Kalius, Ukraine
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I am looking for information on a town in Ukraine where my dad was born
called Kalius or Kalyus, near the Dneister River. How can I find out if it
is still there and if so, how big, etc? Can you direct me? Thank you.
Janet Roseman
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Stephen Michael Mednick
Janet Roseman <JBSRo...@aol.com> wrote:
> I am looking for information on a town in Ukraine where my dad was born
> called Kalius or Kalyus, near the Dneister River. How can I find out if it
> is still there and if so, how big, etc? Can you direct me? Thank you.
Janet,
My cousin and I are researching our family, surname MEDNICK and we recently
had done a quick translation of a hand-written marriage contract. The Rabbi
who translated the document (which I think was written in Aramaic) refers to
a town called KALIS or KALISH. I strongly suspect that this town was located
in the Ukraine as well. Is it possible that the town you're researching could
be the same as the one that was referred to in the marriage contract?
The Rabbi is going to be providing us with a thorough translation of the
document but I'll have my cousin show him your email message to see if he
thinks it's the same place.
Steve Mednick
Sydney, Australia
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Stephen Michael Mednick
Janet Roseman wrote:
> I am looking for information on a town in Ukraine where my dad was born
> called Kalius or Kalyus, near the Dneister River. How can I find out if it
> is still there and if so, how big, etc? Can you direct me? Thank you.
Janet,
As an update to my earlier response, Just this afternoon, I've had
interpreted my Grandfather's Internal Passport (ID Papers) dated April 15,
1910.
It turns out, according to his ID Papers, my Grandfather was from a town
known as KALIUS, which was part of we would call a local government area
(Municipality) known as USHITSK, which itself was part of province known as
PODOLSK in The Ukraine.
I hope you find this information useful. All that needs to be done know is to
pin-point KALIUS on a map.
Stephen Michael Mednick
Janet,
The family name is MEDNICK.
I have a couple of documents that place my Grandfather, SIMON MEDNICK in the
town known as KALIUS.
One of these documents is and hand-written "Marriage Contract" which I faxed
to my cousin in NY. She had it translated and it mentioned that my
Grandfather was betrothed to be wed in KALIUS.
The other document I have is a paper document, dated April 15, 1910 which I
only had translated yesterday. The document is fact an Internal ID and shows
that my Grandfather loved in the town called KALIUS in the NOVA USHITSA Ouezd
which was part of the PODOLSK province.
I believe that my Grandparents left this area for London, arriving in 1911
(the exact date is not yet known). A slightly conflicting piece of
information that I have is that my Uncle Max, born in 1904, listed on his
English passport as place of birth, the name KAMENETS.
Looking back through the archives for all the messages posted to the
Newsgroup, KAMENETS-PODOLSK was the provincial capital of PODOLIA GUBERNIA, a
failry substantial city. I managed to find two references to the
latitude/longitude for KAMENETS:
1. 52 deg. 24 min. North 23 deg. 49 min. East - near PINSK
2. 48 deg. 40 min. North 26 deg. 34 min. East
- 62km NE of a city now called CHERNOVTSY
I guess the confliction I have is what is on my Uncle's passport and what is
on the ID papers. However, I'm wondering if it's not unlike the situation
where I am where I would say I live in Sydney, Australia but in fact I live
in a suburb called Clovelly that's about 10km from the CBD.
In the Newsgroup archives, there is a lot of references to KAMENETS-PODOLSK
and it appeared to have a fairly large Jewish community and it has a large
Jewish cemetery with over 10,000 graves. According to what I found in the
Newsgroup, the Jewish population, or what was left of it, was finally taken
care of by the Nazis.
One further reference I came across placed the town of KALIUS South West of
KIEV, East of Kamenets. I guess adding your piece of the puzzle by saying
it's on the Dneister River will help pin-point exactly where KALIUS is.
Janet, apart from sending this message to you directly, I'll post it to the
main newsgroup to see if there is anyone else out there who can add to the
information we already have.
Steve Mednick
Sydney, Australia
____________________ Begin Original Message __________________________
>Date: Sat May 10 17:12:44 -0500 1997
>From: internet!aol.com!JBSRosebud
>Subject: Re: Kalius, Ukraine
>To: smednick
>
>Here's my update...There is a small "point" going north on the Dneister River
>- that's Kalius!! That's all I know now - where it is. Now my next mission
>is to find out what's in it???
>My dad was born there in 1910 and his name then was Zilberman - it's now
>Silverman. The history I have is based only on his childhood memories. I
>would like to have something to show him of what it's like now. Who was your
>family there? Are they still there? When did they leave and where did they
>go? Maybe there's a connection!!!
>Eager to hear from you!!
