Evangelische Defined
Jim & Ginny
films from 1632 to 1890 in Konitz West Prussia.
One of my questions is exactly what "was "the Evangelische Kirche (KrSt.
Konitz) in the 1800's? Today I see the word Evangelical used with the
Lutheran, Protestant, COE and even just by itself as a Religion. How do I
briefly define Evangelische in my records to differentiate it from a more
modern understanding.
In the Catholic Church birth records the parents were on some records were
identified as Kath. In some other records the father was Kath. and I can
not read what was noted in the mothers listing. I would like to think the
word was Evangecal but it is not clear. Other instances of the word on
other pages were equally unclear. The word does not appear to be an
abbreviation and was not capitalized. To of the letters in the word were
"decenders" like a "g or y" and the last letter was an open ascender
brobably an "L". If she was not born a Catholic is there a word used for a
"convert". This was not their first child and I have not currently found
the marriage record. Her name was "Kohn".
In German Script, the lower case letter "i" was often written as an "i" or
sometimes as a "y". If a surname ended in the modern suffix "ski' but on
records written in German Script (military records) the letter sk"i" was
written as or shaped like a "y" am I correct in assuming that this is an
"i". The name I am researching is Rutzinski. Most times the "t" is missing,
their is a "zy" and almost always the last letter is a dotted "i". I am
just trying to be somewhat accurate in listing the various spellings of the
surname particularly in the instance of the "sky".
I have limited access to the Internet News Groups.
Thanks Jim H.
Bernd J. Kaup
> Hello, I am currently reviewing Katholische and Evangelische church FHL
> films from 1632 to 1890 in Konitz West Prussia.
>
> One of my questions is exactly what "was "the Evangelische Kirche (KrSt.
> Konitz) in the 1800's? Today I see the word Evangelical used with the
> Lutheran, Protestant, COE and even just by itself as a Religion. How do I
> briefly define Evangelische in my records to differentiate it from a more
> modern understanding.
Ifear, it's not a question of "modern" terms but one of german-american
cultural clash.
A German asked for his religion would tend to answer "evangelisch" if
beeing member of any protestant church, protestant being regarded a term
for official use only.
For tax purposes (you may know that a tax is levied for the churches by
the state) one would define closer: evangelisch-lutherisch,
evangelisch-reformiert, evangelisch-uniert, evangelisch-freikirchlich.
>
> In the Catholic Church birth records the parents were on some records were
> identified as Kath.
as of 1870 one differentiates between roemisch-katholisch and
altkatholisch, sommebody saying he was katholisch is roemisch-katholisch.
In some other records the father was Kath. and I can
> not read what was noted in the mothers listing. I would like to think the
> word was Evangecal but it is not clear. Other instances of the word on
> other pages were equally unclear. The word does not appear to be an
> abbreviation and was not capitalized. To of the letters in the word were
> "decenders" like a "g or y" and the last letter was an open ascender
> brobably an "L". If she was not born a Catholic is there a word used for a
> "convert". This was not their first child and I have not currently found
> the marriage record. Her name was "Kohn".
if her name was KOHN she was most probably jewisch, which may show in
records as "israelisch".
>
> In German Script, the lower case letter "i" was often written as an "i" or
> sometimes as a "y". If a surname ended in the modern suffix "ski' but on
> records written in German Script (military records) the letter sk"i" was
> written as or shaped like a "y" am I correct in assuming that this is an
> "i". The name I am researching is Rutzinski. Most times the "t" is missing,
> their is a "zy" and almost always the last letter is a dotted "i". I am
> just trying to be somewhat accurate in listing the various spellings of the
> surname particularly in the instance of the "sky".
the transscription of polish, russian or other slawish names differs. Y
or I in the ending, TZ or Z, E in russian may be JE or E or even JO or O.
BTW: the german authorities had the same difficulty with non-native
speakers as the american Immigration officers when taking down name as
spoken.
mfg
bjk
Bernd J. Kaup
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mfg
bjk
Bernd Mayer
Bernd J. Kaup schrieb am 09.04.2006 12:49:
> Jim & Ginny wrote:
>> Hello, I am currently reviewing Katholische and Evangelische church FHL
>> films from 1632 to 1890 in Konitz West Prussia.
>>
>> One of my questions is exactly what "was "the Evangelische Kirche (KrSt.
>> Konitz) in the 1800's? Today I see the word Evangelical used with the
>> Lutheran, Protestant, COE and even just by itself as a Religion. How
>> do I
>> briefly define Evangelische in my records to differentiate it from a more
>> modern understanding.
>
> Ifear, it's not a question of "modern" terms but one of german-american
> cultural clash.
>
> A German asked for his religion would tend to answer "evangelisch" if
> beeing member of any protestant church, protestant being regarded a term
> for official use only.
>
> For tax purposes (you may know that a tax is levied for the churches by
> the state) one would define closer: evangelisch-lutherisch,
> evangelisch-reformiert, evangelisch-uniert, evangelisch-freikirchlich.
>
In germany the main protestant religion was and still is
"evangelisch-lutherisch". You may assume that "evangelisch" without
further specification is reading as "evangelisch-lutherisch"
Bernd Mayer