Many thanks,
--Ed Rice
edr...@deltanet.com
>I have been trying to locate where my grandfather was from in
>Marienwerder, West Prussia. I have only recently learned that
>Marienwerder was a district and not a town and never was able to
>locate it on a map. Can anyone describe where The Marienwerder
>District was on a map of Germany or know where I could locate an
>historical atlas or map that shows Marienwerder?
>
I don't have a map handy but I'm pretty sure that marienwerder was
both a Kreis (county) and a town. It was part of the land of former
Westprussia which was given to Poland after the arrangements of
Versailles. That is it became part of the infamous Polish Corridor
which separated East Prussia from Germany proper. It was south of
Danzig.
Fred
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>I have been trying to locate where my grandfather was from in
>Marienwerder, West Prussia. I have only recently learned that
>Marienwerder was a district and not a town and never was able to
>locate it on a map. Can anyone describe where The Marienwerder
>District was on a map of Germany or know where I could locate an
>historical atlas or map that shows Marienwerder?
Marienwerder is a small town in the former West-Prussia,that is
now Polish.Today all places have polish names.
In the following URL you will find an old map of West-Prussia
inclusive Marienwerder.The actuell Polish name I don't know.
http://www.feefhs.org/~feefhs/maps/gere/ge-wprus.html
A short description of Prussia's history is at:
http://tally.tally.com/bhp/packnet/prussia.html
Norbert
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Marienwerder was a Regierungsbezirk (administrative district with
17547,02 km²) and a Kreis (county with 951,13 km²) and a city.
Regards
Paul Stalder-Kim
> edr...@deltanet.com (Ed Rice) wrote:
> =
> >I have been trying to locate where my grandfather was from in
> >Marienwerder, West Prussia. I have only recently learned that
> >Marienwerder was a district and not a town and never was able to
> >locate it on a map. Can anyone describe where The Marienwerder
> >District was on a map of Germany or know where I could locate an
> >historical atlas or map that shows Marienwerder?
> >
> =
> I don't have a map handy but I'm pretty sure that marienwerder was
> both a Kreis (county) and a town. It was part of the land of former
> Westprussia which was given to Poland after the arrangements of
> Versailles. That is it became part of the infamous Polish Corridor
> which separated East Prussia from Germany proper. It was south of
> Danzig.
Fred,
I have not much knowledge about West Prussia, but I thought that =
Marienwerder kept German after 1918 and was not a part of the Corridor.
The Marienwerder region kept?/was a Regiergunsbezirk and came to =
East Prussia for the subsequent time up to 1945.
Who is wrong? You or me? =
Gunthard
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* Konstanz, Germany * *
>> I don't have a map handy but I'm pretty sure that marienwerder was
>> both a Kreis (county) and a town. It was part of the land of former
>> Westprussia which was given to Poland after the arrangements of
>I have not much knowledge about West Prussia, but I thought that
>Marienwerder kept German after 1918 and was not a part of the Corridor.
>The Marienwerder region kept?/was a Regiergunsbezirk and came to
>East Prussia for the subsequent time up to 1945.
>
>Who is wrong? You or me?
>
Gunthard,
mea culpa, mea culpa - it is I. :-)
That's what one gets for a quick post without checking the facts.
Marienwerder came to be a part of the westernmost pocket (like a bulge
into the corridor) of the Regierungsbezirk Westpreussen in the
province of East Prussia from 1922-1939. I should know as my hometown
of Elbing was in the same territory but since Marienwerder was so far
into the middle of Westprussia I thought for sure it was cut off and
put into Poland.
Fred is...
Marienwerder (whose Polish name is Kwidzyn) belonged to West Prussia
before 1919. In the 19th century it was a capital city for a district
and a Regierungsbezirk. The latter comprised more-less the southern half
of W. Prussia. It may be interesting that the area around Marienwerder
(not the whole Reg.Bezirk but three districts only) didn't belong to
Poland before 1772 (as the rest of West Prussia) but to Prussia Proper
(formerly Ducal Prussia). Due to administrative regulations in 1815,
this region was incorporated into West Prussia while the formerly Polish
region of Ermland (around Allenstein /Olsztyn/) was included into East
Prussia (becoming a Catholic enclave in this Protestant province).
In Versailles, the Polish delegation claimed the entire province of West
Prussia but finally, as you know, the districts on the East bank of
Vistula remained part of Germany (which was however in accordance with
the ethnic criterion, as this region was German-speaking, with exception
of a small area around Stuhm). It was apparently to small to retain the
identity of the province of West Prussia so was incorporated to East
Prussia as its fourth Regierungsbezirk called "Westpreussen in
Ostpreussen". i don't remember what town was the capital of this Bezirk.
Of course after 1945 this entire region became part of Poland.
Regards
--
Lukasz Bielecki
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Ceterum censeo monarchiam esse restituendam....
As far as I know Marienwerder kept the seat of the government. But what
I would like to ask: You wrote that "this" region was German-speaking.
What was the official language, which was spoken in West-Prussia between
1772 and 1919 - Polish? Where there differences between different parts
of this province?
If there was a difference between the official and colloquial language
what was the latter one?
Regards,
Gunthard
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