BADEN-WURTTEMBERG ? BADEN-ALSACE LORAINE?
WJLMD
FROM WARREN LIEDEL wj...@aol.com
What is the difference between Baden-Wurttemberg and Baden-Alsace Loraine?
My grandfather always gave his birthplace as Baden however he also
mentioned
Alsace Loraine at times. He emigrated to the U.S.A. about 1874 or 1875.
his school record thru the eighth grade appears to be from Oestringen and
that may now be stringen near Heidelberg.
Can anyone explain the difference if any between Baden-Wurttemberg and
Baden-Alsace Loraine? Are they the same geographical location in different
time /political/periods.
Any help will be appreciated.
wjl...@aol.com Warren Liedel
Brendan R. Wehrung
Baden-Alsace Lorraine was never a political entity. Generally the
Alsace-Lorraine region and Baden-Wuerttemberg are separated by the river
Rhine and only shared the same national soverignty during periods of
German occuaption of the former. If your grandfather was born before 1900
in Baden he could well lived or worked in Alsace (as it was then, Elsass)
as a young man. France reacquired the area at the conclusion of World War
I. I have ancestors from both sides of the Rhine and it has always amused
me that while they probably lived no moe than 75 miles apart, they had to
come 3,000 miles to the U.S. midwest to meet and marry.
Brendan Wehrung
H. Andrew Brown
WJLMD wrote:
>
> FROM WARREN LIEDEL wj...@aol.com
> My grandfather always gave his birthplace as Baden however he also
> mentioned
> Alsace Loraine at times. He emigrated to the U.S.A. about 1874 or 1875.
> his school record thru the eighth grade appears to be from Oestringen and
> that may now be stringen near Heidelberg.
>
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Warren:
I wondered if you were not stretching 'Oestringen' to get 'stringen'. I
would read 'Oestringen' as East RINGEN. But in looking at the list of
communities and parishes for BADEN-WURTEMBURG the closest would be
RINGING with two locations in the WURTEMBURG area of BADEN - Stringen
was not listed as a community or parish. If a possibility, you might
want to check the parish records of the two Ringings for more
information - perhaps Oestringing was a small hamlet near one of the
larger Ringings.
Ringen could be easily the way an American would spell a German
immigrant's pronunciation of Ringing.
However Ringing in Wurtemburg would not fit with your ancestor's claim
to Baden. Did he say so on his NYC passenger arrival list? Or German
passenger departure list? Did he claim Baden as his birthplace in the
1880 US Census? Or more importantly if living in 1920, what German
state did he claim as his birthplace in the 1920 US Census which asked
this question of German born Americans?
H. Andrew Brown
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--If from Alsace, I would wonder if the old German names have been
replaced with French names.
Brendan R. Wehrung
Some of my Baden ancestors came from Oestringen. Its church records up to
the 1890's and some dating back to 1628 are easily available from LDS.
The village (now a mid-sized city of about 10,000 if I was told correctly)
is south of Heidelberg, probably by about 20 miles.
Brendan Wehrung
Haglong
Napolean conquered all land west of the Rhine. At the height of his power
in 1812, he controlled land even east of the Rhine, although it wasn't
officially part of France. In 1815, land directly east of the Rhibne was
Baden and land further east was Wurtemburg. Baden-Alsace is the land
directly west of teh Rhine which became part of France under Napolian, but
was later returned to German control.
Timewat599
Hello, my name is Kim and I have been attempting to locate additional
information
re: my family roots that I have traced back to bothe BADEN AND
WURTTEMBERG. Surnames such as Fink, Arnold, Zundel, Knear or Knorr,
Epple, and the Mebes. Most have dob around the late 1780's to early
1800's.
I have no clue how to search for further information in Germany or who to
contact to find out where I could write to in Germany for the information.
I have names and dob's, marriages and home town of birth and places of
burial for most, but for some I can go no further until gaining more from
Germany. Any suggestions?
Still Searching,
Kimberly Fink Bell
col...@plainfield.bypass.com
Hi,
Find your nearest FAMILY HISTORY CENTER for the Church of Latter Day
Saints (Mormans), go there and you should be able to get what you need
without going to/or writing to Germany. I used a FHC and traced my
German ancestry back to 1550!
Don
bob doerr
col...@plainfield.bypass.com wrote:
: Hi,
: Don
I have seen tht happen, but not in most cases. Visiting the FHC is a
good first start.
Bob Doerr in the beautiful Mo. Ozarks
Celia E. Mitschelen
>col...@plainfield.bypass.com wrote:
>: > re: my family roots that I have traced back to bothe BADEN AND
>: > WURTTEMBERG. Surnames such as Fink, Arnold, Zundel, Knear or
Knorr,
>: > Epple, and the Mebes. Most have dob around the late 1780's to
early
>: > 1800's.
>: > I have no clue how to search for further information in Germany or
who to
>: > contact to find out where I could write to in Germany for the
information.
>: > I have names and dob's, marriages and home town of birth and
places of
>: > burial for most, but for some I can go no further until gaining
more from
>: > Germany. Any suggestions?
>: > Still Searching,
>: > Kimberly Fink Bell
>
>
>: Hi,
>
>: Find your nearest FAMILY HISTORY CENTER for the Church of Latter Day
>: Saints (Mormans), go there and you should be able to get what you
need
>: without going to/or writing to Germany. I used a FHC and traced my
>: German ancestry back to 1550!
Excellent advice. You have what many peopl would give the eye-teeth
for, a date and a place.
Most of the people that come into the FHC where I volunteer think that
all they have is the Family Search programs on the computer and can't
understand why they can't find their family. In opinion these programs
are over emphasized. The valuable material available through the FHC
are the microfiche and microfilmed records.
If your family didn't move around a lot and if you are lucky enough to
have the church records survive the ages it is not unlikely that you
too can get back to about 1560, when the Lutheran church started
keeping records. Wuerttemberg embraced the Reformation,courtesy of the
ruler at that period, later they were given more of a choice so you
might have catholic records. Take your list of places and get help in
using the locality index to find what records are available. Then
order the ones that seem most likely. It will cost $3 for each roll and
they will stay there 3 weeks; however for $1.50 more they will keep
them 6 months. I recommend starting with just one untill you get the
hang of reading them. Don't let the first sight discourage you. It is
possible to teach ourself to read them.
Good luck,
Celia
Larry Naukam
Also, try to find a library which holds Angus Baxter's IN SEARCH OF
YOUR (GERMAN, ENGLISH, WHATEVER) ROOTS. He has done a whole series of
these books, and they are excellent intro's for showing you what
records exist and how to get hold of them. Also, try Cyndi Howells'
page (http://www.oz.net/~cyndihow/) which has 11,500 references
broken out library style, including German. It's an excellent source
which I use in all my genealogy classes.
Good Luck
Larry