Kaiser Wilhelm Surname ? ?
RWilli1380
What was the family name and location of Kaiser Wilhelm ??
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Danke
Bob
H. Hoeksema
Berlin/Prussia
RWilli1380 <rwill...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Udo Klasmeier
>
> Can someone please help me with this /?
>
> What was the family name and location of Kaiser Wilhelm ??
> Please reply to RWill...@aol.com
>
> Thanks
> Danke
> Bob
I think it was "von Hohenzollern"
--
Udo Klasmeier
Stuttgart
Lars Jørgen Helbo
<h.hoe...@castel.nl> wrote:
>Keizer Wilhelm is from the House HOHENZOLLERN, and was living in
>Berlin/Prussia
But that is not a family-name is it ???
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>>
>> What was the family name and location of Kaiser Wilhelm ??
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H. Hoeksema
before the Prussian Kings since many of hundreds years ! Like Bourbon in
France or Borbon in Spain; like Windsor in Great Britten; Oranje-Nassau in
the Netherlands; Saksen in Belgium. etc. I have all the kings of Europe
since Charlesmagne (ca. 800- till now).
Lars Jørgen Helbo <he...@bigfoot.com> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 18 Jan 2000 11:33:52 +0100, "H. Hoeksema"
> <h.hoe...@castel.nl> wrote:
>
> >Keizer Wilhelm is from the House HOHENZOLLERN, and was living in
> >Berlin/Prussia (also Potsdam)
Lars Jørgen Helbo
<h.hoe...@castel.nl> wrote:
>Of course: Hohenzollern that's the familyname of the German Emperors and
>before the Prussian Kings since many of hundreds years ! Like Bourbon in
>France or Borbon in Spain; like Windsor in Great Britten; Oranje-Nassau in
>the Netherlands; Saksen in Belgium. etc. I have all the kings of Europe
>since Charlesmagne (ca. 800- till now).
IMHO these are not really family-names. They are the names of the
families to which these royalties belong. But I dont think you can
talk about a family-name.
At least I am certain that the royalties in the Scandinavian countries
have no family-names. Also I can hardly imagine anybody talking about
"Her Majesty, Lady Elisabeth Windsor"?
Hussain de la Croix
nobility information and genealogy. I do not know off-hand what they
have on the genealogy of the Kaiser, but they should have something.
Hussain
RWilli1380 wrote:
> Can someone please help me with this /?
>
> What was the family name and location of Kaiser Wilhelm ??
> Please reply to RWill...@aol.com
>
> Thanks
> Danke
> Bob
Tryggve Gestrin
Lars Jørgen Helbo wrote in message <38857398...@news.cybercity.dk>...
>IMHO these are not really family-names. They are the names of the
>families to which these royalties belong. But I dont think you can
>talk about a family-name.
>
>At least I am certain that the royalties in the Scandinavian countries
>have no family-names. Also I can hardly imagine anybody talking about
>"Her Majesty, Lady Elisabeth Windsor"?
But of course they have surnames! The King of Sweden is named Bernadotte,
for one. It is quite another thing that rulers are not usually addressed by
their family names. Just go one step away, though, and all other members of
the royal families use them: e.g. "Prince Bernadotte".
Tryggve Gestrin
Tryggve Gestrin
Ronald G. Wichern
> RWilli1380 wrote:
> >
> > Can someone please help me with this /?
> >
> > What was the family name and location of Kaiser Wilhelm ??
> > Please reply to RWill...@aol.com
> >
> > Thanks
> > Danke
> > Bob
>
> I think it was "von Hohenzollern"
Sein Enkel hieß s. k. H. Prinz Louis Ferdinand von Preußen.
Ob das auch für Willem II galt?
Ronald
Lars Jørgen Helbo
<tges...@saunalahti.fi> wrote:
>But of course they have surnames! The King of Sweden is named Bernadotte,
>for one.
