Lachine massacre
Owen Berio
Please,
Does anyone have the names of the victims of the Lachine massacre?
Is there an account to the event (in English)?
Merci,
Owen
J-Roger Cloutier
ow...@theofficenet.com (Owen Berio) wrote:
Bonjour Owen,
Check the following for some answers:
http://www.geocities.com/sauvefamilyhistory/lachine.htm
Salut !
Roger
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McMasterville, QC
Recherche les Cloutier, Désilets et les Latendresse
Suzanne B Sommerville
You should try to locate list member Hélène Lamarche's article in _Mémoires
de la Société Généalogique Canadienne-Française_, Autumn of 1999. She has
rewritten "history" on this event. It seems Governor Frontenac and others
exaggerated the number killed in the hopes of arousing the French
authorities to send more troops to New France to fight the Iroquois. Most
prior historians have taken Frontenac's word as the definitive figure, his
or Vachon de Belmont, who said 600 were killed or taken. Hélène Lamarche
comments that there were two massacres that took place, the one at Lachine
and the one committed by commentators ever since.
Unfortunately, "disinformation" is not a phenomenon only of the present-day
administrators and governors.
Hélène's article traces the habitants of Lachine (population 375 in 1685)
through the property records, parish registers and other sources and
identifies most of those who can be identified. It's a wonderful article
and an excellent example of documented research. Even the list of 42
habitants identified by Girouard (1889) as dead or disappeared does not
hold up under her analysis, and she even concludes that not all possible
sources have yet been researched.
It is in French, but it really needs to be translated into English to reach
a wider audience.
Suzanne
Suzanne Boivin Sommerville
Michigan, USA
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Subject: Re: Lachine massacre
Hélène Lamarche
Earlier attempts to identify the victims of the Lachine 1689 raid such as
Désiré Girouard's list in Lake St. Louis Old and New Illustrated and
Cavelier de LaSalle. Montréal, Colombian Edition, Poirier, Bessette & Co.,
1893, were made from deduction based on incomplete sources. Most recent
information has been found in notarial and judiciary sources, which I have
not included here, but I will be quite happy to do so, on request.
Hélène Lamarche
From the Lachine church records, 20 habitants and 3 unknown soldiers were
officially buried in 1694. The bodies were found
a) in Lachine (present location from 12 to 23 avenue)
FAGUERET Jean unmarried; ex-soldier of Carignan
MICHAU Jean married to Marie Marchessault
MICHAU Pierre son of Jean and Marie Marchessault
BOUTIN Albert step-son of Michau
CHARMOIS Noël unmarried
DANIS André dit Larpenty soldier; married to Madeleine Barbary
b) Four mutilated bodies found near Fort Rolland (35th avenue)
CADIEU Marie married to André Canaple
Unnamed child probably Marie, daughter of Canaple
FILASTREAU Périnne married to Jean-Baptiste Davaux
Unnamed child probably a son of Davaux
Unnamed young man " said to be a soldier "
c) Found In Dorval East
CHARTIER René married to Louise Nepple
Unnamed son of René probably François, 16 years old
Unnamed son of René or daughter, Madeleine, 15 years old
Unnamed young slave " panis " or pawnee named Louis
d) Names added in the margin of the Church registry :" Vincent Alix dit
Larosée, his wife and some of their children "
ALIX Vincent ex-soldier of Carignan
PERRIN Marie Delphine wife of Alix
Unnamed child Anne-Catherine
Unnamed child Gabriel
Unnamed child Jean-Marie
e) Found in La Salle and buried on October 31st
BOURCIER Madeleine 11 months old; daughter of Jean Bourcier.
Unnamed SOLDIER killed on Aug. 6th
Unnamed SOLDIER killed on Aug. 6th
Vachon de Belmont's list
In addition to the Church records, other names are listed in Vachon de
Belmont's Histoire des guerres iroquoises, written c. 1698, first published
in 1840 by the Quebec Historical and Literary Society in Quebec; it included
a list of some 60 uncompletely indentified names. either killed or captured;
the list, omitted from the 1840 edition, was first published by Désiré
Girouard, Supplément au "Lake St. Louis" &c., &c. d'après beaucoup de
documents inédits, Montréal, Poirier, Bessette et Cie, Imprimeurs-Éditeurs.
