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Molan, Gary - ES/EW

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Oct 23, 2009, 2:09:18 PM10/23/09
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HI, we have a Marriage Certificate from Bonn from 1878.

The Groom Carl Joseph Schneider comes from Erpel. (near Remagen in the Rheinland-Pfalz) (about 10km SE of Bonn). After the marriage they went back to Erpel.

We cannot read the name of the town that the bride Christina Nagel is from.

It is in the middle of the picture and it says

und
Christina Nagel
Ledig,
Geboren zu ????? am 27 ten Februar 1851
Tochter von Johann Nagel und
Anna Maria Aussem
Hier erfolgt ist
Bonn, den 21 ten Januar 1878.

The picture is hosted at
http://www.hotlinkfiles.com/view/full/2410080_wpou3

Thank you for your help
Gary

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J. Anderl

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Oct 23, 2009, 5:32:18 PM10/23/09
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It looks to me like Thendeneck, but I can find no such place
in the ShtetlSeeker. Oh, by the way, I read the date as
31. Januar, not 21.
Best regards,
J. Anderl

GaryP55

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Oct 23, 2009, 8:28:24 PM10/23/09
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Thank you

Joan Lowrey

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Oct 23, 2009, 9:37:48 PM10/23/09
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The first letter is I, J. or T. I found no close matches under Ih or
Jh, but under Th I found Theuderau. That could be it, although the
last letter in the document doesn't look like a "u". But it could be.

Theuderau is/was a knight's estate in Schlesien - far from
Bonn! Does that make any sense?

It is/was in Kreis Ohlau, near Quosnitz, Zottwitz and Leisewitz.
Population in 1910 was 110.

Joan Neumann Lowrey


J. Anderl wrote:
>It looks to me like Thendeneck, but I can find no such place
>in the ShtetlSeeker.

>"Molan, Gary wrote:


>HI, we have a Marriage Certificate from Bonn from 1878.

Richard van Schaik

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Oct 23, 2009, 10:17:31 PM10/23/09
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Joan Lowrey wrote:
> The first letter is I, J. or T. I found no close matches under Ih or Jh,
> but under Th I found Theuderau. That could be it, although the last
> letter in the document doesn't look like a "u". But it could be.
>
> Theuderau is/was a knight's estate in Schlesien - far from Bonn! Does
> that make any sense?

Same initial characters I had in mind, but no fitting place found in the
neighbourhood of Bonn (every variant (used viamichelin) came somewhere
below M�nchen or in the "far east" (limited to current Germany that is)).

I do think your option (or other options as likely) far from Bonn does
make sense.

A clear handwriting for the remaining and even that gives already a
struggle to get it right on this part.

Richard

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J. Anderl

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Oct 24, 2009, 9:04:17 AM10/24/09
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It could, of course, have been a small suburb of one of the bigger
cities such as Bonn or Cologne, and has since been absorbed by
that city. That happened a lot with the growth of towns and cities.
A German from the area who is also familiar with the historical
background could shed some light on the matter.
(I find it hard to subscribe to the "Theuderau" theory - the letters
at the end of the word just don't match)
J. Anderl

"Richard van Schaik" wrote:
> Joan Lowrey wrote:
>> The first letter is I, J. or T. I found no close matches under Ih or Jh, but
>> under Th I found Theuderau. That could be it, although the last letter in the
>> document doesn't look like a "u". But it could be.
>>
>> Theuderau is/was a knight's estate in Schlesien - far from Bonn! Does that
>> make any sense?
>
> Same initial characters I had in mind, but no fitting place found in the
> neighbourhood of Bonn (every variant (used viamichelin) came somewhere below

> M�nchen or in the "far east" (limited to current Germany that is)).

GaryP55

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Oct 24, 2009, 10:53:29 AM10/24/09
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thank you

On Fri, 23 Oct 2009 18:37:48 -0700, Joan Lowrey <joan...@pacbell.net>
wrote:

GaryP55

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Oct 24, 2009, 10:53:51 AM10/24/09
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thank you

GaryP55

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Oct 24, 2009, 10:54:11 AM10/24/09
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thank you again

On Sat, 24 Oct 2009 09:04:17 -0400, "J. Anderl"
<jos...@optonline.net> wrote:

>It could, of course, have been a small suburb of one of the bigger
>cities such as Bonn or Cologne, and has since been absorbed by
>that city. That happened a lot with the growth of towns and cities.
>A German from the area who is also familiar with the historical
>background could shed some light on the matter.
>(I find it hard to subscribe to the "Theuderau" theory - the letters
>at the end of the word just don't match)
>J. Anderl
>
>"Richard van Schaik" wrote:
>> Joan Lowrey wrote:
>>> The first letter is I, J. or T. I found no close matches under Ih or Jh, but
>>> under Th I found Theuderau. That could be it, although the last letter in the
>>> document doesn't look like a "u". But it could be.
>>>
>>> Theuderau is/was a knight's estate in Schlesien - far from Bonn! Does that
>>> make any sense?
>>
>> Same initial characters I had in mind, but no fitting place found in the
>> neighbourhood of Bonn (every variant (used viamichelin) came somewhere below

>> M�nchen or in the "far east" (limited to current Germany that is)).

Daria Wieczorek

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Oct 24, 2009, 12:04:33 PM10/24/09
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J. Anderl wrote:
> It could, of course, have been a small suburb of one of the bigger
> cities such as Bonn or Cologne, and has since been absorbed by
> that city. That happened a lot with the growth of towns and cities.
> A German from the area who is also familiar with the historical
> background could shed some light on the matter.

My thoughts exactly - and that's why I just posted the same request to
de.sci.genealogie,

Daria

Daria Wieczorek

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Oct 24, 2009, 2:19:51 PM10/24/09
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J. Anderl wrote:
> A German from the area who is also familiar with the historical
> background could shed some light on the matter.

Frank Hoffmann suggests in de.sci.genealogie
(<4ae34286$0$7624$9b4e...@newsspool1.arcor-online.net>) that it might
be Kendenich, now part of H�rth:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H%C3%BCrth#Kendenich

Daria

GaryP55

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Oct 24, 2009, 2:30:36 PM10/24/09
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Thank you, we will try that town

On Sat, 24 Oct 2009 20:19:51 +0200, Daria Wieczorek
<daria.w...@uni-giessen.de> wrote:

>J. Anderl wrote:
>> A German from the area who is also familiar with the historical
>> background could shed some light on the matter.
>
>Frank Hoffmann suggests in de.sci.genealogie
>(<4ae34286$0$7624$9b4e...@newsspool1.arcor-online.net>) that it might

>be Kendenich, now part of H�rth:
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H%C3%BCrth#Kendenich
>
>Daria

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