OK, forgot I that - the exception confirming the rule - or can you
also tell me the family-names of the Danish queen and the Norwegian
king ;-)
Rod Bidinger
>OK, forgot I that - the exception confirming the rule - or can you
>also tell me the family-names of the Danish queen and the Norwegian
>king ;-)
At present the King of Norway's surname is "Glucksburg" (with umlaut over
the u)
The Queen of Denmark's surname is "Schleswig-Holstein" this house will
change when the
present Queen abdicates or dies. Her son's surname is "de Laborde de
Monpezat".
These can be checked at:
http://www.dcs.hull.ac.uk/public/genealogy/royal/catalog.html
Thanks,
Rod Bidinger
rwb...@home.com
H. Hoeksema
GLüCKSBURG and that's their Familyname/surname.
Lars Jørgen Helbo <he...@bigfoot.com> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 19 Jan 2000 19:39:37 +0200, "Tryggve Gestrin"
> <tges...@saunalahti.fi> wrote:
>
> >But of course they have surnames! The King of Sweden is named Bernadotte,
> >for one.
>
> OK, forgot I that - the exception confirming the rule - or can you
> also tell me the family-names of the Danish queen and the Norwegian
> king ;-)
Lars Jørgen Helbo
<h.hoe...@castel.nl> wrote:
>Both, Margarethe of Denmark and Harald of Norway, are from the House
>GLüCKSBURG and that's their Familyname/surname.
Rubbish. It is correct that she is from the house of Glücksburg, like
all kings since Christian IX, but this is and has definately never
been a familyname or surname. Her complete name is:
Margrethe Alexandrine Þorhildur Ingrid.
No surname there, and exactly the same goes for all previous kings. As
an example I can give you the entry from the churchbook for the
baptism of her grandfather Christian X. It says:
Year and date of birth: 1870 Septbr. 26.
Full name of the child: Christian Carl Frederik Albert Alexander
Vilhelm
Full name of the parents:
Kronprinds Christian Frederik Vilhelm Carl
og Kronprindsesse Lovisa Josephine Eugenia. 19 years old.
You can see a scanned image of the original entry at the homepage of
the national archive in Copenhagen under:
http://www.sa.dk/lak/saxo/kongeligt/chr10.htm
It was these facts that made me wonder how it is in other royal
families. It now seems as if there are differences. Bernadotte has
been mentioned, and after having checked some homepages I would even
accept Windsor as a family-name.
But Glücksburg is _definately_ not.
Lars Jørgen Helbo
wrote:
>The Queen of Denmark's surname is "Schleswig-Holstein" this house will
>change when the present Queen abdicates or dies. Her son's surname
>is "de Laborde de Monpezat".
Rubbish! The queen of Denmark is like the king of Norway from the
house of Glücksburg. This is originally the name of a castly in
Schleswig-Holstein. But this has _nothing_ to do with surnames.
Henri de Laborde de Monpezat _used_ to be the name of her husband. But
only until their mariage in 1967. By then he became a Danish citizen,
he converted from the catholic to the lutheran church and he changed
his name to Henrik.
>These can be checked at:
>http://www.dcs.hull.ac.uk/public/genealogy/royal/catalog.html
I am not impressed ;-)
Fv...@aol.com
rwb...@alw.nih.gov writes:
<<
The Queen of Denmark's surname is "Schleswig-Holstein" this house will
change when the
present Queen abdicates or dies. Her son's surname is "de Laborde de
Monpezat".
These can be checked at:
http://www.dcs.hull.ac.uk/public/genealogy/royal/catalog.html
>>
Excellent site, I love history and a lot of hard work went into this one.
Thanks for the URL. Frances
Lars Jørgen Helbo
>Excellent site, I love history and a lot of hard work went into this one.
>Thanks for the URL. Frances
But unfortunately in this case the information of this site is wrong
:-(
mona_...@juno.com
Mona
On Wed, 19 Jan 2000 19:39:37 +0200 "Tryggve Gestrin"
<tges...@saunalahti.fi> writes:
%
% Lars Jørgen Helbo wrote in message
% <38857398...@news.cybercity.dk>...