1900.
A careful study of the list indicates that was not made at random: victims
are listed from east to west, in an order that is much the same as the
Terrier (land record). Except for a few, the fate of most victims is
confirmed through other records. In the case of whole families where parents
and some siblings were killed or captured, one couls probably assume that
the surviving ones were also held in captivity for some time; more so, if
they are not mentionned in the 1692 confirmation records or the pious
confréries du Scapulaire ou du Saint Rosaire, in 1692 and 1694.
Victims listed on the Belmont's list, same as in the Register
Jean FAGUERET
Noël PLESSIS
The wife of CANAPLE Marie Cadieu
The wife of Simon DAVAUT Perrine Filiatrault
Vincent ALIX, his wife and children
René Chartier, his son and his daughter
Other families on the Belmont's list, not mentionned on the Register. Note
that the original list only gives the name of the father.
Davaut Simon, husband of Perrine Filastreau; prob. died in captivity.
Davaut François, son; captive freed c. 1700; died in Lachine 1705
Canaple André, husband of Marie Cadieu ; buried in Montreal, Aug. 10, 1689
" the wife of Chartier ": Louise Nepple, René Chartier's third wife, not to
be confused with Marguerite Delorme, died c. 1679).
" the wife of Perusseau ": Marie Leroy.
Jean Fournier, wounded by a gun shot and carried to the Montreal hospital;
died after 1695.
" Martin " unidentified. Could it be Marie Crispin, wife of Fournier ?
" Jean Barbary: read " Pierre " instead of Jean; died in captivity
Marie Lebrun his wife, died in captivity.
Barbary Françoise captive, remained with the Iroquois.
Barbary Marguerite captive, remained with the Iroquois.
Barbary Pierre captive; freed c. 1700; later married Francoise Paré.
Barbary Marie (Madeleine) wife of Pierre Jamme; freed c.1700.
Marchesseau Marie wife of Michau.
Prézot Michel presumed dead.
Chancy Marie, his wife, pregnant and killed.
? Prézot Madeleine born in 1685; not on Belmont's list
Reno Jean read :Jean Renou.
Alexandre ? prob. Treyard or Truiard.
Chateaudeau Mathias died in captivity.
Mouflet Anne, wife of Chatoudeau; in Lachine in 1692; remarried to René
Tsihene (an Iroquois) a.k.a. Massias.
Chateaudeau Jean, son, died in captivity.
Chateaudeau Étienne, son, died in Lachine in 1710.
André dit St-Michel, died in captivity.
Nadreau Françoise his wife; died in captivity.
André Marie daughter : died in captivity.
André Gertrude daughter; married to Fr. Philippon; died in captivity.
Philippon Marie daughter of Gertrude; died in captivity.
Philippon Louise Mad. daughter of Gertrude; married to André Scayanis in
174; not mentionned of her anywhere else.
André Pétronille. wife of Charles Beloncle; died in captivity
Beloncle Charles, died in captivity.
André Marguerite captive; redeemed by Jean Quenet in 1698; married 1701 to
François Vinet, in 1704 to J.B. Dubois
Perrin Barbe, wife of René Huguet; captive from 1689 to 1694
Huguet André, son, died in captivity before 1697
Huguet Anne-Françoise, daughter, captive, still living with the Iroquois in
the 1730's.
TESSIER Jacques (a.k.a. Pierre); made a will in 1690 in the Montreal
Hotel-Dieu.
GOYER Françoise, wife of Tessier, widow of Jean Cureau; prob. died in
captivity.
TESSIER Noël, son, born 1681; prob. died in captivity
TESSIER Jacques, son, born 1684 : prob. died in captivity
TESSIER Mathieu, son, born 1687 : prob. died in captivity
TESSIER Philippe, twin, born 1687 : prob. died in captivity
? Cureau Catherine; married in 1704 to Jos. Fleury; it is unknown whether
she and her brother were living with their step-father in Lachine, at that
time, and if they were captured with the rest of the family.
? Cureau Martin; same as above; married in 1713 to Mad. Cauchois.
