ARE HUNGARIANS MONGOLS?
Maria Egorov
ARE HUNGARIANS MONGOLS? (Revised Version)Version 3
The Hungarians does not look any more Mongoloids for the same reasons the
Turks in Istanbul
look European.
It is also true that the Hungarians of today look European.But their
roots are Mongolic.
From Britannica :(Languages of the world)
"Racially the Uralic people present an unhomogeneous picture.In general
they may be considered
a bland of Europeans and Mongoloid types,with the more western
groups(especially the Hungarians,Baltic-Finnic and Erzya Mardvin groups)
being strongly European and those of the Urals primarily Mongoloid".
From " De Administrado Imperio"by Constantine Porphyrogenitus (Byzantine
Emperor,950AD)
"These eight clans of the TURKS(Hungarians)do not obey their own
particular princes...,They
have for their first chief the prince who comes by succession of Arpad's
family..."
From The Hungarian Chronicle(1095AD):
"We (Hungarians) are descendants of the great Huns of Attila".
From "The Mongols" By Jeremiah Curtin
"Five groups of Mongols have made themselves famous in Europe:The Huns
with their mighty chief Attila,the Magyars,The Turks or Osmanli,the
Mongol invaders of Russia..."
From "The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire" By Edward Gibbon.
"The(Hungarians) are distinguished by the Greeks under the proper and
peculiar name of Turks,
as descendants of that people who had conquered and reigned form China to
the Volga (referring to the Mongols)".
From "The Cambridge Medieval History" edited by J.H.Hussey.
"The form ovyypoi,from which are derived the various names current to
this day among the people of Europe(Old Church Slavonic,UGRI; Russian,
VENGRI;German,UNGARN;English,HUNGARIANS;French,HONGROIS;Italian,UNGHERESI,
and so on)comes from the Turkic ethnic name ONOGUR meaning TEN OGUR"
From "The Thirteenth Tribe" by Arthur Koestler.
"We also hear of a fearful encounter which St.Cyril,the Apostle of the
Slav,had with a Magyar horde in 860,on his way to Khazaria.He was saying
his prayers when they rushed at him luporum more ululantes-HOWLING IN THE
MANNER OF WOLVES".
From "Britannica"(Languages of the world).
"Recent study indicates that it is posible to speak of a Uralic racial
type,an intermediate stage between the European and the Mongoloid,the
basic features of which are medium-dark to dark hair and eye colour,
relatively small stature and often a concave bridge of the nose".
(Hungary is part of Uralic racial type).
From "Britanica" Hungarian.
"The proto-Hungarians were apparently an ethnic blend of Ugric(Mongoloid)
and Turkish peoples living in western Siberia...The Hungarians were the
scourge of Europe,raiding as far afield as Bremen,Orleans and
Constantinople(the English word OGRE-a men eating man,hideous cruel man,
is a corruption of HUNGAR,attests to their notoriety).
From "1000 years of Hungary" By Emil Lengyel.
"(Hungarian) Folklore speaks about NIMROD the giant,who had two sons,
HUNOR and HAGAR.The former was the ancestor of the HUNS,and MAGOR was the
ancestor of the MAGYARS."
"The experience the Magyars left with the Western world was so traumatic
that even generations later people form the West saw the Hungarians as
apocalyptic monsters. Bishop Otto of Freysing spoke of the exterior of
the Hungarians as 素erocious' at the time of the Crusades :(Their eyes
are sunken,their stature is short,their behavior wild,their language
barbarous,so that one can either accuse fate or marvel at divine patience
for having permitted these monsters the possession of an enchanting
land)".
From "History of Hungary" By Denis Sinor
"Though, geographically speaking, of European origin, the Hungarians who
settled in the Danube valley were,spiritually and materially, Asiatics,
and belonged to the great Central Euroasiatic cultural family whose
members lived dispersed form the Danube to China, from Persia and India
to the Arctic. The Hungarian bows and arrows...were of exactly the same
type as those used in Central Asia. As nomadic peoples generally do, the
Hungarians disliked towns,and even houses,to which they preferred tents.
According to Otto von Freisingen, as late as the middle of the twelfth
century, summer and autumn were still spent under tents".
"It is, however quite certain that the Mongoloid type was well
represented among them(Hungarians), and that they were, on the whole, of
rather short stature, with short legs, bowed through continuous riding".
There are many more credible sources like these.
Adalbert Goertz
The question is not accurate.
Are the Hungarians Mongols? NO
Is the Hungarian language mongoloid? Yes.