% >IMHO these are not really family-names. They are the names of the
% >families to which these royalties belong. But I dont think you can
% >talk about a family-name.
% >
% >At least I am certain that the royalties in the Scandinavian
% countries
% >have no family-names. Also I can hardly imagine anybody talking
% about
% >"Her Majesty, Lady Elisabeth Windsor"?
%
%
% But of course they have surnames! The King of Sweden is named
% Bernadotte,
% for one. It is quite another thing that rulers are not usually
% addressed by
% their family names. Just go one step away, though, and all other
% members of
% the royal families use them: e.g. "Prince Bernadotte".
%
% Tryggve Gestrin
%
%
%
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use surnames, but to all intents and purposes that is their surname. They
are heads of the household of that name, whether it be Hohenzolleran,
Habsburg, Windsor, Saxe-Coburg, etc. The other members of the family have to
get their consent to marry, etc. So --- to all intents and purposes it is
their surname too, whether they use it or not.
--
Ed Surkosky - ets...@nb.netnews:38872392...@news.cybercity.dk...
> >change when the present Queen abdicates or dies. Her son's surname
> >is "de Laborde de Monpezat".
>
> house of Glücksburg. This is originally the name of a castly in
> Schleswig-Holstein. But this has _nothing_ to do with surnames.
>
> Henri de Laborde de Monpezat _used_ to be the name of her husband. But
> only until their mariage in 1967. By then he became a Danish citizen,
> he converted from the catholic to the lutheran church and he changed
> his name to Henrik.
>
Lars Jørgen Helbo
<ets...@nb.net> wrote:
>You are correct to some extent. As a sovereign monarch they do not generally
>use surnames, but to all intents and purposes that is their surname.
At least for the royal family in Denmark this is _not_ correct. Please
take a look at:
http://www.sa.dk/lak/saxo/kongeligt/chr10.htm
It is a scanned image of the churchbook entry for the birth of king
Christian X (1870-1947), shown on the homepage of the national archive
in Copenhagen. In Denmark the churchbook is still the primary
registry, just as it was in Germany up to 1875. And a
birth-certificate is nothing but a transcribtion of the churchbook
entry. This means, this image gives all the information, which you
could find in his birth-certificate.
And it gives his _complete_ name as:
Christian Carl Frederik Albert Alexander Vilhelm
This means, "Glücksburg" or "Schleswig-Holstein" was NOT his name.
Please stop claiming this! It is really not a question of using or not
using a name. Danish royalties do NOT and have NEVER had family-names.
(If you want to continue claiming this - please provide some _real_
sources).
Having said that, I will off course admit that it may be different in
other countries. But the question is really not as easy and obvious as
some members of this group seem to think.
Gilbert von Studnitz
It is the same with the German ruling houses. HI&RH Prince Georg-Friedrich,
who succeeded his grandfather Prince Louis-Ferdinand as head of the Royal House
of Prussia in 1994, has no surname as such, but if pressed by those unfamiliar
with someone not having one, will use "von Preußen", or "of Prussia". The head
of the Princely House of Hohenzollern (since 1965) is Georg-Friedrich's very
distant cousin, HSH Prince Friedrich-Wilhelm. While this prince also has no
surname as such, he will use "von Hohenzollern".
Gilbert von Studnitz
Lars Jørgen Helbo
wrote:
>It is the same with the German ruling houses. HI&RH Prince Georg-Friedrich,
>who succeeded his grandfather Prince Louis-Ferdinand as head of the Royal House
>of Prussia in 1994, has no surname as such, but if pressed by those unfamiliar
>with someone not having one, will use "von Preußen", or "of Prussia". The head
>of the Princely House of Hohenzollern (since 1965) is Georg-Friedrich's very
>distant cousin, HSH Prince Friedrich-Wilhelm. While this prince also has no
>surname as such, he will use "von Hohenzollern".