? The " wife " of Noël "; this otherwise unidentified women could be
Madeleine Barbary, wife of André Danis dit Larpenty, killed at the same time
as Noel Charmois; Larpenty, a soldier and his wife could have been staying
with Charmois, an unmarried neighbor of the Barbary.
? Jean Paré, his 3 years old son; it is unclear wether it means Jean Paré
and his son, or the son of Jean Paré. Paré was in Lachine in 1690; one of
his sons died in the Montreal hospital, in 1698, could be the one held
captive until that date.
? Jean Roy, his 2 years old daughter; same as above. Roy was in Lachine in
the 1690's; his daughter Marie-Anne, born in 1686, has not been retraced.
Other victims, not on Belmont's list
Alix Suzanne, born in 1687; captive, freed in 1701; married to François
Desnoyers in 1722.
? Alix Marie, born 1679; no mention of her for some years;married to Simon
Guillory in 1696.
Gauthier Pierre captive from 1689 to 1698.
Roussel Charlotte wife of Gauthier; died in captivity.
Maupetit Pierre, married to Marie-Louise Beaune.
Mouflet Jean prob. died in captivity (father of Anne Mouflet).
Dodin Anne his wife; prob. died in captivity.
Mouflet Marguerite, daughter; prob. died in captivity.
Mouflet Ang.-Gabrielle daughter; prob. died in captivity.
? Mouflet Louis signed up as " voyageur " in 1690.
? Mouflet Marie married to François Meloche.
? Mouflet Suzanne married to Vincent Henri.
Dumans Jean married to Agathe Morin; presumed dead.
Hire ou Guire, Zacharie, probably. died in captivity.
Bourcier Jean, probably died in captivity.
Thibaudeau Marthe, his wife; probably died in captivity
Bourcier Élisabeth probably died in captivity.
? Bourcier Anne married in 1699 to Raphael Descent.
? Bourcier Alexandre voyageur; married to Jeanne Primot
? Bourcier Barbe married in 1703 to Jean Poineau.
? Bourcier Jeanne Catherine married in 1694 to Etienne Magdeleine dit
Ladouceur.
? Bourcier Jean.
Renault Antoine, corporal; he and his family were never retraced.
Gignard M-Madeleine, his wife, widow of Pierre Bonneau
Renault Marie Madeleine.daughter
Bonneau Pierre, child of Pierre Bonneau
Bonneau Marie-Barbe, child of Pierre Bonneau.
Nicolas Ozanne, married to Marie L'Homme; not traced after 1689.
Ozanne Jean, son of Nicolas Ozanne, presumed dead.
Ozanne Charles, same; presumed dead.
Killed in another Iroquois raid, June 1691
GOURDON Jean dit LaChasse married to Michelle Perrin
HUGUET René married to Barbe Perrin
GUIGNARD Jean dit l'Espérance unmarried
MARTIN Jean dit Latreille soldat
LA GIROFLÉE Joseph soldat
LAVIOLETTE Jean soldat
BLONDEAU Pierre dit La Jeunesse soldat
Correction to Désiré GIROUARD'S 1889 list:
Bory Laurent : died between 1687 and 1688
Lemerle d'Haultpré Marguerite, his wife; prob. returned in France after
1681; was dead in 1689.
Philippon François; has returned to France in 1688
Barbary Philippe : probably dead before the 1681 census
Bourcier Marguerite : probably dead before the 1681 census
Pichon Antoine dit Duvernay : dead before 1687
Michel Jean dit Jouqueau : widower of Jeanne André; remarried to Jeanne
Fleury Oct. 1689
André Philippe; 1695 signed up as voyageur
Morin Antoine; signed up as voyageur August 29 1689
Pérusseau Pierre (father) : sold his land in December 1689
Pérusseau Pierre (son); voyageur; engaged to be married in 1691; died the
same year.
Homo Louis; mentionned in documents after 1689.
Renusson Catherine; married to Gilles Gaudreau from Cap-St.Ignace, where she
died Nov. 22 1719
Hébert dit St-Martin, Étienne : died after 1695
Morin Jacques : died after 1698
Garnier Louise : wife of Morin not Jean Renou; died 1698
Thibaudeau Mathurin : father of Marthe Thibodeau; died before 1689
Avrard, Catherine : wifw of Thibodeau; last mentionned in the Quebec
hospital in 1690.
