MacNamara Arms,... (Re: Beautiful Oil Painting...)
JPM...@aol.com
has the oldest registered coats of arms. One thing I have seen with
MacNamara, the college is showing a feathered helmut for the crest. The
famous Irish MacNamara band has this emblem on their albums-CDs. I have a
MacNamara book written by a N.C. MacNamara in 1898 and the crest shown in
book is the 'naked forearm holding a scimitar', which is what is seen on some
Mac websites, and what I have seen in other books and at home when growing
up. Incidentally, the Sheedy-MacSheedy arms is very similar also having the
scimitar.
Jim McNamara
In a message dated 4/12/02 9:03:36 PM Pacific Daylight Time, ma...@aol.com
writes:
> Just add some meat to the discussion. There are some recognition of arms or
> at
> least initial granting of arms in a somewhat different manner.
>
> Knights Dubbed 1565-1616 GO Mss 51
> includes O'Cahan, Maguire and others.
>
> This may not be a full armory at the time, but it does give an inkling that
> familial arms were in use. It is interesting to note that the official
> grant
> of arms to Maguire some time before the knighting...
>
> Hugh Magwier niles in extia cathederali Sta de miduidue Fermatis dublinelie
> 14
> Jun 1590 (he was knighted in 14 Jan 1599 by Sir William FitzWilliams).
>
> The arms depicted/described are not the same as those today. It seems that
> the
> crest became the arms.
>
> Anways... I don't if this proves one side of the arguement or other, it is
> just
> that I had a reference worth mentioning.
> Slan Leat!
>
> Phil McManus
>
Sean MacLochlainn
> I'm not too sure that the College of Arms has the oldest coats of arms, it
> has the oldest registered coats of arms.
Coats of arms were alien to the Gaelic Irish. Gaelic manuscripts cover a
wide range of subjects, law to medicine to genealogy to classics, but I know
of none before circa 1700 that concerns itself with coats of arms. A few
Gaelic families are recorded as having banners, but that is not the same
thing as a coat of arms.
A bare assertion that a Gaelic coats of arms existed well before it was
recorded is wishful thinking.
Sean
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thinking.
Just because you cannot find it does not make it law.
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> > A bare assertion that a Gaelic coats of arms existed well before it was
> > recorded is wishful thinking.
> Or for that matter the assumption that they never existed is also wishfull
> thinking.
> Just because you cannot find it does not make it law.
I'm not the one making assumptions. You appear to be a stranger to critical
thinking. Do you assume that your ancestry is:
Steve
|
Steve
|
Steve
|
Steve
|
Steve
|
Steve
|
etc
After all, you are called Steve and you do have ancestors.
Sean
Sean MacLochlainn
> I'm not the one making assumptions. You appear to be a stranger to
critical
> thinking. Do you assume that your ancestry is:
>
> Steve
> |
> etc
Or perhaps
Steve
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Sir Steve
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Lord Steve
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King Steve
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Emperor Steve
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God Steve
I cannot disprove this. It is for you to prove it. Get the idea?
Sean