FREE Griffiths Valuation
Christopher Coburn
http://www.irishtimes.com:80/newspaper/ireland/2008/0722/1216627319968.html
Property valuation of 19th century Ireland free online
PAUL CULLEN
GRIFFITH'S VALUATION, the most detailed guide to people and property in
mid-19th century Ireland, has gone online for free for the first time.
One of the most important surviving genealogical sources from the era after
the Famine, the valuation is likely to be of use to family history
researchers in Ireland and throughout the world.
The version available on the askaboutireland.ie website is searchable by
family name and place name; copies of the original document can be printed
off; and the website also includes maps from the mid-19th century and
contemporary maps from Google Earth.
The document has been available on a number of Irish and US websites for a
number of years, but information could only be accessed on payment of a fee.
Over the past year, however, the Library Council of Ireland has spent
€230,000 on digitising its copy of the document and making it available
online. The work was also undertaken to ensure the document remained in the
public domain.
"We're committed to retaining and enhancing public access to important
source documents such as Griffith's, and ensuring they do not go back to
private copyright," said Annette Kelly, assistant director of the Library
Council.
Griffith's Valuation was the first full-scale valuation of property in
Ireland.
The work was overseen by Richard Griffith, a Dublin geologist, and published
between 1847 and 1864.
It delivered the information necessary for local taxation by providing a
uniform valuation of all property in Ireland based on the productive
capacity of land and the potential rent of buildings.
The document lists every landholder and householder in the 32 counties, and
is arranged by county, barony, poor law union, civil parish and townland.
The valuation was never intended as a substitute for the census, and has
limited significance for genealogists.
However, because of the subsequent destruction of so many other source
documents, including the 1851 census, it remains the only detailed guide to
where in Ireland people lived in the mid-19th century.
Census returns from 1821-51 were destroyed in the Public Records Office then
located in the Four Courts in Dublin during fighting in the Civil War in
1922.
The Library Council plans further enhancements to the site in the autumn,
including searchable maps and layers of information showing the population
changes in an area over time.
...
Griffith's Valuation is available to view at askaboutireland.ie
Passing it along to those who might use the site to find ancestors in the
1850s in Ireland.
Look for the link on the page below to Griffiths Valuation.
http://www.askaboutireland.ie/show_homepage.do
cecilia
<a7a3...@telus.net> wrote:
>[...]
>GRIFFITH'S VALUATION, the most detailed guide to people and property in
>mid-19th century Ireland, has gone online for free for the first time.
>Look for the link on the page below to Griffiths Valuation.
>http://www.askaboutireland.ie/show_homepage.do
The search-by-name page is at
http://griffiths.askaboutireland.ie/gv4/gv_family_search_form.php
Beware putting in first names - abbreviations are not translated. My
ancestor was findable if I merely put in family name and location, but
not if I put anything in the given names field except for WM.L.
John Whine
Thank You,
It's a wonderful site, with very interesting and illuminating
information.
John Gilmour Toronto, Canada
Theresa Green
I don't know if I'm looking in the wrong place but I couldn't find much information there at all! Lots of data on Ireland in general, and some references to Griffiths, but the actual files seem to have eluded me. Has anyone else found them?
Thanks a lot
Theresa
Thank You,
John Gilmour Toronto, Canada
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Christopher Coburn
I gave the link in the first post on the Griffiths Thread,
posted below is another link from that page that will take
you to the search box
you click on this link here to find Griffiths.
http://griffiths.askaboutireland.ie/gv4/gv_start.php
Search by surname, or placename.
It does work.(if your ancestors are in Griffiths) Valuation
I found four of my own (in Kerry)
The actual page of Griffiths comes up on the screen..
good luck
all the best
KerryKate (Coburn)
http://www3.telus.net/KerryKate/
Theresa Green
Thanks so much KerryKate! Will give it a try.
Theresa
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http://griffiths.askaboutireland.ie/gv4/gv_start.php
good luck
l faris
Whenever I read about Griffiths I see a very wide date range in which the data was collected (1848-1864).
Is there anywhere online a reference that can tell me more specifically when the valuation was done in a particular area? Some were done first and some last - It would be helpful to know when the Mayo valuations were done as compared to when the Roscomon ones were done.
