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Bill Arndts

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Nov 15, 2005, 1:05:23 PM11/15/05
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I was recently given some passenger lists from Ancestry.com. There is a
listing on it for people wo were related to my father`s grandfather. It
says that they were arrived in 1902, and that their residence was "Berge
Borbeck Rpr." Does anyone know where "Berge Borbeck" is? I`m guessing
it`s in Westphalia, perhaps near, or even a part of, Essen. And what
does the abbreviation (I`m guessing it`s an abbreviation) "Rpr"
represent? Thank you.

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Josef Gietzen

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Nov 15, 2005, 1:23:49 PM11/15/05
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Hello Bill,

Bill Arndts wrote on 15.11.2005 19:05:
> I was recently given some passenger lists from Ancestry.com. There is a
> listing on it for people wo were related to my father`s grandfather. It
> says that they were arrived in 1902, and that their residence was "Berge
> Borbeck Rpr." Does anyone know where "Berge Borbeck" is? I`m guessing
> it`s in Westphalia, perhaps near, or even a part of, Essen.

correct spelling is Bergeborbeck a suburb of Essen, about 6 km WNW of
the center of Essen.

greetings
Josef

Frank Spengemann

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Nov 15, 2005, 1:22:24 PM11/15/05
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Bergeborbeck is not in Westphalia. Yes Bergeborbeck is part of Essen.
Rpr. represent Rheinprovinz. The Rheinprovinz was a part of Prussia and
Westphalia was another part of Prussia. But the border to Westphalia is
not far from Bergeborbeck.

Frank


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Bill Arndts

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Nov 15, 2005, 1:39:24 PM11/15/05
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Dear Josef; Thank you for your response. I should point out that the
spelling "Berge Borbeck" was the way the passenger list spelled it (I
was only spelling it the way it spelled the word). Do you know what
"Rpr" means? You mention that Bergeborbeck is a suburb of Essen. Thank
you for confirming my guess. Do you know if it was part of Essen in
1902, and if it was a suburb then? I ask because my knowledge of Germany
is limited, and I`m trying to learn something about the place that my
ancestor`s brother and his family apparently came from.

Josef Gietzen

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Nov 15, 2005, 3:41:45 PM11/15/05
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Hello Bill,

Bill Arndts wrote on 15.11.2005 19:39:
> ... Do you know what


> "Rpr" means? You mention that Bergeborbeck is a suburb of Essen.

See what Frank Spengemann was writing.


> ... Do you know if it was part of Essen in


> 1902, and if it was a suburb then? I ask because my knowledge of Germany
> is limited, and I`m trying to learn something about the place that my
> ancestor`s brother and his family apparently came from.


from google:
"Today's municipal district IV (since about 1974) is largely congruent
with the one to 1915 of independent community area of Borbeck,
Bergeborbeck also was part of it, except for the 1861 areas Lirich and
Lip-pern gone off to Oberhausen. This community area was part of the
group of the industry communities typical of the region with over 100000
inhabitants without town charter. Special fame attained Borbeck as “the
largest Prussian country community”. This time of the industrialization
and wrestling for town char-ters Borbeck owed still reconciles
representative buildings, such as the station Borbeck which learned a
decorative hand-crafted arranging in 2001, today.
Other parts of the municipal district, such as Schoenebeck, Bedingrade
and Gerschede, could keep their agrarian structures in parts and convey
to this day one clear picture to the pre-industrial time."

to Municipal district IV named Borbeck belonge
area 16, Essen-Schoenebeck
area 17, Essen-Bedingrade
area 18, Essen-Frintrop
area 19, Essen-Dellwig
area 20, Essen-Gerschede
area 21, Essen-Borbeck Center
area 22, Essen-Bochold
area 23, Essen-Bergeborbeck


map of Essen-Bergeborbeck see here:
http://www.viamichelin.com/viamichelin/deu/dyn/controller/mapPerformPage?pim=true&act=RefineToMap&rnd=1132087116241&E_mg=210505320kS6J305319213822103576MAPB2C19103deu542000130t1103eur000aQm9yYmVjaw00001100&stat=ambiguous_map&google=1&strChoice=0

Josef

Henning Boettcher

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Nov 15, 2005, 3:29:06 PM11/15/05
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"Bill Arndts" <pega...@yahoo.com> schrieb

> Dear Josef; Thank you for your response. I should point out that
the
> spelling "Berge Borbeck" was the way the passenger list spelled it
(I
> was only spelling it the way it spelled the word). Do you know
what
> "Rpr" means? You mention that Bergeborbeck is a suburb of Essen.
Thank
> you for confirming my guess. Do you know if it was part of Essen
in
> 1902, and if it was a suburb then? I ask because my knowledge of
Germany
> is limited, and I`m trying to learn something about the place that
my
> ancestor`s brother and his family apparently came from.

Borbeck and Altenessen became parts of Essen in 1915.
Source: Meyers Lexikon 1926.

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