>
>Janet
Steven Byars
In article <970509165513...@emout12.mail.aol.com>,
JBSRo...@aol.com wrote:
> I am looking for information on a town in Ukraine where my dad was born
> called Kalius or Kalyus, near the Dneister River. How can I find out if it
> is still there and if so, how big, etc? Can you direct me? Thank you.
>
> Janet Roseman
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Best hit I could make:
Kalus. 100 km SSE of Lvov. 32 km NW of Ivano-Frankovsk. The symbols, not
the legend, just the symbols for town size were left off my map, but it
looks to be a fairly good sized town at a multipul road intersection.
Railroad goes through the town which is located on a tributary of the
nearby Dnestr River. In Russian it is spelt "Ka(looks like pi symbol)yw".
It's about 100 km (as the double-headed eagle flys) ESE of Turka, the town
I'm researching, so if you see any RAND's or SANDMAN's, please let me
know. Thanks, & I hope this helps, STEVE
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Alan Wachtel
Janet Roseman <JBSRo...@aol.com> wrote:
> I am looking for information on a town in Ukraine where my dad was born
> called Kalius or Kalyus, near the Dneister River. How can I find out if it
> is still there and if so, how big, etc? Can you direct me? Thank you.
Stephen Michael Mednick <smed...@attmail.com> replied:
>It turns out, according to his ID Papers, my Grandfather was from a town
>known as KALIUS, which was part of we would call a local government area
>(Municipality) known as USHITSK, which itself was part of province known as
>PODOLSK in The Ukraine.
>
>I hope you find this information useful. All that needs to be done now is to
>pin-point KALIUS on a map.
Once again the Ravenstein road map of Ukraine (available from Avotaynu) comes
to the rescue. (You could also have tried the JewishGen Shtetl Seeker.)
Kalush (the modern spelling) is 25 km northwest of Ivano-Frankivsk and 90 km
south-southeast of L'viv, and lies 20 km from the Dnestr River. It's not a
small town, either, with a current population between 20,000 and 50,000. In
fact, once I knew where it was, I found it in the "Times Atlas of the World."
Kalush is definitely in Podolia guberniya, but what district (uezd) was it
in? It seems to be closer to Kamenets-Podolskij than to Ushitsa (now called
Novaya [new] Ushitsa). I don't have a map showing district boundaries under
the czars, and naturally they don't appear on a modern map, so I used a trick
to find the district. If a town name gave rise to a surname, the surname
usually appears in Alexander Beider's "A Dictionary of Jewish Surnames from
the Russian Empire," and the town it's derived from is identified by
district. Beider reports that the surname Kalyus is derived from the townlet
(his word for shtetl) Kalyus in Ushitsa district. This pins down the
district, and also gives us the spelling of the town name under the czars.
Beider's book also has a handy map showing guberniya boundaries, although the
only towns shown are the district centers, and district boundaries are not
included.
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Alan Wachtel
Palo Alto, California
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Stephen Michael Mednick
Alan,
Thanks for getting back to me.
You're probably right, it's probably going to need an old map of the area to
see if KALYUS is identified anywhere. I'm thinking of trying the Library of
Congress Geographic and Maps Division, give them the co-ordinates and see if
they can provide anything. The town might appear on German maps from 1941.
Apart from that idea, if someone was to be able to provide someone who I
could write to in KAMENETS-PDOLSK, I could ask the question directly to
someone in the area as to what happened to the town.
Will let you know what I manage to find out.
Steve Mednick
Sydney, Australia
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Alan Wachtel
In a message dated 97-05-11 18:28:32 EDT, smed...@attmail.com (Stephen
Michael Mednick) writes:
> Using the Shetl finder I actually located a town called KALYUS which has
> coordinates of lat. 47 deg. 38 min. North, long. 27 deg. 19 min. East.
Also
> from the Shetl finder, the coordinates for KAMENETS-PODOLSK are lat. 48
deg.
>
> 40 min. North, Long. 26 deg. 34 min. Putting these two sets of coordinates
> into perspective, KALYUS is within spitting distance of KAMENETS-PODOLSK,
> just
> slightly south.
I assumed that Kalush and Kalyus were the same place, but that was too hasty
a conclusion. Looking on the Ravenstein map at the coordinates given for
Kalyus by the Shtetl Seeker (48 deg 38 min North, not 47 deg), I found that
they're very close to Novaya Ushitsa, east of Kamenets-Podolskij. The Kalyus
River runs a few kilometers to the east, and joins the Dnestr about 25 km
further south. The entire river is 50 km long, but there is no town named
Kalyus anywhere along it. Either the name has changed, it's too small to
appear on the map, or it's disappeared entirely. I can suggest some obscure
Polish- and German-language gazetteers you might look in, but you would
probably find them only in a very large public or university library.
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Alan Wachtel
Palo Alto, California
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