Thanks
Lorraine
--- On Wed, 7/23/08, Christopher Coburn <a7a3...@telus.net> wrote:
From: Christopher Coburn <a7a3...@telus.net>
Subject: Re: FREE Griffiths Valuation
http://griffiths.askaboutireland.ie/gv4/gv_start.php
good luck
Ron O'Brien
"l faris" <phillyi...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Hello
Whenever I read about Griffiths I see a very wide date range in which the
data was collected (1848-1864).
Is there anywhere online a reference that can tell me more specifically when
the valuation was done in a particular area? Some were done first and some
last - It would be helpful to know when the Mayo valuations were done as
compared to when the Roscomon ones were done.
I have a Griffiths map of a Roscommon townland, the map is dated, so
presumably that indicates when the data was collected
Ron
The Chief
> "l faris" <phillyirish2...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
Have you ever heard of books? You might care to look in some.
Alternatively, you might also care to do some very simple internet
searches.
Math. 7:7; Luke 11:9-10
Regards,
The Chief
Tony Proctor
"Christopher Coburn" <a7a3...@telus.net> wrote in message
news:hmghk.947$nu6.448@edtnps83...
> Just noticed this.
>
> http://www.irishtimes.com:80/newspaper/ireland/2008/0722/1216627319968.html
>
>
> Property valuation of 19th century Ireland free online
> PAUL CULLEN
> GRIFFITH'S VALUATION, the most detailed guide to people and property in
> mid-19th century Ireland, has gone online for free for the first time.
>
> One of the most important surviving genealogical sources from the era
> after the Famine, the valuation is likely to be of use to family history
> researchers in Ireland and throughout the world.
>
> The version available on the askaboutireland.ie website is searchable by
> family name and place name; copies of the original document can be printed
> off; and the website also includes maps from the mid-19th century and
> contemporary maps from Google Earth.
>
> The document has been available on a number of Irish and US websites for a
> number of years, but information could only be accessed on payment of a
> fee.
>
> Over the past year, however, the Library Council of Ireland has spent
Has anyone got the Print button to work when looking at the valuation
images? I get an error and can then no longer even view that image
Tony Proctor
The Chief
If the "Griffith's maps" shown here are what have been provided at the
pay sites mentioned in the article above, then people have been ripped
off. While this site does link to valuation maps, none, not one, of
those I have looked are actual contemporaries of Griffith's valuation.
At least half the time the map shown is incorrect (wrong location),
and when the map is of the correct location, it would seem that
**all** of them that I have examined date from later then Griffith's
valuation, in some cases by many decades. This conclusion is based on
internal evidence in the maps themselves, i.e. features which were not
present at the time of the valuation, or inconsistencies between the
numbering on the maps and the printed valuation schedules. My
conclusion is that the valuation maps I looked at date from the 1880s
at the earliest.
Regards,
The Chief
Tony Proctor
"The Chief" <The_Ch...@att.net> wrote in message
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That's a bit uncalled for. By the same token we don't need any "online
references" and we can lookup everything in books, including the valuations
themselves
Tony Proctor
Theresa Green
Does anyone know if there was there anything similar done before 1848?
I'm interested in Cork and Dublin information, but by 1848 my people had
moved from Ireland.
Cheers all.
Theresa
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Ethel Daly
Griffiths map of Roscommon. Can you please tell me how I can get a copy of
that map? Thanking you in advance.
Ethel
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From: "Ron O'Brien" <cast...@ntlworld.com>
> I have a Griffiths map of a Roscommon townland, the map is dated, so
> presumably that indicates when the data was collected
>
> Ron
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The Chief
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> "The Chief" <The_Chieft...@att.net> wrote in message
Not in the least uncalled for. Consider: entering just the terms
"Roscommon" and "Griffith's valuation" in Google leads straight to
multiple web sites with the desired answer, and there are entire web
pages devoted just to GV for Roscommon! In addition, anyone interested
in Irish family history research should either own or at least borrow
some of the standard reference works, where this information is easily
found. I see no need to mollycoddle the latest lazy, idle bugger to
come along and want me to do his research for him, as some others seem
pleased to do.
Regards,
The Chief
Tony Proctor
Regards,
The Chief
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But he didn't ask you to do any research for him. He merely asked if there
was an online reference somewhere.