That was exactly, what I had presumed. The late king of Denmark
Frederik IX would, when travelling privately abroad, sometimes use the
"surname" Rex and the title Count of Rosenborg. Rex is latin for king
and Rosenborg is one of the royal castles.
Per Lilje
>
> That was exactly, what I had presumed. The late king of Denmark
> Frederik IX would, when travelling privately abroad, sometimes use the
> "surname" Rex and the title Count of Rosenborg. Rex is latin for king
> and Rosenborg is one of the royal castles.
I don't know if anything is written under "surname" in the passports
of the present Norwegian Royals, but there is a story that the late
king Olav V, when he was a prince, had his patronymic, Haakonsen
(i.e. his father was king Haakon VII) written as surname. This helped
him a couple of times when dating his later wife, the Swedish princess
Märtha. The press mamaged to get hold of a list of all passengers
travelling on the Oslo-Stockholm train, but they didn't understand
that Mr. Olav Haakonsen was identical to Crown Prince Olav.
Per
Oliver Weiss
to the accuracy - tha said:
"Windsor" was adopted by the English royals in World War I, when "Hannover"
became unacceptable.
The Swedes elected on of Napoleon's marshals their king in the early
eighteen hundreds. This was a man of humble origins and did have a surname -
Bernadotte.
I don't know anything about the Norwegians.
The German imperial house is referred to as "The Hohenzollern," however
individual members have different names, none of them is using an official
last name.
When the Austrians abolished nobility after WWI, the members of the House
Habsburg changed their names to simply first and last name. That's how you
get an "Otto Habsburg" (the guy in the UN)
Cheers,
Oliver
Lars Jørgen Helbo <he...@bigfoot.com> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 19 Jan 2000 20:39:28 +0100, "H. Hoeksema"
> <h.hoe...@castel.nl> wrote:
>
> >Both, Margarethe of Denmark and Harald of Norway, are from the House
> >GLüCKSBURG and that's their Familyname/surname.
>
> Rubbish. It is correct that she is from the house of Glücksburg, like
> all kings since Christian IX, but this is and has definately never
> been a familyname or surname. Her complete name is:
>
> Margrethe Alexandrine Þorhildur Ingrid.
>
> No surname there, and exactly the same goes for all previous kings. As
> an example I can give you the entry from the churchbook for the
> baptism of her grandfather Christian X. It says:
>
> Year and date of birth: 1870 Septbr. 26.
> Full name of the child: Christian Carl Frederik Albert Alexander
> Vilhelm
> Full name of the parents:
> Kronprinds Christian Frederik Vilhelm Carl
> og Kronprindsesse Lovisa Josephine Eugenia. 19 years old.
>
> You can see a scanned image of the original entry at the homepage of
> the national archive in Copenhagen under:
>
> http://www.sa.dk/lak/saxo/kongeligt/chr10.htm
>
> It was these facts that made me wonder how it is in other royal
> families. It now seems as if there are differences. Bernadotte has
> been mentioned, and after having checked some homepages I would even
> accept Windsor as a family-name.
>
> But Glücksburg is _definately_ not.
the1sq...@gmail.com
> Can someone please help me with this /?
>
> What was the family name and location of Kaiser Wilhelm ??
> Please reply to RWill...@aol.com
>
> Thanks
> Danke
> Bob
Ralf Lehmeier
MfG R.Lehmeier
clemen...@gmail.com
> Udo Klasmeier schrieb:
> > RWilli1380 wrote:
> > >
> > > Can someone please help me with this /?
> > >
> > > What was the family name and location of Kaiser Wilhelm ??
> > > Please reply to RWill...@aol.com
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > > Danke
> > > Bob
> >
>
> Sein Enkel hieß s. k. H. Prinz Louis Ferdinand von Preußen.
>
> Ob das auch für Willem II galt?
>
> Ronald
Gruß Clemens