Oberbauerschaft

[Indiana41]

Does any one know exactly where this town is located. It is listed as my great
grandfather's hometown on his passenger list. From what I can tell it may be
close to Luebbecke, but I don't know for sure.

[Don Watson]

http://web.nstar.net/~dwat6911/towns.htm

Indiana41 <indi...@aol.comnospam> wrote in message
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[Rainer Etterling]

There are three places named Oberbauerschaft. All of them are no longer
independent but part of other smaller towns.
They are nowadays a part of:
- "Hüllhorst", zip 32609, 5 km southeast of Lübbecke (Luebbecke)
- "Senden", zip 48308, about 15 km southwest of Münster / Westf
- "Hamminkeln", zip 46499, straight between Bocholt and Wesel

Rainer

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[Roy Johnson]

Indiana41 wrote in message <19990414113613...@ng153.aol.com>...

>Does any one know exactly where this town is located. It is listed as my
great
>grandfather's hometown on his passenger list. From what I can tell it may
be
>close to Luebbecke, but I don't know for sure.

Who are you and what was your grandfather's name? Kreis Minden and Kreis
Luebbecke are my areas of research. I might have something.

Roy Johnson
Researching Schnake
http://home.att.net/~schnakenet

[Roy Johnson]

Response to Jim Oberman:

I checked my database and do not have any Oebermanns in it. My detailed map
goes barely to Huellhorst and I don't see it there.

I have a thought -- "Bauerschaft" means "peasantry", and in my research in
the parish records, I find the peasants were assigned to this or that
"Bauerschaft", usually associated with a village. Thus, in Unterluebbe and
surroundings, they were listed as belonging to "Bauerschaft Unterluebbe" for
example.

I don't understand the system well enough to know if they were organized
into a "peasantry" (Bauerschaft) and an "Over-peasantry" (Oberbauerschaft),
but the term might have some meaning other than a place name. Say
Unterluebbe was a village and Hille is a larger town nearby; might they
belong to "Bauerschaft Unterluebbe" and "Oberbauerschaft Hille"? I don't
know. Was "Oberbauerschaft" followed by anything that could be the place
name of the "Oberbauerschaft" that they belonged to?

Maybe some native Germans would know the answer to this. I will post to the
group and see what comes up.

Roy Johnson
http://home.att.net/~schnakenet

[S.]

most obviously there is a relation to a location, e.g. the farmers of the
upper, lower, middle,.. area . North of Hannover, in Isernhagen, you will
find similar place names.
"Oberbauernschaft" is not in comnnection with a superior local
administration or organisation.

mfg HHz

[Roy Johnson]

S. wrote in message <371C13...@aol.com>...

Yes, that's what it usually means. The family I am researching lived mostly
in Unterluebbe and Oberluebbe, near the area in discussion. Oberluebbe is a
bit higher up in the hills than Unterluebbe. In this case there is no Luebbe
in the middle, but that was often the case with other such names.

However, "peasantry" (Bauerschaft) would be an unusual way to name a
village, especially since it also was used to refer collectively to the
peasants of an area around a specific village . I know from researching the
area that the peasants were often listed as belonging to "Bauerschaft
Oberluebbe" or "Bauerschaft Unterluebbe" if they lived in a nearby smaller
village. If "Bauerschaft" or "Oberbauerschaft" are village names, then the
peasants there would belong to "Bauerschaft Bauerschaft", or "Bauerschaft
Oberbauerschaft" and that sounds strange. I was just searching for a
possible alternate explanation in this specific case.

Roy Johnson

[Roy Johnson]

Indiana41 wrote in message <19990414113613...@ng153.aol.com>...
>Does any one know exactly where this town is located. It is listed as my
great
>grandfather's hometown on his passenger list. From what I can tell it may
be
>close to Luebbecke, but I don't know for sure.

Bingo!

I just did a search on AltaVista -- now, why didn't I think of that to start
with?

There was a page for "Huellhorst: Stadtrundfahrt durch Oberbauerschaft"

The history of Oberbauerschaft is given; in 1998 it had 2883 inhabitants
and
is the second largest section (Ortsteil) of Huellhorst.The history of this
given with links to other areas in Luebbecke.

http://www.altkreis-luebbecke.de/huellhorst/stadtrh7.htm

So I was wrong. It is a village name after all. I enjoy being wrong; it's
how I learn.

Also looks like I didn't read the posts thoroughly; the post from "Rainer"
gave a detailed answer that I missed.

Roy Johnson

[Billowiz]

you can find it at:
http://www.yahoo.de
and type in "Oberbauerschaft" and you will get results-yes it is in the Lubbeck
area at the "Bergkuppe" which is a hilltop. See map at link:
http://www.luebbecke-online.de/brachen/hotel-kahlewart/anfarht.html
Good luck!