I travel a lot with both work and my research. If I took all my books with
me, the airlines would have a field day with "excess baggage" charges (not
mentioning any airline in particular of course) :-)
Tony Proctor
The Chief
The very fact that she posted the request here shows that she had
internet access, so no need for any "excess baggage charges." With
considerably less typing than required to post that query here, she
could have directly searched Google with just the words "Roscommon"
and "Griffith's valuation" and had her answer right away. Of course
she did not, preferring that some willing gophers here should do the
work for here. Pure idle laziness.
Regards,
The Chief
Kerry Raymond
> internet access, so no need for any "excess baggage charges." With
> considerably less typing than required to post that query here, she
> could have directly searched Google with just the words "Roscommon"
> and "Griffith's valuation" and had her answer right away. Of course
> she did not, preferring that some willing gophers here should do the
> work for here. Pure idle laziness.
So, why not put it more pleasantly ...
Using Google search with the keywords "Roscommon Griffith's valuation", I
found this Web site:
[insert URL]
where a search of [whatever] revealed [whatever]
That would have helped to educate the OP and other readers and been a
"helpful" contribution.
Kerry
The Chief
If you want to mollycoddle the likes of the OP, or sugar-coat bitter
pills, then go ahead, but don't expect everyone to agree with you. I
for one think directness is a virtue.
Regards,
The Chief
themi...@localnet.com
I address to the moderator of this web site: Can we keep the following
nonsense out of this genealogical site thank you? As for the person who
asked about the Griffith's dates I shall say this-the best teacher I ever
had once told me he ALWAYS REMEMBERED WHAT IT WAS LIKE WHEN HE DID NOT
KNOW THE SUBJECT...no doubt it my mind that's what made him an excellent
teacher-also the only dumb question is the unasked one. Kindly do not
reply to this as I always remember what it was like when I didn't know,
and was lucky enough to have some very generous and kind persons help me
along. I wish I could help you with the Griffith's dates but I cannot as I
am unsure about them.
Amen and Amen.
Ron
Regards, The Chief
Tony Proctor
Regards, The Chief
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themi...@localnet.com
The Irish Genealogical Society in Minnesota used to sell maps. I have one
of Mayo, Sligo, Roscommon, and Galway on my wall. Very detailed with many
townlands etc. Sorry I do not have the address but you should be able to
find it with Google.
ed
Ron, I am researching
"Daly" from County Roscommon. I see where you have a Griffiths
map of Roscommon. Can you please tell me how I can get a copy of that map?
Thanking you in advance.
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I have a Griffiths map of a Roscommon townland, the map is
dated, so presumably that indicates when the data was collected
Ron
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The Chief
> I address to the moderator of this web site: Can we keep the following
> nonsense out of this genealogical site thank you? As for the person who
> asked about the Griffith's dates I shall say this-the best teacher I ever
> had once told me he ALWAYS REMEMBERED WHAT IT WAS LIKE WHEN HE DID NOT
> KNOW THE SUBJECT...no doubt it my mind that's what made him an excellent
> teacher-also the only dumb question is the unasked one. Kindly do not
> reply to this as I always remember what it was like when I didn't know,
> and was lucky enough to have some very generous and kind persons help me
> along. I wish I could help you with the Griffith's dates but I cannot as I
> am unsure about them.
>
> Amen and Amen.
I am afraid you are demonstrating that you have no idea how this board
operates. I am trembling as I await a missive from this "moderator."
Regards,
The Chief
Slarty
> I address to the moderator of this web site:
It's not a web site, and there is no moderator. It's a newsgroup on Usenet.
Please do us all a favour and get a clue before sounding off. Thank you.
Slarty
> Themick1942 is posting to this ng via the RootsWeb forum that is gated
> here. At RootsWeb, there *is* a moderator, but one that can only act on
> RootsWeb members, not the denizens of usenet.
>
>> Please do us all a favour and get a clue before sounding off. Thank you.
>
> Same applies to you.
I hereby appoint you net monitor, with special responsibility for filling
the ink wells.
Hugh Watkins
not a board but a usenet group
get googling and read some WIKI's
use your own name please
being "anon" implies insincerity and guilt about the rubbish you write
Hugh W