Suzanne B Sommerville
Please excuse the mis-typing. That should be 60.
"Little" mistakes like this . . .have larger consequences.
My apologies.
And thanks, Hélène, for the summary list from your research.
Hélène Lamarche
> Please, Does anyone have the names of the victims of the Lachine massacre?
Is there an account to the event (in English)?
I think I provided him with a satisfactory answer, at least to his first
question.
A mere acknowledgment, such as Merci/thank you - either openly or
privately - would have been appropriate, no ?
Hélène Lamarche
Cgrav...@aol.com
email is posted on that site and people can email me asking for some help.
It is amazing how few thank yous I get. Here recently I printed about 10
pages of information for a woman, MAILED them to her at my own expense and
then had to email her back and ask her if she got them. She said "oh, I
couldn't find your email address", course she found it to make the request in
the first place. Courtesy has always been important among genealogists and I
think we all need to continue insisting on it.
Cheryl
Jim Carten
thank-you's.....no more lookups. Live with it.
Ce que je fais est de prendre note de la personne..Liste Noire.....Pas de
"merci", pas de recherche. Vivre avec !
Jim Carten
"Hélène Lamarche" <ac...@videotron.ca> wrote in message
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Hélène Lamarche
Al is well that ...
HL
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Suzanne B Sommerville
Earlier this month someone posted the following request:
> Please, Does anyone have the names of the victims of the Lachine
massacre?
Is there an account to the event (in English)?
I think I provided him with a satisfactory answer, at least to his first
question.
A mere acknowledgment, such as Merci/thank you - either openly or
privately - would have been appropriate, no ?
Hélène Lamarche<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Agreed, Hélène. I know exactly what you mean. I, at least, thanked you
for your excellent work and the summary list of names you sent, but then my
mother always told me to say please and thank-you.
Owen Berio
suspended from this list (see below). It seems my e-mail address had been
hi-jacked and used by a third party. It was more than just this list that
was transgressed but my Internet provider and other persons whom I have no
knowledge . For the past few days I have been responding to indignant
persons who received pornographic SPAM where my e-mail address was used
fraudulently as the "sender".
Although I faithfully use a virus protection program I will purge my
e-mail files, made amends with my provider and filed a complaint with the
Washington Attorney Generals Office. I hope by purging I will remove any
possibility of this happening again. If I have failed to apologize to any
member on this list who
replied to my query I am now thanking you for your kind responses and
apologize for my unintended bad manners.
Owen
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Denis Beauregard
soc.genealogy.french:
>Hello my first ancestor to arrive came on the Aigle D,or as a member of the Salieres Carignan regiment.I was told verbally that he remained in Lachine but have not seen his name on any of the Massacre Lists.......name was Jean Vincent Chamaillard.......are you aware if he would be on any existing lists of prisoners taken by the
Mohawks
From my database:
http://www.francogene.com/genealogie-quebec-genealogy/001/001826.php
[1826] CHAMAILLARD, Vincent (Jean & Françoise RENARD [2810]), soldier
(La Freydière company, regiment of Carignan) (cs 179.08, 255.02)
(soldat (compagnie La Freydière, régiment de Carignan) (cs 179.08,
255.02)), born about 1646 (census 1681) or 1640 (burial 1688)
Remeneuil com Usseau (Vienne : 86275) (AGCF (3) 5), dead 1688-11-13,
buried 1688-11-15 Lachine (PRDH-RAB)
Denis
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Guyanne Sauvé
I am the 6th great granddaughter of Marie Renée Michel dit Michau and Pierre Francois Sauvé dit Laplante and this information is very helpful. I had heard that Marie Renée Michel dit Michau had died in 1745 in Ste Anne de Bellevue, but was then interred under a different name (Marie Lefevbre?) by curé Deperet although I am unsure if this is accurate.
I've also heard (again, unsubstantiated, only family history passed word of mouth) that Marie Renée's mother, my 7th great grand mother , Marie Marchesseault, was a Fille du Roi. Further research is required, but so far, it is a very interesting history!