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Randall Kloko
Adalbert Goertz wrote:
>
> The question is not accurate.
> Are the Hungarians Mongols? NO
> Is the Hungarian language mongoloid? Yes.
"mongoloid". It can only lead to misunderstandings.
Hungarian and Mongolian both belong to the same superfamily of languages,
the Ural-Altaic languages. But they aren't very closely related. The
relationship is more like this:
Uralic Languages:
Finnic: Finnish, Estonian, Sami, Mordvin, etc.
Ugric: Hungarian, Ostyak, etc.
Altaic Languages:
Turkic: Turkish, Kazakh, Uzbek, Kirghiz, Yakut, etc.
Mongolian: Buryat, Khalkha, etc.
Tungusic: Manchu, Monguor, Evenki, etc.
Central Asia is a big place, and there's a lot of time, space, languages
and ethnic groups between Hungarian and Mongolian.
RK Kloko
Special Collections Library
Duke University
Maria Egorov
1. Hungarians are of a NON EUROPEAN Race ( since they came from Siberia).
2. Hungarians are of a NON EUROPEAN Language ( well known aspect)
3. All chronicles written INDEPENDENTLY of each other specifies(and
implicitly sustains) these facts in one way or another.
HUNGARIANS WERE: 1. NON EUROPEAN ( By Race).
(Past)
2. NON EUROPEAN ( By Language).
3. NON EUROPEAN ( By Culture ).
4. NON EUROPEAN ( By Name ).
HUNGARIANS ARE: 1. NON EUROPEAN ( By the first, second Racial layer)
( Present)
2. NON EUROPEAN ( By Language)
3. EUROPEAN ( By Culture)
4. NON EUROPEAN ( By Name)
Now, who were the HUNGARIANS ( Racially)?.Based on innumerable sources
we can create the fallowing picture:
CHRONOLOGICAL COMPOSITION
( Racial Layers added in
time)
FIRST LAYER ... To 500 AD Mongolic + Hunic + Turkic
+...
SECOND 500 To 900 AD Turkic + Slavic + Viking
+Alanic(?) +...
THIRD 900 To 1400 AD Vlach + Slavic +
Germanic + ...
FORTH 1400 To Present Vlack + Germanic +
Slavic + ...
RESULT: HUNGARIANS with an EUROPEAN physiognomy.
Remember: Mongolic = People of Mongol Descent.
Hunic = Mongols + Turks +...
Alanic = Persians (Iranians) + Romans + Goths
+...
Turkic = Bulgarians + Chazars + Avars + Huns
+ Pecenegs + Cummans +...
Slavic = Slavs + Goths + Vikings + Huns +
Turks +...
ETC
The Hungarian language indicates a NON EUROPEAN ancestry, Uralic how you
like to call it.
The Uralic Region WAS NOT INHABITED by an EUROPEAN RACE.(any attempt to
go 10,000 or more years ago to prove a relationship between Europeans and
URALICS is NON SENSE, I can go few million years back and discover a
common ancestry for mankind).
The European Slavs were the Gate of Europe in the East as far as Dnieper
River. From Dnieper to Urals and farther East were no Europeans to be
found until 900 AD. By 900 AD the Slavs expended East of Dnieper ( under
Viking rule).
The Hungarian language presents Mongolic, Turkic, Hunic characteristics
as the race of the Hungarians presents different LAYERS ( The first Layer
was MONGOLIC + TURKIC + HUNIC).
Maria Egorov
Dear Adalbert,
I forgot to specify the following aspect:
The Hungarians are Mongols by theier first RACIAL LAYER.
W. Fred Rump
LGB...@prodigy.com (Maria Egorov) wrote:
>1. Hungarians are of a NON EUROPEAN Race ( since they came from Siberia).
Please, let's not get into this. The subject of race and European are
not even in the same ballpark. We should remind ourselves that the
word and area of the Caucasus gave white people their racial
characteristics.
Fred
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jeff bahr
LGB...@prodigy.com (Maria Egorov) wrote:
>1. Hungarians are of a NON EUROPEAN Race ( since they came from Siberia).
I believe Hungarian is a citizenship, not an ethnicity or nationality. The
ethnic composition of Hungary is very diverse, with Magyars, Germans,
Slovaks, Gypsies, and many others. And yes, all of them are mongrels of
some kind: The German share goes back to when the (Asian) stone-axe people
overran the (African) megalithic aborigines. What about Siberia? The
Mongols came from China.