe - Reedpcgen). Good idea!!!
NEHGR, Volume 106, Pages 50-52, contains an article entitled
"Abraham Shaw of Dedham" by H. MInot Pitman. In this article,
Mr. Pitman indicates that Abraham is the illegimate son of Janet
Shaw and Abraham Dodson. He cites the Parish Register, but does
not provide any proof or evidence that this is our Abraham. In fact, he
does not offer much of an argument.
NEHGR, Volume 2, Page 180 contains a will abstract of Abraham Shawe,
but this does not contain the names of his parents.
"Fifty Great Migration Colonists To New England & Their Origins", Pages
353-364, 1990 Edition, by John Brooks Threfall indicates that Abraham
was the son of Thomas and Elizabeth (Longbottom) Shaw. This is
mimiced by the "Shaws of Yorkshire" and "Shaws of Massachusetts"
on the internet - my URL is not working for some reason.
There are numerous webpages on the internet that state both - Abraham's
parents were Janet Shaw and Abraham Dodson or that his parents were
Thomas Shaw and Elizabeth Longbottom. At this point, it is a toss up as to
which source and author you believe. Webpages are pretty much the same
as the LDS Ancestral Files - they are only believable to the extent that
you
believe the authors and usually only at face value!!
This is definitely an area that needs more work.
Dick Bishop
dick.b...@MCI2000.com
Newport News, VA
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> From: Henry Sutliff <ss...@earthlink.net>
> To: GEN-MED...@rootsweb.com
> Subject: Re: de Schawe/Shawe
> Date: Friday, 09 October, 1998 1:04 AM
Henry Sutliff
> I have reviewed LDS film 0471855 Item 1 (Parish Register of Halifax,
> Yorkshire, Christianings 1538-1593) and have confirmed that a Janet Shaw had
> a son Abraham by Abraham Dodson in CA 1585. I have also reviewed LDS film
> 0496813 Item 1 (Indexed and transcribed Parish Records of Halifax, Yorkshire,
> Marriages) that pretty much lists the BEST and related lines. However, there
> is nothing concrete that indicates the Abraham Shaw(e) - that is our ancestor
> - is the illegitimate son of Janet Shaw and Abraham Dodson. I have not
> however looked at any wills as suggested by Paul (I believe - Reedpcgen).
> Good idea!!!
>
> NEHGR, Volume 106, Pages 50-52, contains an article entitled "Abraham Shaw of
> Dedham" by H. MInot Pitman.
>
> NEHGR, Volume 2, Page 180 contains a will abstract of Abraham Shawe, but this
> does not contain the names of his parents.
>
> "Fifty Great Migration Colonists To New England & Their Origins", Pages
> 353-364, 1990 Edition, by John Brooks Threfall indicates that Abraham was
> the son of Thomas and Elizabeth (Longbottom) Shaw. This is
> mimiced by the "Shaws of Yorkshire" and "Shaws of Massachusetts" on the
> internet - my URL is not working for some reason.
>
Of all the articles discussing this subject, the most convincing is "The
English Ancestry of Abraham Shaw of Dedham, Massachusetts (1590-1638) by
Russell Franklin Shaw, M.D., found in The Genealogist (edited by Dr. Neil D.
Thompson), vol. 10, no. 1 (Spring 1989), pp. 86-98. An incredible amount of
research (including wills, baptismal and marriage records) has given convincing
evidence that Abraham Shaw was son of Thomas Shawe and Elizabeth Longbotham,
including baptismal record (PRO : DL1/155/S20, rejoinder of Thomas Shawe, lines
38-9). Thomas Shawe is shown as son of Christopher Shawe of Northowram (proved
by marriage settlement) who may have been an heir of James Shawe of Myxenden.
Henry Sutliff
kim...@gmail.com
His father was Thomas Shaw who married Sibil Mason, his cousin about 1653
His Father was Christopher Shaw who married Elizabeth Cutlove 10.11.1637
His father was Edward Shaw who married Lady Margaret Robinson 1510
His father was James Shawe who married Christina Bruce about 1480
His father was Sir James deSchaw of Sauchie, Clackmannan, Scotland who married Lady Isabel Ross in 1455
His father was Sir John deSchaw who married Isobel of Perth about 1443
His father was Baron James deSchaw of Greenock who married Lady Mary DeAnnadio in 1398
His father was Alexander deSchaw born 1349 married Lady Jenet Galbraith Crawford about 1378
His father was Baron James deSchaw (1323)who maried Lady Efa Galbraith in 1340
His father was James deSchaw born 1303
His father was William deSchaw born 1275 Paisley, Renfrewshire, Scotland
His father was John deSchaw born 1250 Paisley, Renfrewshire, Scotland
His father was John deSchaw born 1224 Paisley, Renfrewshire, Scotland
His father was Reginald deSchawe born 1175 Paisley, Renfrewshire, Scotland
His father was John deSchawe born 1125 (Scotland)
If you need any more help ...kim...@gmail.com
Derek Howard
ardg...@comcast.net
Also, while it is not impossible that Thomas was descended from the Schaws of Sauchie and Greenock in Scotland, there is currently no proof that Thomas Shaw's ancestry has any connection whatsoever to Scotland.
As for the lineage of the Schaws of Sauchie shown here, prior to the 1400s in most cases the genealogical links between the names is unknown and unknowable -- sometimes it would be a father-to-son succession, but at times the succession may pass to brothers or nephews or male cousins.
Jared L. Olar
P.S. My mother was a Shaw, but her genealogy did NOT trace back to Abraham Shaw (some genealogists conflate my ancestor John Shaw, who married an Alice, with Abraham's son John, who married Alice Phillips -- but Abraham's son lived a whole generation later than my John Shaw), and y-DNA testing has shown that the Abraham Shaw family belongs to the I1 haplogroup, whereas my mother's Shaws were R1b.